violetblue 2007-10-3 09:05
SOHO一手中籤率傳60%
超過50萬人追捧，凍資2,200億元的SOHO中國（新上市編號：0410），消息指散戶一手中籤率達到60%，更只需認購2,000股（4手），即動用約1.7萬元便可穩獲一手，料將成為9月以來最易抽的新股。 網龍最快月中招股 集資8億 另外，繼大昌行（新上市編號：1828）後，今年首隻公開發售的創業板新股將接力招股。內地網上遊戲商網龍（NetDragon）最快於月中招股，集資1億美元（約7.8億港元），保薦人為貝爾斯登。 集資最多128.6億元，發行15.49億股的SOHO，由於超購逾100倍從而啟動回撥機制，把公開發售比例由10%大幅提升至50%，遂令其「易抽度」提升。雖然回撥機制令國際配售比例由90%降至50%，但不少機構性投資者表示其獲分配比率不俗，可說皆大歡喜。 群星掛牌升6成 一手賺3230元 昨日掛牌的群星紙業（3868），全日最高曾見10.28元，即較5.35元招股價高92%，收報8.58元，升幅大幅收窄至60%，成交15.1億元。若不計手續費，散戶每手帳面賺3,230元，位列今年最賺錢新股第6位。新疆新鑫礦業（新上市編號：3833）和波司登（新上市編號：3998）將於今日中午12點截止認購，兩者孖展金額最後分別錄得139.5億和39億元，即超購34.8倍和5倍。市場消息指，受到亞洲股市造好刺激，波司登國際配售認購金額倍增，超購逾50倍，波司登和新鑫均傾向以上限3.28元和6.5元定價。 至於明天掛牌的大成食品（新上市編號：3999），市場消息指，機構投資者間的暗盤價為3.4元，較招股價高17%。據悉，散戶一手中籤率為40%，申請1.4萬股（14手）者方可穩獲一手。
我申請咗 20手
唔知會中幾多手？？
Any meat to eat??
[[i] 本帖最後由 violetblue 於 2007-10-3 09:06 編輯 [/i]]
peninsula 2007-10-3 09:32
[quote]原帖由 [i]violetblue[/i] 於 2007-10-3 09:05 發表
超過50萬人追捧，凍資2,200億元的SOHO中國（新上市編號：0410），消息指散戶一手中籤率達到60% [/quote]
That's good!:o;P:soldier:
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-3 10:45
Though it is not favourable to those big subscription amount investors, I'd love to see as many as investors to get at least one hand so everyone can be particpating and enjoying during the rise of the market, if rise.
Maybe I will regret later or will not, my personal view is 獨樂樂不如做眾樂樂
[[i] 本帖最後由 eatallcheesecak 於 2007-10-3 13:50 編輯 [/i]]
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-3 10:46
3999, I got one hand out of one hand.
peninsula 2007-10-3 12:21
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-3 10:46 發表
3999, I got one hand out of one hand. [/quote]
大成食品（３９９９）- 市場消息指，機構投資者間的暗盤價為
３﹒４０元，較招股價高１７％。:o:soldier:
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-3 12:23
Good. Profit is a profit.
b4321 2007-10-3 12:45
Small amt of subscription can get 1 lot, it means it is not favourable for those who subscribe many but still in Group A.
peninsula 2007-10-3 13:52
[quote]原帖由 [i]b4321[/i] 於 2007-10-3 12:45 發表
Small amt of subscription can get 1 lot, it means it is not favourable for those who subscribe many but still in Group A. [/quote]
Enough for a lunch if using cash.:o:P;P
dejavu2003 2007-10-3 14:09
[quote]原帖由 [i]b4321[/i] 於 2007-10-3 12:45 PM 發表
Small amt of subscription can get 1 lot, it means it is not favourable for those who subscribe many but still in Group A. [/quote]
This is a very unfair way of allocation. If that's true, I am fortunate not to have subscribed to this share. So many shares would go to people who sell in day 1 and have no interest in the company. It's a waste of administration effort and just to make the bank/broker rich.
