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dejavu2003 2006-8-22 23:21
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-8-20 01:51 PM µoªí
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ºô ¤Í ¦³ ¿³ ½ì ¥i ¥H ¤À ¬q ¶R ¤J ¹ê ª÷ ¹ê »È, ª÷ ¹ô, ª÷ ±ø ,»È ±ø/¹ô.....
¤d ¬è ø ¦n ª£ ÉÓ ®i.....· °ª ®ö «æ.....¤@ ±ß ÀH ®É ¥i ¯à call ´X ¦¸ ... [/quote]
ª£ ÉÓ ®i vs. ¶R ¤J ¹ê ª÷ ¹ê »È, ª÷ ¹ô, ª÷ ±ø ,»È ±ø/¹ô are two different ball games. The former is for investors/speculators while the latter is for ¤ûÀY¨¤¶¶·A¡CIf one is so scared of margin trading on gold/silver, one should stay out of this game altogether. Buying ¹ê ª÷ ¹ê »È, ª÷ ¹ô, ª÷ ±ø ,»È ±ø/¹ô is not a viable investment. Bank charges you over 5% spread for smaller denomination gold coins and around 1.5% for gold bars. This is a good way of making the bank rich.
On the other hand, gold margin trading has a spread of 80c per T. Oz or lower which is around 0.125%. If margin call is a concern, then put in 100% margin. After all, you pay 100% for buying ¹ê ª÷ ¹ê »È, ª÷ ¹ô, ª÷ ±ø ,»È ±ø/¹ô anyway.
My advice is, if you are scared, just stay out of this trade. DO NOT buy physical gold/silver bar/coins. You have no obligation to make the bank rich.
kfc999 2006-8-23 12:49
trading ¹ê ª÷ ¹ê »È should use ETF.
QQQQQ 2006-8-23 14:53
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[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]dejavu2003[/i] ©ó 2006-8-22 03:21 PM µoªí
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ALeung 2006-8-23 16:01
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]QQQQQ[/i] ©ó 2006-8-23 06:53 AM µoªí
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dejavu2003 2006-8-23 17:55
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-8-23 07:50 AM µoªí
§Æ ±æ ©ß ¿j ¤Þ ¥É.........:verygood:
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I was talking about the two different instruments to speculate on gold. My advice was, if you really need to buy physical gold for fear of margin call in the case of margin trading, your alternative is to buy the same amount of gold using 100% margin but using the instrument called "margin trading". If you want to buy 25 T Oz of physical gold, you need to put up $623 X 25 = $15,375 plus whatever extra spread the bank charges you. Alternatively, you can buy 25 T Oz of gold using so-called Margin Trading, but put in $15,375 margin. You don't get margin call. You trade exactly how you want to trade as if you had bought physical gold. So does it make it any riskier than physical gold????? In the end, you are only paying 0.125% on the buy/sell spread (plus a little interest spread of course).
My advice remains, if you want to invest in gold and buy physical gold bar/coins instead of margin gold because you are scared, forget it. This is not for you. Go do something else.
The only alternative that might be viable is to buy paper gold. The spread is probably less than 1%.
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ALeung 2006-8-24 11:28
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]dejavu2003[/i] ©ó 2006-8-23 09:55 AM µoªí
I was talking about the two different instruments to speculate on gold. My advice was, if you really need to buy physical gold for fear of margin call in the case of margin trading, your alt ... [/quote]
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¦] 540.- ¦n §Ö ¤S ¼u ¤W 670.....??
ËÝ §A ¤S ¯à §_ ±± ¨î ¨ì Ó timing ???
I am sorry you have not answered my above questions concerning :-
" risks managements "....and the "timing "
when you are doing margin tradings,
so will make no further response to your post.
[size=5]¦U ¦ì ºô ¤Í ¤§ ²´ ´¸ ¬O ³· «G ªº[/size]...:soldier:
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dejavu2003 2006-8-24 18:54
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-8-24 03:28 AM µoªí
...............................................................
¥Ñ 700 ¶R ¤W ¦ý ¤µ ¦¸ ½Õ ¾ã ®ö ¨ì 540.- ¬O §_ ¤w ¸g n ¤î »k ¦n ´X ¦¸ ?
©Î ªÌ §A ¥i ¥H Á¿ §A ø ¤ñ §Ú 700.- ¶R ¸¨....ËÝ ¨ì 540. ... [/quote]
You failed to understand a simple analogy of the risk factor between the two. You just assumed that if you buy physical gold/silver, you have a less risk.
If you don't understand margin trading or haven't done it before, that's fine. Just don't recommend people to buy gold coin/bar.
I have done both, and still licking my wound with my silver bars that are underneath my bed.
