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mmr.ren 2008-6-4 16:09

十年工作經驗

IT 界, 碩士畢業 (local)

做左十年野, 做左六七年中層管理, 但因大部份工作北移而變左無兵司令想轉工 :oh:

值幾多錢? :lookaround:

peninsula 2008-6-4 20:33

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-4 16:09 發表
IT 界, 碩士畢業 (local)
做左十年野, 做左六七年中層管理, 但因大部份工作北移而變左無兵司令想轉工 :oh:
值幾多錢? :lookaround: [/quote]
MNC still OK!:oh::reading:

mmr.ren 2008-6-5 11:00

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-4 12:33 發表

MNC still OK!:oh::reading: [/quote]

唔明 :wondering::reading:

jackpao 2008-6-5 11:50

不個好多MNC都將IT外判比agency做,我d做I.T.的朋友都只可以同agency做合約員工(約20k-30k/mth,視乎你負責啲乜野IT)，除非你是做development或成個系統有d野剩係你先識(我另一個friend就係咁，mnc one man band,大部分野已轉比印度佬support,佢負責mon住，但有70-80k /月(佢都係master, 有超過10yr exp.)。

BenChek 2008-6-5 15:48

個人情况及際遇不同, 同樣IT都分不同範圍: development, operations, network, etc
總体䏲, 30k-50k 是大學畢業6年經驗之合理水平, Master 同BSc無乜分別
IT 之中, development 前途最差, 大陸仔同樣資歴人工係你1/4

mmr.ren 2008-6-5 16:32

我公司之前乜春都搞, 幫人 custom made system 又有, SI 又做, technical support 又做, 連 embedded 都搞, 仲有係 corporate training 添

BenChek 2008-6-5 16:44

而家IT走兩極化
一係留起香港, 不過大部份位都係senior, 你要走出中層爬上去, 仲要識玩嘢多過做嘢
一係北上, 人工少1/3至一半, 但大把位, 但係要學識大陸文化至生存到, 上海有一大班呢D香港人

mmr.ren 2008-6-5 17:25

[quote]原帖由 [i]BenChek[/i] 於 2008-6-5 08:44 發表
而家IT走兩極化
一係留起香港, 不過大部份位都係senior, 你要走出中層爬上去, 仲要識玩嘢多過做嘢
一係北上, 人工少1/3至一半, 但大把位, 但係要學識大陸文化至生存到, 上海有一大班呢D香港人 [/quote]

我班肯上上海北京既 friend, 人工多左 50% 以上, 不過係香港派上去, 而唔係上上面搵工

BenChek 2008-6-5 18:02

你講個班人遲早會比公司localized
要佢地北上一兩年去帶起D國內員工, 比足福利仲加薪
等D國內員工上軌道之後就减你一半人工, 睇你仲留吾留底
IBM＋年前係最好例子

mmr.ren 2008-6-6 12:26

[quote]原帖由 [i]BenChek[/i] 於 2008-6-5 10:02 發表
你講個班人遲早會比公司localized
要佢地北上一兩年去帶起D國內員工, 比足福利仲加薪
等D國內員工上軌道之後就减你一半人工, 睇你仲留吾留底
IBM＋年前係最好例子 [/quote]

做 IT 咪即係做和尚... 打完齋有鬼用咩 :oh::oh:

peninsula 2008-6-6 21:53

[quote]原帖由 [i]BenChek[/i] 於 2008-6-5 16:44 發表
而家IT走兩極化
一係留起香港, 不過大部份位都係senior, 你要走出中層爬上去, 仲要識玩嘢多過做嘢一係北上, 人工少1/3至一半, 但大把位, 但係要學識大陸文化至生存到, 上海有一大班呢D香港人 [/quote]
Go overseas is much better!:o:lookaround::reading:

～琴琴～ 2008-6-7 10:24

現在好難講．．．
因為現在的事都唔係好好!

