老江湖 2009-11-28 12:00
[quote]原帖由 [i]fatdragon0l0[/i] 於 2009-11-28 11:42 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9073046&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
熟女？請問有幾熟？我明天會去上海，我鐘意搵D中女玩，所以我想試下呢間場，不過如果系4，50歲既，甘就唔好啦:Q [/quote]
哈哈, 甘就唔會, 不過ching自己小心D, 有幾個bg會趁機屈你, 最好事先同客服講清楚.
小婷有個中女小夢幾好, 不妨一試~
老江湖 2009-11-28 17:17
[quote]原帖由 [i]mongering[/i] 於 2009-11-21 12:19 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9003443&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I tried xiao ting's QQ: 736#970#2 and was sent a girl in 40 mins. start off, I asked her what is the drill, she said just normal massage, nothing else. then next is the usual, until she started to pl ... [/quote]
FS depends on individual bgs. basically on-call masseuse does not provide such service. those who are willing to do are their own behavior which their agent doesn't concern with.
[quote]原帖由 [i]auriga00[/i] 於 2009-11-25 02:04 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9037966&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
For situation like this, usually the next step BG would propose is: none of us have FS, but since you're "really special and attractive", I'll offer you such service at XXXX (of course much higher ... [/quote]
not usually happens in sh. there's a market price at 7~800, and most of all 1k for add-on FS during on-call massage.
老江湖 2009-11-28 17:38
在上海好幾天了, 仍是不停出貨, 補回幾天包膠:
第一天剛到步, 晚上才有飯局, 心癢癢call小婷, 說要給我磨練一下她一位新人~
mm很年輕, 20才, 大概164, 北京人, 叫秦琴; 是靚麗清純那種, 皮膚頗白, 小家碧玉的樣子, 初看就印象挺好.:loveeyes:
開始推背, 可以感覺是剛學的, 但很用心, 按到一些位置, 只要我發出些聲音, 她就急忙問是否按疼了, 哈哈, 很可愛~
這mm很溫柔, 話不多, 態度蠻好, 讓人有點我愛猶憐之感.
到正面, 按摩的治療型//挑逗型/舒緩型她是屬於後者; 到重頭戲時, 感覺甚high, 此時可顧不得要憐了, 馬上伸手全面加深感覺 :lol , 33B彈性十足, 手感一流, mm開始有點閃躲, 經過一輪上攻下陷, mm也進入狀況, 臉熱氣喘, 全身放軟讓我為所欲為 :applause:
經過調教, 此囡開放度頗高, 配合良好, 雖然骨技有待改進, 仍值一試~~再試! :P
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ItchyBitchy 2009-11-28 23:19
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Old River Lake, what's the name of the new MM?
老江湖 2009-11-29 00:34
[quote]原帖由 [i]ItchyBitchy[/i] 於 2009-11-28 23:19 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9079018&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Old River Lake, what's the name of the new MM? [/quote]
qin gin 秦琴, from beijing. just got her pic showing figure from xiao ting.
老江湖 2009-11-29 04:16
上次試了個agent優優安排的小可愛, 剛剛優優又推薦了個靚女, 172cm! 真正model身材, 但是豐滿均勻, 有波有蘿, 而且很漂亮, 應該是老江湖試過的上門技師三甲之內!
這個甜甜笑容確實甜, 很文靜, 長腿線條真美, 有如此樣貌身材而來當技師會讓人覺得很訝異, 原來是要賺快錢, 但又不願賣身.
按摩推油ISO不偷懶, 全程很愉快, 光是欣賞她的美貌身材就值回票價, 可以想像是香港小姐替你服務, 過癮!
事後問了優優拿甜甜的照片以饕大眾~
Arrock 2009-11-29 10:01
wow... 甜甜 is very hot.. do you have agent's number?
