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[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-13 00:14 發表
If you want Franch I can bring Beaucastel CDP 1998 (RP95+),it's just entering its drinking window, or I can bring CLONAKILLA 2001 Shiraz Voignier (JH96) which suppose to be one of the best Australi ... [/quote]

CLONAKILLA is a good imitation, but has far to go..  IMHO  :)

Also, I think JH can not be trusted, much worse than RP !

[[i] 本帖最後由 可愛老頑童 於 2007-12-13 00:19 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:01 AM 發表


Make L.O.P.B. & L.O.P.G. = 2, and problem solved.  

May be we'd invite them next time la ?  :) [/quote]

it's up to you.  maybe there are dropouts as usual.

So I will bring one more then.

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:17 AM 發表


CLONAKILLA is a good imitation, but has far to go..  IMHO  :)

Also, I think JH can not be trusted, much worse than RP ! [/quote]


what shall i bring then?:wondering::wondering::wondering:  Also on behalf of my friends.

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:08 AM 發表
ALSO let me warn all of us, someone will be released from Jail after 12/1/08, we better feed him with good stuff to wake his taste buds up!! otherwise, he will drink all his Wendouree or Grange by  ... [/quote]

I am enjoying life thru to 12/1/08 as much as I did.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 00:31 發表


I am enjoying life thru to 12/1/08 as much as I did. [/quote]
liar or honest?;P;P
trust u man...........:givemefive:
God knows what u will bring to us............1990 should be a good yr........
:reading:

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:37 AM 發表

liar or honest?;P;P
trust u man...........:givemefive:
God knows what u will bring to us............1990 should be a good yr........
:reading: [/quote]

i ain't got no 1990 left la.  I only owned one 1990 in my life and that was a 707 and was consumed exactly 6 years ago, on my birthday.

OK, then I'll bring the Beaucastel. By the way, I also think JH's rating are often too generous, same thing happening on RP's mark to aus wines, who's rating you guys think is more reliable for aus wines then?

[[i] 本帖最後由 barton 於 2007-12-13 00:45 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-13 00:44 發表
OK, then I'll bring the Beaucastel. By the way, I also think JH's rating are often too generous, same thing happening on RP's mark to aus wines, who's rating you guys think is more reliable for aus ... [/quote]

NO,
it seems we all focus on those things popular and perstigious.
Mount Mary, Hill of Grace, Run Rig, RR, 707, 389, RWT, Grange...even Wendouree.....
I read some Hugh Johnson and Oz Clark only... JH is generous but focus on AUssie wine, also,  after 5 mark deduction, Parker is more reliable.

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-12-13 01:15 發表

... [color=Brown]after 5 mark deduction, Parker is more reliable [/color][/quote]

[color=Brown]Agree ![/color]

Oh, I forgot, I said to DJV we'd share a [color=Purple]Mount Mary Quintet 1999[/color]
  
I bring that instead of the La Petite Chapelle 2001, even though it's not related to Rhone at all.

:)

[[i] 本帖最後由 可愛老頑童 於 2007-12-13 08:58 編輯 [/i]]

Of course we don't just rely on grading, only when we don't have first hand experience, grading is still a good pointer, at least it will reduce chances buying a bad wine with our hard-earned money. The practical problem is that we can't try and taste everything so that we can only trust those experienced drinker or so-called wine critics. Actually, I find myself enjoyed wines ranging from RP80-RP9x, sometimes a RP92 wine is not necessary better than RP85 wine, even Parker himself said the difference between RP96,97,98,99,100 is just something emotional at a given moment.

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:13 AM 發表


DJV was talking about La Chapelle 1990 ar, not 2001.

1990 is drinkable now, but still has many years to improve.  RP estimates its life to 2050 !! [/quote]

Mind sharing that with me in 2050?  I try to stay healthy and that's why I am going to the gym.

