barton 2007-1-4 16:22
I want to ask those Burgundy experts about Domain Leroy, I know that the white head is Negociant wine and I want to know whether the red head is much better than the white head as it's usually at least 2x more expansive? and whether all their wine have both white head and red head version? Thanks.
parklane 2007-1-5 11:06
[quote]原帖由 [i]barton[/i] 於 2007-1-4 08:22 AM 發表
I want to ask those Burgundy experts about Domain Leroy, I know that the white head is Negociant wine and I want to know whether the red head is much better than the white head as it's usually at l ... [/quote]
The red head are domaine produced wine which means the vineyard is owned by Leroy whereas the white cap is made from purchased grapes. Usually red cap represents the flagship of a domaine so it is supposed to be of better quality. Of course, Leroy is the 1st growth equilvalent of Bordeaux and the red cap is without doubt excellent. As far as I can remember, Leroy owns grand cru and premium cru vineyard and the red cap produced are very rare and expensive. I dun recall any overlapping of same vineyard with both white and red cap produced.
Jackel 2007-1-26 10:00
Hi everyone, do you guys know if the "wine appreciation" course at open university is any good? If not, where can I take a decent course? And, just wondering, how many of you have taken such courses and how did you find them??
Thanks
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parklane 2007-1-26 13:49
no idea about the course organized by open U. Judging from the name of the course, it is for fun more than being serious. So it all depends whether you want to take a course for your future career or just to know about wine in a guided way. If it is for your career, people normally take the WSET course which is for hotel and wine trade. It is serious and you need to study. I have an overseas link but it may not be most updated;
[url]http://www.phillywine.com/wset.html#tuesdaydiplomaschedule[/url]
But if you are not that serious and not for career purpose, best way perhaps is to buy and drink systematically, I am sure people in wine shop will be more than happy to help you and guide you. Books are also useful, the wine buyer's guide from Robert Parker will be very comprehensive. I guarantee you if you read the book cover to cover, you know wine better than many of the people in the wine trade
kenzo1111 2007-1-26 23:37
I never take wine course but Robert Parker and Hugh Johnson. Also, Oz Clark and james Holliday are good to learn. The most important thing is to drink more with system and progress.
Moreover, come here, Master Parklane is willing to teach us all the time.
I am just a life long student of wine
kenzo1111 2007-1-26 23:39
I never take wine course but Robert Parker and Hugh Johnson. Also, Oz Clark and james Holliday are good to learn. The most important thing is to drink more with system and progress.
Moreover, come here, Master Parklane is willing to teach us all the time.
I am just a life long student of wine
Jackel 2007-1-29 10:08
Thank you Parklane and Kenzo~!!!!!!
I think I will start from reading the book from Robert Parker you recommanded and, by the way is the WEST course offered in Hong Kong? I am still reading the site but found nothing on where they offer the coursre so far...
parklane 2007-1-29 15:07
I think they have course run in HK. Perhaps do a search on WSET and see if there is anything there.