老江湖 2009-11-29 10:42
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wow... 甜甜 is very hot.. do you have agent's number? [/quote]
please refer to pg.51, 1525#
Arrock 2009-11-29 13:40
thanks ljw..
any chances to try FS from xiaoting's girl, yangyang? not sure if she provides that..
long_dum 2009-11-29 21:22
淨係見到甜甜的相都的衝動啦,,:hamsup::loveeyes:真係好正喎......:verygood:
fairview 2009-11-29 23:36
need to try 甜甜 in my next trip la:clap:
老江湖 2009-11-30 03:23
[size=4][size=3][color=#000000][font=Arial][font=新細明體]已經有幾位[/font][/font][font=Arial]ching[/font][font=Arial][font=新細明體]試左甜甜[/font][/font][font=Arial], [/font][font=Arial][font=新細明體]點解唔見有人出包膠[/font][/font][font=Arial]?[/font][/color][/size]
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[color=#000000][size=3][font=Arial][font=新細明體]優優話好多謝大家捧場[/font][/font][font=Arial], [/font][font=Arial][font=新細明體]整多幾張佢地[/font][/font][font=Arial]bg[/font][font=Arial][font=新細明體]既身材相[/font][/font][font=Arial], [/font][font=Arial][font=新細明體]希望繼續幫襯[/font][/font][color=black][font=細明體]喎~[/font][/color][/size][/color][font=Arial][/font]
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fairview 2009-11-30 07:07
look good wor:loveeyes:
daben 2009-11-30 09:42
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kfiend 2009-11-30 14:36
小弟也是剛搬到上海工作，很高興有各位大大分享經驗及資訊。
希望小弟也能多點報告和分享吧！
superpotato 2009-11-30 15:05
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哗, 多谢那麽多照片分享, 有排唔得闲
By the way, I have tried 韩雪, 好girlfirend feel, 好温柔体贴, 系一种同佢一齐, 好舒服的感觉. 是较另类的享受
kfiend 2009-11-30 16:15
感謝各位大大，小弟剛打給優優安排，晚一點報告！:handshake
kfiend 2009-11-30 17:53
報告：甜甜
19歲 江蘇人
高172cm 不肥不瘦骨肉均秤
手法中上，有力
很會笑，亦笑得很甜，無改錯名
小弟第一次報告，寫得唔好，請多多見諒。
感謝老江湖師兄推介。
hh_123456789 2009-12-1 12:21
小弟過2天到Shanghai 了, 有沒有推介好BGs的....第一次去, 所以想搵幾個好D, 試下~
回來之後出Report!
long_dum 2009-12-1 20:57
[quote]原帖由 [i]老江湖[/i] 於 2009-11-30 03:23 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9092553&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
已經有幾位ching試左甜甜, 點解唔見有人出包膠?
優優話好多謝大家捧場, 整多幾張佢地bg既身材相, 希望繼續幫襯喎~
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弊, 的鼻血流到一枱都係添....:lol:lol 最慘就係都唔知幾時先再去上海..:'(:'(
mongering 2009-12-1 22:42
share some experience with agent Tel: 1#76467##19 QQ: 4#6909##.
Used twice, contacted through QQ.
first time, the lady was really nice and we had good conversation. she stayed more than 2 and half hour, and we had the full service. she gives actually not bad a massage, aid she was trained for two months and gives massage also as part-time job. however, her skills besides massage can not be much complimented, despite her effort to please. for me, I really liked the altitude, but she was a fat type, not bad at all, just not to my taste.
second time, asked for a thin one. she has really nice body. the massage is not that good, but the rest service was quite nice and pleasing, for which one can see the effort to please. but she was in such a rush to get things done, that I can clearly feel it. which pissed me off a bit. total damage 700 rmb + taxi (btw, she keeps the taxi receipt in case you want to see).
However, the most interesting part is not the girls, but the agent. she actually called me afterwards on both accounts to seek my opinions, and we had pleasant conversation over QQ. I rather appreciate her effort to make a good business.
before this, I actually tried 小婷's girl. and was quite disappointed with the skills and altitude. maybe just my bad luck that day, and the agent does not seem to care about, just did her dispatch work.
anyway, just my small samples. if you want to give her a try, feel free to mention being introduced by 松树.
Sing 2009-12-1 23:32
[quote]原帖由 [i]老江湖[/i] 於 2009-11-29 04:16 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9082255&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
上次試了個agent優優安排的小可愛, 剛剛優優又推薦了個靚女, 172cm! 真正model身材, 但是豐滿均勻, 有波有蘿, 而且很漂亮, 應該是老江湖試過的上門技師三甲之內!