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-12 11:58 PM 發表


This is way too young, last time we tried it, it did not open up at all, even after the party was over 3 to 4 hours later !

I'd bring a La Chapelle 1988 (RP92) and a La Petite Chapelle 2001. [/quote]


Hey, one bottle is enough la.  Oncologist is gonna tell you to drink in moderation.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 09:36 發表

Mind sharing that with me in 2050?  I try to stay healthy and that's why I am going to the gym. [/quote]

Yes Sir !    :verygood: :verygood:  :)

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 09:38 發表



Hey, one bottle is enough la.  Oncologist is gonna tell you to drink in moderation. [/quote]

2 bottles is already moderation for me and my wife la !!  :)

Revised list:
Jaboulet La Chapelle 1988
Mount Mary Quintet 1999

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-13 08:58 發表
Of course we don't just rely on grading, only when we don't have first hand experience, grading is still a good pointer, at least it will reduce chances buying a bad wine with our hard-earned money ... [/quote]


我很贊同 !   you have spoken my mind  :verygood:

:)

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-13 12:08 PM 發表


2 bottles is already moderation for me and my wife la !!  :)

Revised list:
Jaboulet La Chapelle 1988
Mount Mary Quintet 1999 [/quote]

sounds like I have to pull out the Jaboulet La Chapelle 2001 for vertical tasting.  Am I killing the baby?

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 16:06 發表


sounds like I have to pull out the Jaboulet La Chapelle 2001 for vertical tasting. [color=Brown] Am I killing the baby? [/color][/quote]

Yes, a toddler.  :)

Sounds like a not-too-bad wine tasting.  I think we can still book now.




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[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 16:35 發表
Sounds like a not-too-bad wine tasting.  I think we can still book now.




                          A Luxurious Wine Dinner

             Featuring Château Cheval Blanc & Ch&acir ... [/quote]

YES BUT, 廣州！

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-12-13 04:44 PM 發表


YES BUT, 廣州！ [/quote]

sorry.  didn't know it was today.  my friend asked me last week and I said I was busy.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-11-28 05:15 PM 發表


I'll buy another one for you next time at D.M. at cost. No need to buy from me. [/quote]


I hope I have not misled you.  I said I'll buy another one for you next time at D.M.  The one I last bought @ such a ridiculous price is for me la.  I just hope that the price on your next bottle is just as ridiculous.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-13 16:54 發表



I hope I have not misled you.  I said I'll buy another one for you next time at D.M.  The one I last bought @ such a ridiculous price is for me la.  I just hope that the price on your next bo ... [/quote]

Thank You nevertheless !  :) :)

sorry to confirm so late, 2 seats for me please, thanks.  and I suppose bro 可愛老頑童 can still invite your friends.  as bro dejavu said, there should be drop out in the last minute, no problem at all

For the wine, seems you guys are working on the red only, then I will bring some white, probably Chapoutier's stuff, will confirm soon

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-12-15 17:00 發表
sorry to confirm so late, 2 seats for me please, thanks.  and I suppose bro 可愛老頑童 can still invite your friends.  as bro dejavu said, there should be drop out in the last minute, no problem at ... [/quote]

u are always so considerate that i really have no idea on the white,  u take your good stuff then!:givemefive:

By the way, i had the Dom Oenotheque 1992 today from the opening of my friend client ( I chose it for him by his money)!  Still impressive and YOUNG!!! bitter after taste with palate of yeast, toasty and cripsy.  Little hints of honey implies its pre mature condition.  Very Floral nose and pleasant!! years for aging!

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-12-15 05:00 PM 發表
sorry to confirm so late, 2 seats for me please, thanks.  and I suppose bro 可愛老頑童 can still invite your friends.  as bro dejavu said, there should be drop out in the last minute, no problem at ... [/quote]


Here's the final count -

1, 2, 3, & 4 - Dejavu & friends
5, 6 - ah Tai
7, 8 - Mr & Mrs. 可愛老頑童
9 - Oncologist
10 - Barton
11, 12, 13, 14  - Kenzo, Ah NXX, pretty colleague, solicitor

Am I missing anybody?