tailawyau 2007-1-29 17:40
actually the wine course in OUHK is run jointly by OUHK and Concord Wine
the teaching materials and approach are based on WSET (they are using WSET books), and it aims to provide systematic way for learning of wine knowledge. they expect student should be able to join the WSET advanced certificate test after completion and it was stated that the course is suitable for people in trade or hotel
from my point of view, the course run by OUHK is acceptable
the teaching staff (expecially for the non-Chinese teachers) are very professional
but the course schedule is extremely tight and coverage is too wide
you have to read a lot yourself and not just materials from the institute
but still, this is the most organized wine course i know so far in hong kong
色即是空 2007-1-29 17:45
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-1-29 17:40 發表
actually the wine course in OUHK is run jointly by OUHK and Concord Wine
the teaching materials and approach are based on WSET (they are using WSET books), and it aims to provide systematic way fo ... [/quote]
你講O個個Teacher 會唔會係我識o個個呢, He is chinese
tailawyau 2007-1-29 18:00
>>你講O個個Teacher 會唔會係我識o個個呢, He is chinese
係都唔奇
香港飲葡萄酒o既圈子其實都唔算好大
色即是空 2007-1-29 18:10
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-1-29 18:00 發表
>>你講O個個Teacher 會唔會係我識o個個呢, He is chinese
係都唔奇
香港飲葡萄酒o既圈子其實都唔算好大 [/quote]
我識o個個係 L.Lee, concord 幫 ouhk 攪個course o個陣佢響concord 度做..所以當時由佢教, 依家佢離開左concord lu
tailawyau 2007-1-29 18:11
[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2007-1-29 15:07 發表
I think they have course run in HK. Perhaps do a search on WSET and see if there is anything there. [/quote]
There are a number of WSET approved teaching institutes in Hong Kong, you can search them in the following link:
[url]http://www.wset.co.uk/courses/worldwide_study_locations/default.asp?rid=2[/url]
However, if you are leisure drinker and would just like to enhance your knowledge in somewhat easier way (not that professional as sommelier), you can try:
1. course by Simon Tam ([url]www.iwinecentre.com)[/url]
2. course by 香港工會聯合會業餘進修中心 ([url]http://www.hkftustsc.org/chtm/c-t7194.htm)[/url]
tailawyau 2007-1-29 18:14
>>我識o個個係 L.Lee, concord 幫 ouhk 攪個course o個陣佢響concord 度做..所以當時由佢教, 依家佢離開左concord lu
我識佢時佢已經係o係sinolink度做架喇
乜佢有做過concord咩?
我知佢家陣有時都仲會幫ou同concord教書
色即是空 2007-1-30 00:16
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-1-29 18:14 發表
>>我識o個個係 L.Lee, concord 幫 ouhk 攪個course o個陣佢響concord 度做..所以當時由佢教, 依家佢離開左concord lu
我識佢時佢已經係o係sinolink度做架喇
乜佢有做過concord咩?
我知佢家陣有時都仲會 ... [/quote]
香港真係好細, 我識佢o個陣佢仲未入呢行;P;P;P我同佢十幾年朋友:lol:lol
allure 2007-1-30 00:24
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-1-29 18:11 發表
course by Simon Tam ([url]www.iwinecentre.com)[/url]
[/quote]
[color=Teal]simon is nice... and i attended one of his courses before, good for beginners like me...:verygood::verygood::verygood:[/color]
tailawyau 2007-1-30 15:10
>> 香港真係好細, 我識佢o個陣佢仲未入呢行我同佢十幾年朋友
咁熟買酒有無折啊 :)
色即是空 2007-1-30 15:25
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-1-30 15:10 發表
>> 香港真係好細, 我識佢o個陣佢仲未入呢行我同佢十幾年朋友
咁熟買酒有無折啊 :) [/quote]
一箱箱咁買就實有,不過我買親唔多...一支支咁買我多數幫趁超市;P;P;P
可愛老頑童 2007-2-16 07:50
It is about time to give this thread a PUSH ! :)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I just had a not expensive BUT GOOD New Zealand Sauv. Blanc, I thought may be you should try try:
Kim Crawford 2006 Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc.
Now on sale at Ponti for $155 (FEB).
IMHO, it is better than the same from Cloudy Bay.
CHEERS !
tailawyau 2007-2-16 10:59
There are some good NZ Sauvignon Blanc, but you will have to try them out
I will go to Ponti to check your suggestion, thanks
I had one surprisingly nice wine recently - Leeuwin Estate Siblings 2005
As it is Sauvignon Blanc blended with Semillon, charaters of both grapes appear in the wine harmoniously. Easy yet elegant, good for dinner. Will buy again definitely.