這個甜甜笑容確實甜, 很文靜, 長腿線條真美, 有如 ... [/quote]
相當吸引呀:applause:
atcf 2009-12-2 01:00
thanks for your information! :P
老江湖 2009-12-2 01:05
[quote]原帖由 [i]mongering[/i] 於 2009-12-1 22:42 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9109118&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
share some experience with agent Tel: 1#76467##19 QQ: 4#6909##.
Used twice, contacted through QQ.
first time, the lady was really nice and we had good conversation. she stayed more than 2 and h ... [/quote]
agent 心緣 is very considerated. one of my favorite. but 小婷 has been very aggressive and amiable as well. i believe she was just too busy that she didn't cast you an after-service interview. btw, which bg from her served you that bad?
hh_123456789 2009-12-2 12:19
[quote]原帖由 [i]老江湖[/i] 於 2009-12-2 01:05 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9111221&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
agent 心緣 is very considerated. one of my favorite. but 小婷 has been very aggressive and amiable as well. i believe she was just too busy that she didn't cast you an after-service interview. btw ... [/quote]
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airtrain 2009-12-2 20:33
thanks all brothers who contribute their valuable info in this thread, especially [size=11.5pt][color=#000000]老江湖 dai lo ![/color][/size]
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[size=11.5pt][color=#000000]tried [size=12pt]甜甜 and she is really good looking - young and slim and tall ! [/size][/color][/size][size=11.5pt][color=#000000]
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[size=11.5pt][color=#000000][size=12pt]Her massage is good enough in terms of out-call (don't and cannot expect what you find in vegie massage in HK). (her birthday is 10th Dec (next thursday)... any brother still in SH next week can try to get her out for a dinner and should have a good dating feel ...)
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[size=11.5pt][color=#000000][size=12pt]Her skills in soft touching the balls and bags are OK (seems she is not yet skillful enough to do that ... but that indicates she is still fresh in this subject which i found "good" !!)[/size][/color][/size]
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[size=11.5pt][color=#000000][size=12pt]FS finally but she is[size=12pt] [/size]asking for 2k and she does not offer that package too often... final deal close at 1,X00+100 taxi. (I found it worthwhile as it is not so easy to find such quality girl in HK).[/size][/color][/size]
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airtrain 2009-12-2 20:41
[size=11.5pt][color=#000000]by the way, 韓雪 has returned to hometown when i called [size=12pt]心[/size][font=SimSun][size=12pt]緣 last night ... miss the chance trying ah [font=MS Mincho]雪 ![/font][/size][/font][/color][/size]
airtrain 2009-12-2 20:52
if brothers going to Beijing, can also try a girl called 婷婷 (agent being 芳芳) ... very very good body shape and beautiful .... fs also possible but again also very expensive !
hotman1999 2009-12-3 08:39
brother,
what is the contact in Beijing? I will be in SH and Beijing next week..
ItchyBitchy 2009-12-3 17:16
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Also tried 甜甜. Massage good for new person, what comes after is even better. No FS but good enough. Im a sucker for long legs and long hair and moody eyes. With the right touches she can be place in the right (and wet) mood for more.
公子日記 2009-12-5 02:32
thanks for sharing..but too far
hotman1999 2009-12-6 14:45
I think my trip to Shanghai this week " 甜甜" is the must try item!
hotman1999 2009-12-7 00:36
甜甜 report
I tried 甜甜 10 mins ago and but i am not sure 優優 really ask 甜甜 to come or not. for example:
1) she said she is najing people
2) she is 172cm tall
3) she is not smiling all the times at the beginning
However after warm up she is really interesting and she told me she knew strip dance .....