周五一次郎 2008-6-9 18:12

[quote]原帖由 [i]BenChek[/i] 於 2008-6-5 18:02 發表
你講個班人遲早會比公司localized
要佢地北上一兩年去帶起D國內員工, 比足福利仲加薪
等D國內員工上軌道之後就减你一半人工, 睇你仲留吾留底
IBM＋年前係最好例子 [/quote]

这个在很多行业也会发生！
在外资公司眼中，香港人只是大陆业务的开荒牛。
但内地的业务和员工站稳后，就会慢慢的把香港的人换掉！

mmr.ren 2008-6-10 12:42

[quote]原帖由 [i]周五一次郎[/i] 於 2008-6-9 10:12 發表

这个在很多行业也会发生！
在外资公司眼中，香港人只是大陆业务的开荒牛。
但内地的业务和员工站稳后，就 ... [/quote]

等死吧 :hamsup::hamsup::hamsup:

peninsula 2008-6-10 21:11

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-10 12:42 發表
等死吧 :hamsup::hamsup::hamsup: [/quote]
So terrible?:wondering::oh:

mmr.ren 2008-6-11 11:11

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-10 13:11 發表

So terrible?:wondering::oh: [/quote]

我見唔倒光 :oh::oh::oh:

peninsula 2008-6-11 20:26

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-11 11:11 發表
我見唔倒光 :oh::oh::oh: [/quote]
Think out of box?:reading::lookaround:

mmr.ren 2008-6-12 09:57

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-11 12:26 發表

Think out of box?:reading::lookaround: [/quote]

藍海思維? :lol:bow::reading:

peninsula 2008-6-12 19:33

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-12 09:57 發表
藍海思維? :lol:bow::reading: [/quote]
Maybe. Do something MAN!;P:P:hamsup:

rockking2000 2008-6-16 21:21

都很牛比啊！！！！！！！！

不平凡人 2008-6-23 11:09

有冇諗過自己攪間IT公司????
可能仲好過你打工.....

mmr.ren 2008-6-23 14:25

[quote]原帖由 [i]不平凡人[/i] 於 2008-6-23 03:09 發表
有冇諗過自己攪間IT公司????
可能仲好過你打工..... [/quote]

有家庭負擔，唔敢 :oh::oh:

BenChek 2008-6-23 14:28

I dont recommend to setup your own IT company.
The economy does not favour small IT company at the moment.
HP, JOS, PCCW all are in sever competition and they are already operating in a very low margin.
You wont find enough business or enough operating margin to survive.

The only time when small IT company can survive is when the big names are overcharging the market.
But currently they are not.

So if you have the cash to setup your own IT company by now,
I would suggest you keep those money in the bank.

mmr.ren 2008-6-24 11:49

Agree... A few years back I talked to someone in Lenovo... they said the margin is too low, they just keep market presence instead of earning money.

I've a couple of friends who has their own company, it's not better than being employed.

And for the rest of people, they simply moved their operations to mainland, cheaper labour and far bigger market.

peninsula 2008-6-25 10:20

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-24 11:49 發表
Agree... A few years back I talked to someone in Lenovo... they said the margin is too low, they just keep market presence instead of earning money.
I've a couple of friends who has their own co ... [/quote]
Software and services are better but still competitive la.:o:reading::oh:

mmr.ren 2008-6-26 12:54

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-25 02:20 發表

Software and services are better but still competitive la.:o:reading::oh: [/quote]

無喇, 香港市場細... 只可以依咐響大既 non-IT 公司, 做一個 IT 部門咁

香港所謂 IT 公司都只係 sales, 或者係做 SI :oh:

peninsula 2008-6-26 21:06

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-26 12:54 發表
無喇, 香港市場細... 只可以依咐響大既 non-IT 公司, 做一個 IT 部門咁
香港所謂 IT 公司都只係 sales, 或者係做 SI :oh: [/quote]
Go outside HK!:P:hamsup:

mmr.ren 2008-6-27 16:04

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-26 13:06 發表

Go outside HK!:P:hamsup: [/quote]

返大陸就俾人當和尚, 打完齋食硬屎

去美國? 人地都要去印度!

去印度? 人地又平又勁...

算喇, 去疴屎算狗掃 :oh::oh:

peninsula 2008-6-29 17:42

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-27 16:04 發表
返大陸就俾人當和尚, 打完齋食硬屎
去美國? 人地都要去印度!
去印度? 人地又平又勁...
算喇, 去疴屎算狗掃 :oh::oh: [/quote]
Australia!:quiet:

mmr.ren 2008-6-30 12:36

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-6-29 09:42 發表

Australia!:quiet: [/quote]

有無好路數先? :reading::reading::reading:

peninsula 2008-7-2 20:35

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-6-30 12:36 發表
有無好路數先? :reading::reading::reading: [/quote]
Many contract jobs!:lookaround::reading:

mmr.ren 2008-7-3 09:51

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2008-7-2 12:35 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4791385&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

Many contract jobs!:lookaround::reading: [/quote]

即係一句 - 都係打齋 :L:L:L

dizzc 2008-7-3 12:48

轉行做sales:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

mmr.ren 2008-7-3 12:55

[quote]原帖由 [i]dizzc[/i] 於 2008-7-3 04:48 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4795080&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
轉行做sales:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol [/quote]

其實呢個似乎係最可行 :handshake

dizzc 2008-7-3 13:27

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-7-3 12:55 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4795118&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

其實呢個似乎係最可行 :handshake [/quote]

做番d it sales籮, 我見d friend都幾好搵

mmr.ren 2008-7-3 14:22

peninsula 2008-7-3 21:04

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-7-3 09:51 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4794077&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
即係一句 - 都係打齋 :L:L:L [/quote]
It's really easy but must get a work permit first.:o

mmr.ren 2008-7-8 17:53

慘到爆機.... 何處是出路 :oh: :oh: :oh:

不平凡人 2008-7-16 11:44

[quote]原帖由 [i]dizzc[/i] 於 2008-7-3 05:27 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4795292&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

做番d it sales籮, 我見d friend都幾好搵 [/quote]我E+都係做緊IT SALES喎...
我又唔好搵既??反而覺得好慘:burst:
一係搵唔到客...一係搵到客..但覺得我地個SYSTEM太貴...咁就唔買....:L
老闆又係咁摔我數...唉.....我都做埋呢個月唔做........:Q

dizzc 2008-7-16 14:37

[quote]原帖由 [i]不平凡人[/i] 於 2008-7-16 11:44 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4916876&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我E+都係做緊IT SALES喎...
我又唔好搵既??反而覺得好慘:burst:
一係搵唔到客...一係搵到客..但覺得我地個SYSTEM太貴...咁就唔買....:L
老闆又係咁摔我數...唉.....我都做埋呢個月唔做........:Q [/quote]

有幾個都係一入去只係跟番d舊客, 有咩新野d客都會keep住買, 佢地都係sell network野多, 我見佢地d客唔係大公司就係學校....不過冇面人呢d濕碎錢佢都唔志在啦

mmr.ren 2008-7-18 18:03

[quote]原帖由 [i]dizzc[/i] 於 2008-7-16 06:37 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4917940&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

有幾個都係一入去只係跟番d舊客, 有咩新野d客都會keep住買, 佢地都係sell network野多, 我見佢地d客唔係大公司就係學校....不過冇面人呢d濕碎錢佢都唔志在啦 [/quote]

跟舊客呢 D 咁既野都唔方錢多 :hamsup::hamsup:

mmr.ren 2008-8-12 16:19

似乎都係做政府幾好咁... even 係 contract 都比出面高 :funk:

mmr.ren 2008-8-14 10:26

各位大佬.... 有咩方法可以博公司 layoff 自己?

COO 2008-8-14 13:47

[quote]原帖由 [i]mmr.ren[/i] 於 2008-8-14 10:26 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=5103953&ptid=196023][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
各位大佬.... 有咩方法可以博公司 layoff 自己? [/quote]

1) 批評公司勞工條例不依足黎執行
2) 要求公司對員工褔利進行改革和改善，不過千祺唔好俾方案
3) 對老細既親信不妥當既行為進諫，重要叫老細炒佢地
4) 俾老細睇到你同佢既對頭人有經常接觸，要引起佢不安

夠用未？

mmr.ren 2008-8-14 16:16

基本上都有用, (3) 可以去盡 D, 但又覺得... :hamsup:

喂, 如果老細成日唔響度又點玩呢? :oh:

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