可愛老頑童 2007-2-16 18:21
For whatever it is worth, somebody just told me :
Kim Crawford 2006 Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
is one of the Wine Spectator 2006 Top 100 - ranking #40
:)
tailawyau 2007-2-21 12:13
well, Wine Spectator may be a good reference but sometimes and somehow, their recommendations are too American - full body, juicy, sweet, heady, alcoholic...
suits party wine more than wine for slow and silent enjoying
i maybe a bit exaggerated, but if you wish to look for some wine of elegance, try using Decanter as reference would suit you more
可愛老頑童 2007-2-21 17:43
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-2-21 12:13 發表
... i maybe a bit exaggerated, but if you wish to look for some wine of elegance, try using Decanter as reference would suit you more [/quote]
Thanks. :)
kenzo1111 2007-2-22 03:20
One of the main criteria of Wine Spec. is " Value for money" so that is why they always recommends wine around 100HKD such as Paringa Shiraz or Colombia Crest
Grande Estate Chadonnay, cab sau or merlot. All are the all time favorite of Wine Spec which u can see them every year.
recently, no alcohol at all.....busy and busy, hope to touch my wine ASAP.
Nice to see u all keep this thread.
可愛老頑童 2007-2-23 09:40
[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-2-16 18:21 發表
For whatever it is worth, somebody just told me :
Kim Crawford 2006 Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
is one of the Wine Spectator 2006 Top 100 - ranking #40
:) [/quote]
I haven't tried posting any photos on this forum before, so test, test.
:)
tailawyau 2007-2-26 12:17
please share your tasting notes after finishing the bottle
thanks
可愛老頑童 2007-2-27 09:16
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-2-26 12:17 發表
please share your tasting notes after finishing the bottle
thanks [/quote]
[b]My tasting note: GOOD ![/b] :D
Well, since never before have I tried describing a wine, I don't really know kow.
But let me try (from memory):
First thing that comes to mind is it was quite complex, with loads of fruit; evoled in the mouth with quite long finish; medium body; good acidity. Comapared to a recent vintage (forgot what year) Cloudy Bay SB I had a couple months ago, this Kim Crawford was much more complex and pleasing.
Bother Tai, please teach teach. Thx.
:)
barton 2007-3-2 14:40
大家估下減酒稅後葡萄酒會平幾多? 以前如果進口一支 $100 元的酒打稅 $80, 加運費和倉稅後進口商的成本約 $200 左右, 若果 markup 20%-30% 賣給零售商, 零售商的成本大約 $250, 零售商 markup 30-50% 給客人, 到客人手上售價大約要 $350. 現在減了 $40 稅後, 如果利潤不變 (等於變相 markup 多了), 售價是 $310, 那麼消費者其實只是平了 11%. 如果是不經進口商直接進口葡萄酒的商舖, 才有幾會平到 15% 吧.
zeidt 2007-3-6 01:09
其實減稅初期,大行進口嘅party wine的確係會有相當嘅減幅,因為以前水位實在太高;但本地出售嘅fine wine減價水位唔多,因為好多搶手貨響外地都好貼價,依家零售大行放一堆出黎比人搶,只係比下面財爺,睇佢個樣遲d未又係貨源歸邊,舊價出貨!
今晚酒友飯局:
Tua Rita Giusto di Notri Toscana IGT 2003
6:30開,double decant,開頭好香果味,但慢慢收左,八點半左右開始飲,果唔多出,有香料味,finish短.飲到十點左右支酒仲變緊,果出左d,又有d薄荷味,只係少左d層次,finish又唔討好,味唔係好出.
Chapelle d'Ausone 2002
6:00開,double decant,一開有d香氣,酸度足.八點半開始飲, 紅莓味好鮮! 有少少泥土味,有d木桶香,支酒好幼細,風格似Figeac, 一支好高雅嘅酒.
La Dame de Montrose 2000
又係6:00開,double decant,香氣唔多夠,中段有d果出左,但酒精味有d搶,層次唔夠鮮明,飲到正酒嘅影子,但仍未開.
小弟由舊版面睇到依家,響好多高手身上學到野,希望大家多d發言,多d交流!!!