Brothers, do you think I try real " 甜甜" or not?
her outlook really looks like traditional China girl...
clac 2009-12-7 00:52
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報告：甜甜
19歲 江蘇人
高172cm 不肥不瘦骨肉均秤
手法中上，有力
很會笑，亦笑得很甜，無改錯名
小弟第一次報告，寫得唔好，請多多見諒。
感謝老江湖師兄推介。 [/quote]
請問老江湖甜甜是江蘇人還是南京人? 我星期六找甜甜, 優優本來說甜甜有空, 後來又說要等三個鐘, 之後[甜甜]打給我說現在可以來, 來到真的是高妹, 樣子也不錯, 但是沒有ching們說的那麼好, 感覺跟照片有點不同(看不到樣子), 應該不會入你的三甲吧, 而且這裏ching說是江蘇人,我覺得是不是優優找了其他技師敷衍我.
hh_123456789 2009-12-7 12:41
[quote]原帖由 [i]clac[/i] 於 2009-12-7 00:52 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9161436&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
請問老江湖甜甜是江蘇人還是南京人? 我星期六找甜甜, 優優本來說甜甜有空, 後來又說要等三個鐘, 之後[甜甜]打給我說現在可以來, 來到真的是高妹, 樣子也不錯, 但是沒有ching們說的那麼好, 感覺跟照片有點不同(看 ... [/quote]
[color=#000000][size=12pt]我和你一樣[/size][size=12pt]……[/size][size=12pt]上星期試左[/size][size=12pt], [/size][size=12pt]但我唔知佢係唔係真[/size][size=12pt]甜甜[/size][size=12pt], [/size][size=12pt]因為佢話自己係南京人[/size][size=12pt], [/size][size=12pt]而且同我按摩果個話自己[/size][size=12pt]4/12 [/size][size=12pt]生日[/size][size=12pt], [/size][size=12pt]明顯同上面果個[/size][size=12pt]10/12[/size][size=12pt]的不同[/size][size=12pt]….[/size][/color]
[color=#000000][size=12pt][size=12pt]我之後有時間會[/size][size=12pt]report [/size][size=12pt]其他技師[/size][size=12pt]…[/size][/size][/color]
airtrain 2009-12-7 17:28
some clarification - nanjing is a city in Jiangsu ... so, her place of birth should not be contradicting. Birthday being 4 Dec or 10 Dec... one of us must be wrong! (but also, in China, they count their age when they are not yet born ... so, when coming out from their mum....they are already 1 year old .... therefore, [size=12pt][color=#000000]甜甜 said that she will be 20 in coming birthday, she is actully 19 in our scale). W[/color][/size]hen we start, she is also cool. China girl ... it is the problem, some brother found a gal beautiful may not be the cup of tea for another one .... but i guess we will not argue if you see a girl like [size=12pt][color=#000000]甜甜 on the street, you will want to try her ... just that it is too easy (when you can buy her with $$), you may not get the surprise when she is doing massage (and ...) with you ![/color][/size]
mongering 2009-12-7 20:55
I also tried tiantian. nice body and your next-door-girl look. enjoy talking, really like a little cute sister. she is from town belongs to nanjing, but not in nanjing city strictly.
anyway, glad to see her and we had really nice talk throughout, although she said she did not do FS. either not in the mood that day, or I am not her type.
hotman1999 2009-12-8 00:06
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if brothers going to Beijing, can also try a girl called 婷婷 (agent being 芳芳) ... very very good body shape and beautiful .... fs also possible but again also very expensive ! [/quote]
Brother, you have the agent number of 芳芳? I will be in beijing tomorrow and also want to try her..
I met with 韩雪 again and she just back from home town.. another wonderful night with her~~
fzwy 2009-12-8 11:46
好精彩的上海按摩報告啊，多謝師兄分享。
老江湖 2009-12-8 11:52
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請問老江湖甜甜是江蘇人還是南京人? 我星期六找甜甜, 優優本來說甜甜有空, 後來又說要等三個鐘, 之後[甜甜]打給我說現在可以來, 來到真的是高妹, 樣子也不錯, 但是沒有ching們說的那麼好, 感覺跟照片有點不同(看 ... [/quote]
多謝airtrain ching解釋了南京就是江蘇的城市, 而且是該省省會, 所以並無誤會; 南京人向來自視甚高, 初見冷面甚至黑面亦平常; 老江湖才疏識淺, 閱歷有限, 甜甜並非本人的三甲, 只是本人見過的上海上門骨女一兩百人中認為的三甲, 各花入各眼, 這樣高度身材樣貌, 確實不多, 終究260賣力賣相賣藝已是不錯, 要是各方面條件都很好, 就已選華姐或是進入演藝界了.