I will confirm the booking tomorrow.

Any preference on the menu?  Pick two each from starter + starter 2 + main + dessert for the night.  Then individuals can pick one out of the two when we get there.

[[i] 本帖最後由 dejavu2003 於 2007-12-19 16:21 編輯 [/i]]

Thanks bro Dejavu, I choose chocolate mousse cake!

For the wine, I will bring 2 bottles of Chapoutier's white, which are made by same grape varietal but express differently.

should be total 14 tentativly, the 15th is vacant!!!

Foie Gras from second course.  Thank you.

[[i] 本帖最後由 barton 於 2007-12-18 23:46 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-18 11:44 PM 發表
Foie Gras from second course.  Thank you. [/quote]

Foie Gras and Chocolate mousse cake are my choices too.

We need two from each category though.

Brother dejavu, I think some ladies may not like too meaty, you could include the Salmon or Cod in the main course selection and you make decision for other choices la.

[[i] 本帖最後由 barton 於 2007-12-19 08:58 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-19 08:56 AM 發表
Brother dejavu, I think some ladies may not like too meaty, you could include the Salmon or Cod in the main course selection and you make decision for other choices la. [/quote]


OK, here's my pick.  好一餐,唔好又一餐。


Baby spinach…..
Pan-fried scallop with French bean salad

Prawn bisque
Foie gras

Roasted black cod
Filet of beef

Crème Brulee
Chocolate mousse cake

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-12-19 21:13 發表



OK, here's my pick.  好一餐,唔好又一餐。


Baby spinach…..
Pan-fried scallop with French bean salad

Prawn bisque
Foie gras

Roasted black cod
Filet of beef

Crème Brulee
... [/quote]

咁都叫唔好??:help:
唔通餐餐Spoon咩............:L

Nice to meet all of you in the net, long time no see.! I am really longing for for that night. Just a humble question, is it too early to bring and open Domaine De la Janasse V.V. 2004? (I tried my best to search 2003 but seemed not available in most shops)

[quote]原帖由 [i]Oncologist[/i] 於 2007-12-19 22:46 發表
Nice to meet all of you in the net, long time no see.! I am really longing for for that night. Just a humble question, is it too early to bring and open Domaine De la Janasse V.V. 2004? (I tried my ... [/quote]
use decanter la, it is young ga,but still pleasant and powerful, good to enjoy it still,,2003 should not be a good year woh...last good yr should be 2001 and 2005 will be prestigious too.

Oncologist, Any good Rhone after 2000 is just too young to drink IMHO, or you could buy a white wine, we have only 2 white from Tai till this moment.

Thanks. 2003 should be better than 04, right? at least revealed by RP (though I know not many people here like RP much haha).

to Barton, I am waiting for your Beaucastel ^^Actually I do have a collection of Aus wine (e.g. Wolfbass black label) which could be drank (or drunk^o^) now, and I could bring it if you don't mind it doesnt suit the Rhone topic.

no problem la, I don't mind to drink any wine while it's a good wine. :beer:

[[i] 本帖最後由 barton 於 2007-12-20 09:06 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]Oncologist[/i] 於 2007-12-20 00:20 發表
Thanks. 2003 should be better than 04, right? at least revealed by RP (though I know not many people here like RP much haha).

to Barton, I am waiting for your Beaucastel ^^Actually I do have a  ... [/quote]

[color=Brown]2003 [/color]is a VERY GOOD vintage for [color=Brown]NORTHERN Rhone [/color](Cote Rotie, etc.).   

As for [color=Brown]SOUTHERN Rhone [/color](CDP etc.), [color=Brown]2000, 2001 [/color]and [color=Brown]2005 [/color]are V. Good years.