With limited amount of cash, I placed my bet on #3999 instead, and I get 15,000 shares. The decision was simply based on Cazenove being the sole book runner and they have a great track record. I hope it's the right decision.
peninsula 2007-10-3 14:22
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 14:09 發表
This is a very unfair way of allocation. If that's true, I am fortunate not to have subscribed to this share. So many shares would go to people who sell in day 1 and have no interest in the c ... [/quote]
If can go up by 15% or more, should be a tidy profit for locking-up money for 7 days or so,:o:P;P:soldier:
b4321 2007-10-3 14:33
I put $5M so I am in Group B, so it is not affecting me for the Group A policy. But hopefully the situation in Group B is not that worse.
potatogundam 2007-10-3 14:36
[quote]原帖由 [i]violetblue[/i] 於 2007-10-3 09:05 發表
超過50萬人追捧，凍資2,200億元的SOHO中國（新上市編號：0410），消息指散戶一手中籤率達到60%，更只需認購2,000股（4手），即動用約1.7萬元便可穩獲一手，料將成為9月以來最易抽的新股。 網龍最快月中招股 集資8 ... [/quote]
It's a bad news for me. :L:L
I used margin to apply this stock :saujai::saujai:
b4321 2007-10-3 14:46
For large scale of IPO, put yourself in Group B so u can avoid the unfair policy like one man one lot or two man one lot.
[quote]原帖由 [i]potatogundam[/i] 於 2007-10-3 14:36 發表
It's a bad news for me. :L:L
I used margin to apply this stock :saujai::saujai: [/quote]
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-3 15:00
Me too, with a limited amount cash. I put my whole bet on 410, then the remaining on 3883 and one hand on 3999 for participating. And, it seems you made a better decision than mine.
But I am considering to put my money directly on the listed stock(s) rather than those upcoming IPOs .
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 02:09 PM 發表
With limited amount of cash, I placed my bet on #3999 instead, and I get 15,000 shares.[/quote]
[[i] 本帖最後由 eatallcheesecak 於 2007-10-3 15:02 編輯 [/i]]
dejavu2003 2007-10-3 16:49
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-3 03:00 PM 發表
Me too, with a limited amount cash. I put my whole bet on 410, then the remaining on 3883 and one hand on 3999 for participating. And, it seems you made a better decision than mine.
But I am con ... [/quote]
There isn't a better investment than IPO. This is a weird situation unique in HK only, so why not take advantage of it. The issuer guarantees you a profit and the banks charge you an interest rate lower than the HIBOR. You may gain more by direct investment and there's always a risk. With IPO, there is ZERO risk and you can sometimes win big.
I always use Day 1 closing to gauge the IPO performance, and with the two recent IPOs, the profits were 10% and 3% over 7 days.
dejavu2003 2007-10-3 16:51
[quote]原帖由 [i]b4321[/i] 於 2007-10-3 02:46 PM 發表
For large scale of IPO, put yourself in Group B so u can avoid the unfair policy like one man one lot or two man one lot.
[/quote]
The problem with Group B is that the percentage is on the whole lower than Group A. Having said that, if you have unlimited resources, you should always go for Group B as the absolute allocation/gain is always higher.
I tried a few Group B's and they were all unlucky experience. I am inclined to spread my money into as many IPOs and as many accounts as possible to maximise the allocation.
b4321 2007-10-3 17:06
Understand. But Group B is more fair than Group A.
In the most recent allocation in Group B, the hitting rate across Group B is the same. It means if u put more $ in, u will get more shares in the same percentage of others.
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 16:51 發表
The problem with Group B is that the percentage is on the whole lower than Group A. Having said that, if you have unlimited resources, you should always go for Group B as the absolute allocati ... [/quote]
dejavu2003 2007-10-3 17:19
[quote]原帖由 [i]b4321[/i] 於 2007-10-3 05:06 PM 發表
Understand. But Group B is more fair than Group A.
In the most recent allocation in Group B, the hitting rate across Group B is the same. It means if u put more $ in, u will get more shares in t ... [/quote]
But in terms of percentage, group A at any level is better than group B. Therefore, with limited resources, one should split up the money into two or three group A than having one group B.
I had as much as 2% on #1393 and 1.5% on #3377, a much better percentage than group B.