ALeung 2006-8-24 20:10
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]dejavu2003[/i] ©ó 2006-8-24 10:54 AM µoªí
You failed to understand a simple analogy of the risk factor between the two. You just assumed that if you buy physical gold/silver, you have a less risk.
If you don't understand margin tra ... [/quote]
[color=Blue]Sorry to know you are the one that failed in this transation, as you are still licking your
wound for the silver bars that you are now holding. Good luck to you .
Certainly "timing" is the most important factor !!
I am certain, we are having completely different kinds of concepts for the investments/
speculations on physical gold/silver and the contract tradings.
With much luck, my physical gold/silver bars/coins accumulating from 2003 ,although
facing a lot of corrections, still making a handsome profit !![/color]
..
dejavu2003 2006-8-24 20:27
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-8-24 12:10 PM µoªí
Sorry to know you are the one that failed in this transation, as you are still licking your
wound for the silver bars that you are now holding. Good luck to you .
Certainly "timing" ... [/quote]
Let me put this in simple english.
Investor S (stands for stupid) has $100K and he put it into gold coins (or ª÷¤ú,ª÷§Ù¤l)¡AHe pays a stupid amount of charges to the bank.
Investor T (stands for thrifty) also has $100K and he goes for gold margin but only long $100K worth of gold. He pays enough margin or even the full $100K to ensure there's no margin call.
Scenario 1 - Gold price rises and both sell at the same price. Investor S makes money if he's lucky enough that the profits covers the exorbitant charges. Investor T makes money less the 0.125% spread.
Scenario 2 - Gold price falls and both cut loss. Investor loses money in addition to the exorbitant charges the bank charges him. Investor T loses money and in addition loses the 0.125% spread.
So, what has risk management to do with it. Does that mean holder of physical gold needs less risk management?
My wound was when I was a S investor in 1979 or 80 when physical silver is the only way to invest in silver. By licking my wound, I don't mean resenting losing money, but resenting being a stupid investor by paying Johson Mathey 7% premium over the market price. Over the years when I tried to sell, I couldn't find a taker, or someone who wants to discount 7% from the market price to take my silver bar. Isn't this stupid enough?
I have done extremely well with my gold margin over the years, thank you. It's not about whether you make money or lose money because you may read the market wrong. You could have made much more (or lose less), with the same amount of risk.
Other brothers, please DO NOT BUY PHYSICAL BULLION. If you are scared, do something else.
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V.V 2006-8-25 10:56
first drop to 580 and then 780~~
ALeung 2006-8-25 16:22
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the purchase power of your money. The Federal Reserve cannot inflate
away the purchase power of gold, and ...[/color][color=Red]that knowledge comes peace of mind,
which is the most important object of any investment strategy. :verygood:
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bokzang 2006-8-25 17:24
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uknowzip 2006-8-27 11:40
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]bokzang[/i] ©ó 2006-8-25 05:24 PM µoªí
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Sounds good... I am loaded with resources
frogc 2006-9-1 00:16
Gold will hit $800 within 1 year. Major reason - reserve diversification by central banks of oil producers (russia, middle east) and China and India. The central banks have to diversify from just holding US treasuries because they know that the federal reserve is trying to devalue the USD to help finance the US deficit.
KFC_HK 2006-9-1 21:49
bought most of my stuffs @ around $350 and held till now. I think you should always keep about 10% of your portfolio in gold. It is a hedge against stagflation / hyperinflation -- the economic data / trend now looks pretty similar to that of early 70's and gold sky-rocketed during the 70s.
Having said that it is not without risk -- the major central banks are still having a big stock of gold and each of them can sell about 500 tons to 600 tons per year based on the Washington agreement. I can't remember the exact figures but roughly speaking out of about 60,000 tons mined gold in the world, there is roughly 20,000 - 25,000 tons held in central banks (US / Germany / Switzerland being the biggest holders) and the rest is held by private investors / collectors. Draw your own conclusions.
My feeling is that long term I am bullish, and comparing to HKD / USD, there should be no match. Whether it can outperform good blue chip stocks is another story.
ALeung 2006-9-4 15:24
[color=Blue]Back to fundamentals.........
All fundamentals break the charts,
the charts never break the fundamentals.
Gold/silver are honest money, they never cheat you now, before or in future.
All the other currencies are on the levels for how much and what percentages
they are cheating you....................
as the more they are printing out the bigger will be the percentage !!