[[i] 本帖最後由 zeidt 於 2007-3-5 17:13 編輯 [/i]]
kenzo1111 2007-3-6 15:59
THx for your report Zeidt!
i am very busy recently and don;t have wine for a long time.
I have idea to call u all out with one bottle each person.
I hope i can arrange it soon.
Hope to meet u all.
Happy new year!
Good wine for good life!
barton 2007-3-8 09:54
舊年份的 fine wine 香港和外地的價格分別不是很大, 但新年份的酒香港貴很多. 就算比星架坡最少都貴 20% 以上. 所以冇可能冇水位的.
Crespo 2007-3-22 16:34
Big brother...any recommandation for the "Merlot"? Below HKD 300 is ok for me...
parklane 2007-3-22 17:00
[quote]原帖由 [i]Crespo[/i] 於 2007-3-22 08:34 發表
Big brother...any recommandation for the "Merlot"? Below HKD 300 is ok for me... [/quote]
Check this link:
[url]http://www.ponti-fwc.com/index.aspx?uc=products_searchresult&Page=2[/url]
The Shafer Merlot is quite good but over your budget. Otherwise the Duckhorn merlot on page 2 should be fine too.
If you accept mixed grapes with primarily merlot, right bank bordeaux will give you more choice.
tailawyau 2007-3-22 18:49
啊, 原來Duckhorn merlot 咁貴架???!!!
唔怪得上次覺得佢掂啦!!!
用木桶比較有節制之餘又有變化, 不過接近成千銀就...
另外我試過支trinity oaks
如果接受到美式肥大風格的話都可以一試
可愛老頑童 2007-3-23 09:05
[quote]原帖由 [i]Crespo[/i] 於 2007-3-22 16:34 發表
Big brother...any recommandation for the "Merlot"? Below HKD 300 is ok for me... [/quote]
From USA:
I was usually not disappointed by Washington's COLUMBIA CREST upper grades of Merlot(s). $300 or below should be plenty.
:)
kenzo1111 2007-3-26 01:39
Columbia Crest Grande Estate serious.
i like the Chardonnay most.
For Merlot below $300.......No idea other than CC. Should choose Area such as Western Aust or Washington. Dry climate and more layers.
If u like big and fat wine, Napa, South Aust such as Hunter Valley should be considered.
One of the interesting area to explore is the South France, there are many new world style new products in the market recently such as Abbott or Michel Lunch Circus.
Enjoy 2007 with lower tax.
可愛老頑童 2007-3-28 15:26
[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2006-11-22 10:04 發表
U can try wine buff in wanchai. ... [/quote]
As I have never been to Wine Buff before, I made a trip to visit at lunch time today. AND... at 1:25pm their blue metal shutter was tightly closed !! :fire: There wasn't any sign outside indicating its opening hours either :fire:
Does anyone know if they are still in business ?
Thanks :)
tailawyau 2007-3-28 15:29
hi all
did any of you have experience in buying old wines from overseas merchants (over Internet) and ship them to HK direct? anything can be shared?
i am interested in some old italian wine at rather reasonable price, but just concern the shipping arrangement and other minor details
parklane 2007-3-29 14:20
[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-3-28 07:26 發表
As I have never been to Wine Buff before, I made a trip to visit at lunch time today. AND... at 1:25pm their blue metal shutter was tightly closed !! :fire: There wasn't any sign outside in ... [/quote]
There is only one person manning the shop and he should be there around 2pm. You can call him to check if he is there already or not. Phone number is 21277560
kenzo1111 2007-3-30 01:57
Master Parklane has come back!!!
Some 2003 Bordeaux have been marketed. i have a bottle d Guaurd Larose second 2003 from Watson's but not yet tried. only 299.
可愛老頑童 2007-3-30 08:24
[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2007-3-29 14:20 發表
There is only one person manning the shop and he should be there around 2pm. You can call him to check if he is there already or not. Phone number is 21277560 [/quote]
Thank You Master [i]parklane[/i] !