Do remember [color=Maroon]2002[/color] is a [color=Brown]超爛年[/color] for both,  AVOID !

Onc 兄,  IF you would allow me, give me a budget, I'll try to buy an older Rhone for you ?    Rather than "killing babies"

:)

[quote]原帖由 [i]Oncologist[/i] 於 2007-12-20 00:20 發表
Actually I do have a collection of Aus wine (e.g. Wolfbass black label) ... [/quote]

I would avoid higher priced WB, not good Quality/Prices ratio, IMHO.

:)

Brothers, that problem puzzled me for a while before, many people say that use a decanter can accelerate the maturity of a wine, some even claimed that 1 hr in the decanter just like 1 yr in the cellar, if that is the case why should we still cellar our wine? now I come to my own conclusion that even decanter can help to smooth out the tannic and help different components integrate better so that a new wine is more approachable in it's early stage, I still believe good wines need time and patient to allow those complex aroma and secondary flavor to develop, that can't be replaced by a decanter. Any insightful opinion about it?

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-12-19 23:43 發表

use decanter la [/quote]

[[i] 本帖最後由 barton 於 2007-12-20 16:27 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-20 09:03 發表
I still believe good wines need time and patient to allow those complex aroma and secondary favour to develop ... [/quote]

Agree !  You have said it, I have no other insightful opinion la.   :)

Bro Barton, your opinions and questions have actually been discussion topics for many people, including some significant wine critics.  I intend to write something on this but just don’t have time, the following are some of my ideas, please see them and we may have a discussion

-        Use of decanter was original for separating sediment from the wine.  Speeding up the ageing process is the “by-product” of that.
-        Ageing and maturing of wine involve two parts: oxidizing of the wine and integration of molecular ingredient in the wine.  For the first part, decant can be useful as it increase the wine’s exposure to air, but not the second part as time (in terms of years) is required for that.
-        Development in wine making techniques and change of the market situation have made bottle ageing not necessary any more, especially for the French wine after 1990’s.
-        Personal preference and taste are always different for individuals.  There is no fix rule which is better treatment process for the wine.

Just my views for sharing.

'integration of molecular ingredient in the wine.'
that is what i want to point out too....it is kind of big chemical breaking dwon into many simpler chemical molecules, that is the answer that young wine always direct, simple and juicy but older good wine always complex and full of layers tastes thro the time of oxidation after uncorking.  
However, if we keen to open a young bottle and drink it young, use decanter! ........to oxidase the juice at that moment..

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-12-19 23:43 發表

use decanter la, it is young ga,but still pleasant and powerful, good to enjoy it still,,2003 should not be a good year woh...last good yr should be 2001 and 2005 will be prestigious too. [/quote]
sorry, i forgot that the bad year should be 2002...:lol:lol

Thank you for all of your expert opinion.

to 可愛老頑童, don't worry, I can prepare an older Rhone, let me have another excuse for myself to buy more fine wine.  haha..

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-12-15 05:00 PM 發表
sorry to confirm so late, 2 seats for me please, thanks.  and I suppose bro 可愛老頑童 can still invite your friends.  as bro dejavu said, there should be drop out in the last minute, no problem at ... [/quote]

可愛老頑童, are your friends coming?

It's so close to CNY and I am sure there will be dropouts as people might be traveling, family commitments, etc.

I can assure you there will be at least 1 dropout from my friends.

Merry Christmas to all brothers! May your liver be mechanical and wish you enjoy more & more good wines in the coming year!

[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-12-25 12:02 AM 發表
Merry Christmas to all brothers! May your liver be mechanical and wish you enjoy more & more good wines in the coming year! [/quote]

Merry Christmas to all.  

It was very DRY here in BKK - there's an ALCOHOL BAN here on Dec 22 and 23 till midnight because of the election.  This is the first time I went to the steakhouse and only had a San Pellegrino to go with the food.

Happy new year to u all!! Good health is always be the first thing we must have....then drink good wine!