...[/color]
xxecon 2006-9-10 12:28
I am not an expert but when u look into the US deficits u will believe the dollar should disappear.
fwu19 2006-9-10 12:45
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Xylitol 2006-9-10 23:56
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uknowzip 2006-9-11 01:14
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]Xylitol[/i] ©ó 2006-9-10 11:56 PM µoªí
¤j®a³£¸Ü¥þ·|¤É¡A¬O¤£¬O¸Ü¬ü¤¸·|¶^¡H [/quote]
The greenback has already dropped against the gold... and other resource oriented currencies such as CDN...
fwu19 2006-9-11 08:17
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ALeung 2006-9-28 15:08
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¥u ¦³ ¤j ¥« ¦Û ¤w ¸Ü ¤ñ §A ª¾......:applause:
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peninsula 2006-9-28 15:17
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-9-27 11:08 PM µoªí
ªo »ù, ª÷ »ù......¬ü ¤¸ ¥å ¦³ ²o ¤Þ....
·í ªo »ù ¥ø ©w.....ª÷ »ù ¥ç ¦³ ªí ¥Ü.....
¤µ ¤é ¥ø ¦b 600 ¤W ± ¤T ¤é ´N ·| ½T »{ ¦^ ¤É,
¤U ¤@ ½ü ¤É ´T ¥h ¨ì Ãä..........¦ô ¤£ ¨ì..........:wondering:
¥u ... [/quote]
So you think gold will start to move up again?:o:hamsup::lookaround::dizzy:
ALeung 2006-9-28 15:23
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]peninsula[/i] ©ó 2006-9-28 07:17 AM µoªí
So you think gold will start to move up again?:o:hamsup::lookaround::dizzy: [/quote]
[color=Blue]so the trend just like that....:givemefive:
follow the trend is the most easy way ! :lol
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peninsula 2006-9-28 15:47
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-9-28 03:23 PM µoªí
so the trend just like that....:givemefive:
follow the trend is the most easy way ! :lol
[/quote]
Good because I have LONG positions on Gold and gold-related stocks.:):L:soldier::lookaround:
ALeung 2006-9-28 23:45
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]peninsula[/i] ©ó 2006-9-28 07:47 AM µoªí
Good because I have LONG positions on Gold and gold-related stocks.:):L:soldier::lookaround: [/quote]
[color=Blue]If you have held solid gold for more than 2-3 years....
you are no need to worry about the corrections....
gold-related stocks in China are very risky, so be careful !!
Because they will face many risks...in production...in management.....particularly for new regulations/rules
from the central government.
We are all living in an uncertain world, nothing can be proved to be certain !
p.s. it looks gold is going very fast today :lol
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The two I could think off my head are 2899 and 3330. If anyone know any other ones I would like to know too:)
vadar 2006-9-30 07:32
I am not an expert, but I think it will remain at this level till the end of the year
peninsula 2006-9-30 08:37
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]leoxi[/i] ©ó 2006-9-29 11:17 PM µoªí
The two I could think off my head are 2899 and 3330. If anyone know any other ones I would like to know too:) [/quote]
That's it for HK-listed gold-related stocks. Both are H stocks and have operations in China. :verygood::):applause:
peninsula 2006-9-30 08:40
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-9-28 11:45 PM µoªí
If you have held solid gold for more than 2-3 years....
you are no need to worry about the corrections....
gold-related stocks in China are very risky, so be careful !!
Because they will fac ... [/quote]
Have physical and passbook gold, #2899, long positions, 1 Australian gold stock etc. All OK except #2899. So you are right, PRC resources stocks can be dangerous. :):lol
ALeung 2006-10-8 16:07
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]peninsula[/i] ©ó 2006-9-30 12:40 AM µoªí
Have physical and passbook gold, #2899, long positions, 1 Australian gold stock etc. All OK except #2899. So you are right, PRC resources stocks can be dangerous. :):lol [/quote]
[color=Blue]The best of course to keep more physical.............
If it is possible try to swing to more physical from your passbook......
you must know [b]it might be happened in future[/b] that
physical gold price and passbook price may have a big difference.
Why ? because physical gold has a limited quantity......whereas paper
gold can have unlimited quantity just like numbers......catch it ??
As currently gold could not stand on 600.- just testing and re-testing......
let it to prove when they can make a breaking up or down.......
who knows ???:wondering: hahahahaha...:P
see the new chart below:-------[/color]
macaroni 2006-10-8 20:56
¦^´_ #33 Xylitol ªº©«¤l
yes
macaroni 2006-10-8 21:00
¦^´_ #41 hcc ªº©«¤l
870 116
peninsula 2006-10-8 21:09
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]macaroni[/i] ©ó 2006-10-8 09:00 PM µoªí
870 116 [/quote]
?? :wondering::wondering::saujai:
peninsula 2006-10-8 21:10
[quote]ì©«¥Ñ [i]ALeung[/i] ©ó 2006-10-8 04:07 PM µoªí
The best of course to keep more physical.............
If it is possible try to swing to more physical from your passbook......
you must know it might be happened in future that
physical gol ... [/quote]
OK - so will look out for weakness and stock up! :);P:lol:lookaround: