barton 2006-11-20 15:20
friends, where can I find Leeuwin's Chardonnay in HK? I know that Rare and Fine Wine has it, any other place of reasonable price? Thanks.
kenzo1111 2006-11-21 00:44
Rare and Fine wine price is not high already. If in Watson's, price must be higher.
ar Tai,
first gal ar ma, more inspiration to us ar..hehe..
Parklane
I tasted an old bottle of burgundy at the corner of the hall..it is the 1985 vintage. Onyl few bottles at the beginning. I tried it twice.
I was disappointed by all the Bordeaux this time. I like the Delas Cote rotie. The Italian wine, Spanish Chivite gran reserva and all the German wine esp the eiswien and Tba. very impressive.
tailawyau 2006-11-21 10:24
i like the italian wine of the night
actually i spent too much time at the italian counters, and didn't taste much of the french and aussie wine, what a waste
parklane 2006-11-22 10:04
[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2006-11-20 07:20 AM 發表
friends, where can I find Leeuwin's Chardonnay in HK? I know that Rare and Fine Wine has it, any other place of reasonable price? Thanks. [/quote]
U can try wine buff in wanchai. They hosted a Leeuwin dinner about 2 months ago and they offers art series chardonnay for 03 vintage at less than 600 per bottle. But I will caution you that new vintage of Leeuwin is not always in its best form. 01 vintage is just beginning to show its wealth and 03 vintage may take even longer to mature. If you plan to buy and open, then I do not recommend Leeuwin. There are plenty of them out there at lower price can deliver the same joy today. Of course if you plan to store it for at least 5 years, Leeuwin art series chardonnay is the choice.
parklane 2006-11-22 10:10
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-11-20 07:10 AM 發表
Long time no see ar. Welcome back.
I like the German Ice wine most. And the Peter Lehman too - from the 6 litre bottle of course. [/quote]
Thank you. I planned to try the dry white first, then pinot, then red, then German white but by the time I went to German corner, everything is gone. What a pity.
Anyone recall the 1993 white from France with a very special taste. It is next to Delas Freres counter. I didnt jot down the brand but I quite like it.
parklane 2006-11-22 10:14
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2006-11-20 04:44 PM 發表
Rare and Fine wine price is not high already. If in Watson's, price must be higher.
ar Tai,
first gal ar ma, more inspiration to us ar..hehe..
Parklane
I tasted an old bottle of b ... [/quote]
Yes it is the 1985 clos vouguet but it is only of average quality. Of course, magnum of Delas Feres, I recall it to be Les Bressade 1999. Very nice wine. There is one more wine show this Saturday organised by winenow in Happy Valley, anyone going.
tailawyau 2006-11-22 11:40
you mean the one organized by winenow?
i didn't order the advanced/discounted tickets >.<
tailawyau 2006-11-22 16:34
hi parklane
where is wine buff?? the one opposite to Hopewell Centre?
parklane 2006-11-23 15:19
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2006-11-22 08:34 AM 發表
hi parklane
where is wine buff?? the one opposite to Hopewell Centre? [/quote]
Yes it is a small shop opposite to the temple around Hopewell Center. There is nothing much you can window shop there. Better leave your name and email to them and they will send you the list of new stock every month by email.
tailawyau 2006-11-27 14:10
how's the wine fair last week? anyone been there?
kenzo1111 2006-11-27 23:41
i did not. By the way, there is a new supermarket called THREE SIXTY in Landmark Central. SO many organic wine and so less popular but very good wine from Loire, France, Aussie and NZ. If have time, worthy going for a look.
tailawyau 2006-11-28 16:59
oh, is it? i didn't notice such new shop
i like the white (chinen blanc) from loire for their acidity and refreshness very much
will go there shortly
kenzo1111 2006-11-29 00:05
ask the sales, they have very good chenin Blanc.
amoureux_de_vin 2006-11-29 01:26
Hi! it's nice to read this thread! It's good place to share!
I'm a wine lover, but I'm only a beginner, hope bros won't mind. I'm not rich, the price range I've tried is HKD 50-1900 - the cheapest one is 1996 長城干紅 Cab Sau., the $1900 is a 1989 Lynch Bages. And I always drink alone, a.k.a less varieties I've tried.
I'd like to share 2 very interesting experience just happened recently: I had a bottle of Las Vacos Reserve 1998 with 打邊爐, at the beginning it's nothing special, but during the middle of the meal, I found the "pairing" is so wonderful! I found out it's the Las Vacos Reserve and the 辣椒豉油, they just match so good!
Anothe experience is Penfold St. Henri Shiraz 2001 with 大排檔 黑椒羊鞍煲, I like Shiraz with 羊腩 for long time, but this time, the Shiraz with 羊鞍煲 is just exceed my expectation. Worth a try.
BTW, I'll have 避風塘炒蟹 with friends a few days later, I'm thinking of pair it with a sparkling wine - light to medium bodied, well balance of 甜酸度, I haven't tried this before, is it a good idea? Any recommendation?
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amoureux_de_vin 2006-11-29 01:35
[quote]原帖由 [i]炮艇工兵[/i] 於 2006-10-21 08:26 AM 發表
95正! :loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes: [/quote]
I liked Lynch Bages, too, it's an all time favourite when dinning with biz friends, vintage I've tried: 89, 94, 96, 97, 99, 2000, they're very consistant and 96' 00' are outstanding, but too bad they're becoming over-priced now, 五級酒莊, 2級價錢! then I switched to Montrose, Les Fort du Latour.
amoureux_de_vin 2006-11-29 01:40
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2006-8-23 12:27 AM 發表
ha, i am not tall at all and only have 178cm tall...;P
for the wine around $100....:lol
my choice is all in Park'n shop
Montgras, Los Vasco when on sale...from 138 to $88
Also, the from win ... [/quote]
I once follow the recommendation from Dee's blog, tried a JJ McWlliam's Cab Sau 2004 from Park'n shop, $99@, very enjoyable, very strict and no-nonsense, but when I try the Melot and CMS, that's another story.
amoureux_de_vin 2006-11-29 01:41
BTW, 你地鐘意睇"神之水滴"嗎?
amoureux_de_vin 2006-11-29 01:52
One more question: What's your favourite wine with oyster? Chablis? Chardonnay? Pouilly Fuisse? Others? I'd tried many but haven't found my favourite yet, any comment?
kenzo1111 2006-11-29 02:07
wellcome amoureix, Troplong Mondot is one of my favorite. Not very expensive. Med. body with its unique smokey taste.
Also, I think Champaigne is also a perfect match with oyster. I personally seldom touch new world Chadonnay except Western Aussie and Washington. US
all u list are good for oyster. For Chablis, buy the grand Cru with little more money.
Don't forget Sancere and Muscadet Ser lie.
More suggestion : Gewruztraminer for Thai or Vietman food.
DeeTsang is higher ranked than most of us. A master!
kenzo1111 2006-11-29 02:11
Penfold St Henri's 2002 has got 95 pts by James Holliday. watch it!
For mutton, southern france is a good choice such as Cheateauneuf de Pape and Cote de Rhone Village.
dejavu2003 2006-11-29 21:24
[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-11-13 03:14 PM 發表
want to check on Amour de Deutz Champagne, Millesime 1999 Blanc de Blancs. Any good? [/quote]
anyone tried that before?
tailawyau 2006-11-30 17:57
ha, i wasted a bottle of Troplong Mondot 96 last time, she still has a long way to go, i opened too early
personally, using grand cru chablis with oyster is not my favourite as the 腥味 of oyster will become much stronger, i prefer using Muscadet Ser lie, the additional favour from the lees just make the wine very enjoyable
barton 2006-12-1 23:07
[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2006-11-22 10:04 AM 發表
U can try wine buff in wanchai. They hosted a Leeuwin dinner about 2 months ago and they offers art series chardonnay for 03 vintage at less than 600 per bottle. But I will caution you that n ... [/quote]
Thanks Parklane, can you suggest some good Chardonnay for short and medium term drinking? I like the more elegant and complex burgundy style.
kenzo1111 2006-12-1 23:15
Columbia crest Grande Estate Chardonnay.
Very good in Dry Washington area. Burgundy like.
tailawyau 2006-12-2 12:55
then why not going Burgundy direct?
barton 2006-12-3 18:04
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2006-12-2 12:55 PM 發表
then why not going Burgundy direct? [/quote]
Because good Burgundy is very expansive and unstable. I find that it's quite difficult to find good Burgundy less than $600! Some good Domains (like Leory) charge more than $800 for their entry level wine.
kenzo1111 2006-12-3 23:39
Tai gor,
Columbia Crest grande estate chardonnay is only about 150 and even 120 on ssales in Watson's. It is always the top 50 of Wine Spectator.
Everybody knows Merseult or Montrachet is good ar....money money money..
channon1 2006-12-4 07:33
aust wine...penfolds
there is a muscat which is good....brown brothers orange..flora muscat
parklane 2006-12-4 09:36
[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2006-12-1 03:07 PM 發表
Thanks Parklane, can you suggest some good Chardonnay for short and medium term drinking? I like the more elegant and complex burgundy style. [/quote]
Bannockburn chardonnay and Bass Phillip are very reliable choice but some bottle age is necessary. New wine, even white wine, need air. I will normally open it and leave it there for at least half an hour so that the sulflur, CO2 will blow away and the wine will taste much better. Both of them are at the range of 300-400. Another one I like very much is Ashbrook. It is also an Australian wine. I bought a case of 2001 last year during sale and the price is less than 200 (from Boutique Wine in Southern Horizon). If you like creamy, heavy wood, buttery style, Clauraut (you can find in Watson) is OK and it is ready to drink even for newer vintage. This wine is a little bit too easy to drink and too obvious which lose the elegance aspect but nevertheless will please many people.
parklane 2006-12-4 09:50
[quote]原帖由 [i]amoureux_de_vin[/i] 於 2006-11-28 05:35 PM 發表
I liked Lynch Bages, too, it's an all time favourite when dinning with biz friends, vintage I've tried: 89, 94, 96, 97, 99, 2000, they're very consistant and 96' 00' are outstanding, but too ba ... [/quote]
Bordeaux is becoming too expensive now. You just wont find any classified growth below 500 that you would eager to buy nowaday. And I observed a very very interesting phenomenon last week. I was in a wine tasting on Friday where it featured Aussie, California, Burgundy, Bordeaux, Italy and Rhone. The first counter that run out of wine is Burgundy, even the Bourgonge was gone. People are not too keen on Bordeaux. By the time I left, there are still bottles of Bordeaux there remained unopened (they are classified growth by the way). I think peoples palate has changed now.
barton 2006-12-4 13:01
Thanks for kenzo1111 and Parklane's suggestion.
I also want to ask for the storage of wine, I have some white wine that stored in my office where temperature always keeps between 22-25 C but I find that many of the white loss their charming after 2 years, they are not especially bad but just has a feeling of flattened and a bit sour. I also find that most red Bordeaux stored in wine cellar developed a lot of sediment after 1-2 years of storage but the wines stored in my office has almost no sediment even they are the same wine as in my cellar, that's quite strange as I thought that higher temperature should cause the wine mature faster though they could be rough. Now I think that different temperature may force the wine to develope in different way, not only speed of maturity! how do you think?
parklane 2006-12-5 09:10
white wine is very sensitive to heat and 22-25 degree will definitely force the wine to mature very quickly or even loss the flavour. If you do not have a cellar, better store it in the refrigerator or drink up fast, dun stock it up.
Many red wine right now are unfiltered so it is natural to flow sentiment. But if you find wine lost sentiment in hot environment, I have never experienced this. I suspect it may be due to bottle variation. When the wine are being extracted from the 255 liter barrel, some may carry the sentiment and some may not. You may also find that wine may be lighter than another bottle of the same wine because of this.
tailawyau 2006-12-7 16:21
i had experience of two bottles of Chapoutier le Meal in the dinner
the 1st was excellent while the 2nd one was totally flat and showed nothing
and since then I seldom store white in my home unless i have a definite date of drinking
Antenna 2006-12-17 16:28
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2006-12-2 12:55 PM 發表
then why not going Burgundy direct? [/quote]
What do u mean? Do you mean why not try Burgundy wines?
Antenna 2006-12-17 16:34
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2006-11-29 02:11 AM 發表
Penfold St Henri's 2002 has got 95 pts by James Holliday. watch it!
For mutton, southern france is a good choice such as Cheateauneuf de Pape and Cote de Rhone Village. [/quote]
I prefer RWT rather than St Henri, of course the price has a large gap between them. So I will try Saltram Bin No 1 Shiraz, the price is a little bit cheaper than St Henri, but the quality is marvellous!
Rhone wines are good in general but their style is quite different from Aussie. They are so elegant & stylish.
Antenna 2006-12-17 16:41
[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2006-12-4 09:50 AM 發表
Bordeaux is becoming too expensive now. You just wont find any classified growth below 500 that you would eager to buy nowaday. And I observed a very very interesting phenomenon last week. I ... [/quote]
It depends on .....
Burgundy wines are very good only to those high-priced i.e. over $500. Their style is very different from Bordeaux wines. I don't know what burgundy wines they opened. However, Burgundy wines seems not the main theme in HK. Recently, I love Burgundy wines.
Antenna 2006-12-17 16:45
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2006-11-27 11:41 PM 發表
i did not. By the way, there is a new supermarket called THREE SIXTY in Landmark Central. SO many organic wine and so less popular but very good wine from Loire, France, Aussie and NZ. If have tim ... [/quote]
Really? I will visit it shortly. How's the price?
tailawyau 2006-12-19 12:20
[quote]原帖由 [i]Antenna[/i] 於 2006-12-17 08:45 AM 發表
Really? I will visit it shortly. How's the price? [/quote]
i am the most impressed by the collection of armagnac in three sixty
it would be a great place for spirit lover to visit
but there was limited wine from lorie valley, a bit disappointed for me
barton 2006-12-22 15:20
Thirty six's Bordeaux is quite expansive compare to other wine shop.
barton 2006-12-22 15:21
Oh, it should be three sixty, not thirty six. quite strange name.
tailawyau 2006-12-22 18:41
yes, price there is not cheap
just about the same price in watsons and city super
Antenna 2006-12-23 00:41
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2006-12-22 06:41 PM 發表
yes, price there is not cheap
just about the same price in watsons and city super [/quote]
That sounds not attractive....
I only purchase discounted items in Watsons since their standard price items are not reasonable, sometimes crazy!!
可愛老頑童 2006-12-30 17:48
I've just spent about an hour reading through this thread, I find it very
interesting and informative.
Lacking any new input, pls allow me to just give it a......... PUSH ! :)
Cheers & Happy New Year !
05606489 2007-1-1 16:58
Hi guys, I'm a beginner, I rec'd a bottle of St-Emillion Grand Cru 1999 of Chateau DE FONBEL as a 1st
prize of X'mas party. Someone told me it's very good and expensive, could you guys give your
professional comments !
thanks
Antenna 2007-1-2 03:08
[quote]原帖由 [i]05606489[/i] 於 2007-1-1 04:58 PM 發表
Hi guys, I'm a beginner, I rec'd a bottle of St-Emillion Grand Cru 1999 of Chateau DE FONBEL as a 1st
prize of X'mas party. Someone told me it's very good and expensive, could you guys give your
... [/quote]
Congratulation!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! (a little bit late ...=D)
The wine is fruity, silky & have a good body. However, it might have some earthy smell which you may not like it. The price is reasonable. I don't think it's expensive. It's value for money.
Enjoy your wine! =DDD
tailawyau 2007-1-2 12:46
Chateau DE FONBEL is just a "so-so" wine selling at about 200 something in Watson's, not really outstanding one
The classification system in St Emilion is quite different from Bordeaux, the real good ones are Premiers Grands Crus Classes A & B, like Ausone, Cheval Blanc, etc. Grand Gru label in the area means nothing
next time, if you wish to check the prices, you can use this search engine:
[url]http://www.wine-searcher.com/[/url]
kenzo1111 2007-1-3 01:58
Happy new year!!!
hope u all get drunk in 2007 .....beside a pretty gal!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah!!!!!!!!!
kenzo1111 2007-1-3 02:02
Tai gor,
De Fonbel is very good already for a beginner la.
05605489, u know, we are not young and few quota left for wine, Tai gor
always has good stuff ga.
可愛老頑童 , wellcome!!!
thanks for reminding me to update more!!!
hope to see u all guys more.
Antenna 2007-1-3 15:45
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-1-3 02:02 AM 發表
Tai gor,
De Fonbel is very good already for a beginner la.
05605489, u know, we are not young and few quota left for wine, Tai gor
always has good stuff ga.
可愛老頑童 , wellcome!!!
thanks ... [/quote]
What is "good stuff" stands for?:lol
kenzo1111 2007-1-3 23:47
good question!
it depends...that is!
to me, value for money!
to ar Tai, pretty gals and fine wine.
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