peninsula 2007-10-3 18:00
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 16:49 發表
There isn't a better investment than IPO. This is a weird situation unique in HK only, so why not take advantage of it. The issuer guarantees you a profit and the banks charge you an intere ... [/quote]
Bravo. You are a smart investor indeed!:lol;P:beer:
mcwong1215 2007-10-3 18:11
大市已處極度超買之中
大市昨在大成交下進一步推上，恆指早段已裂口性高開至27,254點，其後在資金不斷湧現下，市勢再進一步推上並於午後高見28,256點，雖單日已勁升逾千點，但買盤不絕，最後恆指亦以接近全日高處收市，報收28,199點，較上週五勁升1,057點，全日成交金額增至1,631億元。
八、九月均為先低而後高，分別為19,386–24,089(升4,703點)，23,578–27,254(升3,676點)，踏入本月，大市如再呈此格局，則月中高位定在30,000點之上，惟由於超買情況嚴重，此可能性已大打折扣，一眾期指炒家宜小心行事，需慎防大市會隨時出現技術上之逆轉，升得越急，跌時將越重也。
mcwong1215 2007-10-3 18:12
港股結算後高位整固
深控積極儲地估值續可推升
窗口股深圳控股(604)公佈中期業績，盈利急升逾8倍至7億元人民幣，扣除物業重估收益後仍錄得溢利4.2億元。集團土儲面積達1434.4萬平方米，近期更連環於廣東惠州，江蘇及深圳龍崗收購地皮，年底前土儲總量有望增至2000萬平方米以上，發展規模有望追上一線內房股。現時旗下在建項目13個，預計下半年可銷售面積達到35萬平方米，可入帳數字約13.8萬平方米。此外集團亦積極整合架構，出售非核心項目，轉型集中發展地產項目，配合深圳樓市仍處高速升幅，前景看高一線。現價預測市盈率17倍，與同組股份比較仍屬落後，建議可候於7.3元吸納，目標價9元，止蝕價6.9元。
dejavu2003 2007-10-3 18:13
[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2007-10-3 06:00 PM 發表
Bravo. You are a smart investor indeed!:lol;P:beer: [/quote]
No, you don't need to be a genius to work it out. It's all Maths.
The bank manager told me that these days, their C9 customers all go for Group B.
My retired uncle who lived overseas came back last year for holiday when #1398 went IPO and I had to convince to put the money on the IPO. He was scared. He didn't believe me when I told him it's ZERO risk - he thought it was too good to be true. He started with a capital of $500K and one year on, he has made over $2 million.
My retired sister uses 100% finance on the IPO and she made over $1 million in the last 18 months.
Simple as that.
b4321 2007-10-3 18:45
Understand and agree to spit into more in Group B. But all my close relatives do subscribe new shares and there is no spare account for me to use. There should be more eyes to look at if one applies more than one applications.
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 17:19 發表
But in terms of percentage, group A at any level is better than group B. Therefore, with limited resources, one should split up the money into two or three group A than having one group B.
... [/quote]
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-3 23:24
Also in Mainland China, millionares are all over the place or the people I met. Told by them, nowadays tenths of millions is the entry to the so-called "kind of rich"
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-3 06:13 PM 發表
their C9 customers all go for Group B [/quote]
[[i] 本帖最後由 eatallcheesecak 於 2007-10-3 23:32 編輯 [/i]]
dejavu2003 2007-10-4 00:23
[quote]原帖由 [i]b4321[/i] 於 2007-10-3 06:45 PM 發表
Understand and agree to spit into more in Group B. But all my close relatives do subscribe new shares and there is no spare account for me to use. There should be more eyes to look at if one applie ... [/quote]
Of course, one stands no chance of putting in more than one application in the same name. If one doesn't have extra names, then he/she should put in maximum resources but should consider splitting that max. resources into as many IPOs as possible.
dejavu2003 2007-10-4 00:26
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-3 11:24 PM 發表
Also in Mainland China, millionares are all over the place or the people I met. Told by them, nowadays tenths of millions is the entry to the so-called "kind of rich"
[/quote]
I am actually managing some accounts for a few of my Shanghaiese friends. Although it wasn't close to millions, the amount is not to be sneezed at, considering these are office workers and at most they are making some ten or twenty thousand RMB a month. So, never underestimate a Shanghai woman.
peninsula 2007-10-4 09:10
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-4 00:26 發表
I am actually managing some accounts for a few of my Shanghaiese friends. Although it wasn't close to millions, the amount is not to be sneezed at, considering these are office workers and at ... [/quote]
You are so right. I have some experience with Shanghai women and they are exceptionally bright & can be "cunning" too!:o:jaw::soldier::help:
peninsula 2007-10-4 13:06
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-3 10:46 發表
3999, I got one hand out of one hand. [/quote]
No "meat to eat" for #3999.:oh::'(:o
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-4 15:08
Yes at this moment.
Actually today's is foreseeable as the market was going opposite yesterday and the rate for one hand out of one hand is quite high. Hopefully it can do better after the first few days.
violetblue 2007-10-5 10:06
SOHO 中了 3手， 不知是福是禍？？
[url]http://www.iporesults.hkex.com.hk/listedco/listconews/sehk/20071005/LTN20071005002_c.htm[/url]
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-5 10:27
I am very confidence it will done better than the IPO offering price in the first few days
dejavu2003 2007-10-5 10:28
[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2007-10-4 01:06 PM 發表
No "meat to eat" for #3999.:oh::'(:o [/quote]
Big meat to eat.