:)
parklane 2007-3-30 09:33
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-3-29 17:57 發表
Master Parklane has come back!!!
Some 2003 Bordeaux have been marketed. i have a bottle d Guaurd Larose second 2003 from Watson's but not yet tried. only 299. [/quote]
Please please please, do not call me Master. I am just one of the many many wine lovers here.
Yes 2003 is in the market now and many of them are very tasty even at such young stage. I tried a lot of them and in particular I like the following:
Potent Canet
Pavillon 2nd of margaux
Lascombe
Gurard Larose
Branaire Ducru
Leoville Poyferre
Lagona Barton
La fort de latour
latour
Caurade de lafite
and of course, there are some disappointments.
The current market sentiment is tax reduction so you will see some of the 2003 released from Waston are at very good price but I doubt how long would it last. I suspect in about 3 months time when the tax reduction news is fully digested, the price will go up and up again. So I do suggest anyone like 2003 bordeaux to stock up now. Many of the price is just 100-200 above the cost at En primeur
tailawyau 2007-3-30 16:51
parklane兄
唔使咁謙喎, 你的確係呢度其中一位大師級人馬嘛
似乎近年的Branaire Ducru 同 Lascombe都好穩定
我前排試過佢地o既2002都很不錯
係稍嫌性格唔夠鮮明
不過好飲就ok啦
qazplm 2007-4-16 13:19
Thank you very much~~~~
kenzo1111 2007-4-19 00:06
Potent Canet
Pavillon 2nd of margaux
Lascombe
Gurard Larose
Branaire Ducru
Leoville Poyferre
Lagona Barton
La fort de latour
latour
Caurade de lafite
those are my interested label except Lascombe, from their change and Mark from Parker, u can predict what is inside, really Parker full body wine with lots of fruit.
GKT 2007-4-19 22:15
I also want to share my opinion. Actually, there are many good choices even at supermarkets. My favourites are:
[u]Red wine[/u]
Caurade de lafite, France 2002
Lascombe, France 2001, 2002
Los Vasco Reserve, Chile
Penfolds 128, Australia 2001, 2002
Penfolds 407, Australia 2001, 2003
Penfolds St. Henri's, Australia 2001
Wolf Blass - President Selection, Carb Sau, Australia 2001
Wolf Blass - Grey Label, Shiraz, Australia, 2001, 2002
Wolf Blass - Gold Label, Shiraz, Australia 2002
St. Andrew's, Shiraz, Australia, 2001
[u]White wine[/u]
Fire Valley, Chardonnay, Australia, 2003, 20004
Yangarra Park, Chardonnay, Australia
:beer::beer:
[[i] 本帖最後由 GKT 於 2007-4-19 22:17 編輯 [/i]]
kenzo1111 2007-4-20 01:03
Penfolds 128, Australia 2001, 2002
Penfolds 407, Australia 2001, 2003
Penfolds St. Henri's, Australia 2001
Why not 389? 98, 01 and 02 are very good choice esp 98, has become one of its legend.
GKT 2007-4-20 02:17
[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-4-20 01:03 發表
Penfolds 128, Australia 2001, 2002
Penfolds 407, Australia 2001, 2003
Penfolds St. Henri's, Australia 2001
Why not 389? 98, 01 and 02 are very good choice esp 98, has become one of its legend. [/quote]
Really?! Then, I have to try lor. Thank you!! The above list will be updated later on as I just made it by my memory. I would check my record and list my another favourites here.
Thanks!!:verygood::verygood:
Bro, Kenzo1111. Btw, are you the also called Kaz? I may kno wyou in person wor.
[[i] 本帖最後由 GKT 於 2007-4-20 02:22 編輯 [/i]]
tailawyau 2007-4-20 09:57
St Andrew's Shiraz is really nice, but a bit too expensive in HK
GKT 2007-4-20 16:26
[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-4-20 09:57 發表
St Andrew's Shiraz is really nice, but a bit too expensive in HK [/quote]
Yes, >HKD500 :$:$
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