甜甜四號或是十號生日的問題, 可能是發音相似而其中ching聽錯, 實際上她是五號生日的, 哈哈~
這囡素質頗高, 也真正學過跳舞, 會來幾下strip dance亦合理; 順道一提, 甜甜曾專職幫MU空姐按摩SPA, 手藝有一定水準, 也可能ching各人對手法要求不同, 難滿足所有人喜好.
問過優優, 確實只派ching指定的技師, 絕無冒名頂替之事.
hh_123456789 2009-12-8 12:21
[quote]原帖由 [i]老江湖[/i] 於 2009-12-8 11:52 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9176087&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
多謝airtrain ching解釋了南京就是江蘇的城市, 而且是該省省會, 所以並無誤會; 南京人向來自視甚高, 初見冷面甚至黑面亦平常; 老江湖才疏識淺, 閱歷有限, 甜甜並非本人的三甲, 只是本人見過的上海上門骨女一兩百 ... [/quote]
Thank you 老江湖!!
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[size=3][color=#000000]不過我幾肯定她當時是跟我說她是[font=Calibri]’[/font]明天生日的[font=Calibri]’, [/font]所以才覺得有奇怪[font=Calibri]!! [/font][/color][/size]
[color=#000000][font=Calibri][size=3]哈哈~~不過都不是重點吧~最重要是玩得開心~[/size]
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hotman1999 2009-12-8 18:21
thanks 老江湖 and we just want to make sure no more cheating from agent.. :)
she said she wants to start her own business with this...
老江湖 2009-12-9 00:15
[quote]原帖由 [i]hotman1999[/i] 於 2009-12-8 18:21 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9179651&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
thanks 老江湖 and we just want to make sure no more cheating from agent.. :)
she said she wants to start her own business with this... [/quote]
優優 had been a masseuse in a vegi sauna and has been doing customer service job for almost a year. i think she is qualified to run an on-call massage center.
sxhk 2009-12-9 03:18
Like to confirm with Chings about the price.
My understanding by reading this topic: basic 260+taxi; bm 400+taxi; fs 800~1200 + taxi?
Do you get charge more if you can the gal to a 5-star vs 3-star hotel?
老江湖 2009-12-10 00:31
[quote]原帖由 [i]sxhk[/i] 於 2009-12-9 03:18 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9185968&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Like to confirm with Chings about the price.
My understanding by reading this topic: basic 260+taxi; bm 400+taxi; fs 800~1200 + taxi?
Do you get charge more if you can the gal to a 5-star vs 3-st ... [/quote]
taxi fare added if service after 10pm or you request masseuse to arrive asap.
basic+hj 260; basic+bm 400(not every bg does); basic+fs 800(not every bg does and pls don't pay more than this unless bg is much worthy)
same price even service at palace
above mentioned are market rules yet some have their own services & charges
sxhk 2009-12-10 04:58
Thanks. That's what I thought.
sxhk 2009-12-10 05:16
Too bad I didn't see your post #1540. Could have saved myself some time to try tian tian...:oh::oh:
老江湖 2009-12-10 09:54
[quote]原帖由 [i]sxhk[/i] 於 2009-12-10 05:16 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9197181&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Too bad I didn't see your post #1540. Could have saved myself some time to try tian tian...:oh:h:" />:oh:h:" /> [/quote]
do you mean #1556 regarding 甜甜? and #1555 秦琴 "behaves" much better now. have tried again :verygood:
hh_123456789 2009-12-10 14:54
[quote]原帖由 [i]老江湖[/i] 於 2009-12-10 09:54 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9198026&ptid=128686][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
do you mean #1556 regarding 甜甜? and #1555 秦琴 "behaves" much better now. have tried again :verygood: [/quote]
秦琴 我果日試左, 同意她是有心機的BGs...although 技術不是最好~~
而且人好甜, 不錯不錯~~~~~
原本想試小張, 不過原來已經圖有做!!!
fattykingk 2009-12-10 23:08
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她是有心機的BGs mean (意思是什么)?