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-5 10:34
The highest around at $3.5, a 20% increase.
As before as I did with the previous IPOs, I sold it too early at around $3.25.
dejavu2003 2007-10-5 10:50
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-5 10:34 AM 發表
The highest around at $3.5, a 20% increase.
As before as I did with the previous IPOs, I sold it too early at around $3.25. [/quote]
This is going to hit $3.90 soon. Generally, I won't sell in the first three days. I will let the one-man-one-lot people get out of the way first. Also, I never worried, as I have great confidence in Cazenove. That's the only reason I subscribed to this stock.
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-5 11:03
I am eaxctly the "one man one lot" for this stock.
I think I have to change my trading habit for the new stocks.
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-10-5 10:50 AM 發表
one-man-one-lot people get out of the way first. [/quote]
dejavu2003 2007-10-5 11:11
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-5 11:03 AM 發表
I am eaxctly the "one man one lot" for this stock.
I think I have to change my trading habit for the new stocks.
[/quote]
So at $3.25 you made a $320 gross profit, minus $100 brokerage. Is it worth the trouble? And chances are, you might not even get the allocation.
eatallcheesecak 2007-10-5 11:23
Yes, as I said I should change my trading habit.
And, the net profit is around $68 after deduct the bank fees and others, a 2.2% return in 10 to 12 days. But quite good comparing to around 3.X% 1 month bank deposit, and profit is a profit.
dejavu2003 2007-10-5 11:44
[quote]原帖由 [i]eatallcheesecak[/i] 於 2007-10-5 11:23 AM 發表
Yes, as I said I should change my trading habit.
And, the net profit is around $68 after deduct the bank fees and others, a 2.2% return in 10 to 12 days. But quite good comparing to around 3.X% ... [/quote]
But this 2.2% comes with a risk. Also, one should look at the absolute term.
My net profit at $3.44 is around 10%. Not bad for 8 days work.
smell 2007-10-5 14:58
i use 2 hand $ to draw, got one hand!
brothers & sisters
will sell on first day or for long term, ive no idea!????
thanks!
sinye 2007-10-5 15:27
我都中左一手，唔知會昇幾多？
peninsula 2007-10-5 16:02
[quote]原帖由 [i]sinye[/i] 於 2007-10-5 15:27 發表
我都中左一手，唔知會昇幾多？ [/quote]
Probably not much as a lot of people got allocations.:o:(:oh:
mankindmankind 2007-10-5 22:13
$10.48
[url]http://www.cyberquote.com.hk/index.htm[/url]
violetblue 2007-10-8 10:18
SOHO sold at $10.16 this morning.
[[i] 本帖最後由 violetblue 於 2007-10-8 17:46 編輯 [/i]]
peninsula 2007-10-8 12:12
[quote]原帖由 [i]violetblue[/i] 於 2007-10-8 10:18 發表
Sold at $11.16 this morning. [/quote]
Which one - #3377?:o:wondering::oh:
violetblue 2007-10-8 17:46
[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2007-10-8 12:12 發表
Which one - #3377?:o:wondering::oh: [/quote]
Sorry, I made a mistake.
:P:P
I mean : SOHO sold at $10.16
[[i] 本帖最後由 violetblue 於 2007-10-8 19:06 編輯 [/i]]
peninsula 2007-10-9 08:59
[quote]原帖由 [i]violetblue[/i] 於 2007-10-8 17:46 發表
I mean : SOHO sold at $10.16 [/quote]
You sold at DAY high??:oh::reading::blowme:
Oldman 2007-10-9 14:41
[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2007-10-9 08:59 發表
You sold at DAY high??:oh::reading::blowme: [/quote]
unbelievable !
violetblue 2007-10-9 18:48
[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2007-10-9 08:59 發表
You sold at DAY high??:oh::reading::blowme: [/quote]
我 9:55 a.m. 打電話比經紀叫佢一開市即刻放，
後來他覆我 $10.16 放了 3 手！！
另一手屋企人嘅， $10.12 放埋。
:byebye::byebye:
[[i] 本帖最後由 violetblue 於 2007-10-9 18:58 編輯 [/i]]
D30417995 2007-10-10 03:30
just joining in; want to learn more
dlaw8212a 2007-10-10 08:52
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