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[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-6-20 03:26 PM 發表

dejavu兄

係又唔驅呀, :lol:lol不過你方便先好帶喎, 如果多野拎就唔使理我架:verygood:

我又覺得, 如果同一款酒而你又有幾支既話, 未熟時就開黎飲都係好既, 因為反而可以睇到支酒的變化, 到過幾年再飲又會 ... [/quote]


OK, it's a deal - Wendouree.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-6-20 15:52 發表



OK, it's a deal - Wendouree. [/quote]
Shiraz or Malbec:loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes:
really look forward to this lady

but then, what should i bring???:L

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-6-20 05:07 PM 發表

Shiraz or Malbec:loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes:
really look forward to this lady

but then, what should i bring???:L [/quote]


They stocked both.  I hope they are still there.  I think Shiraz is better.  What would you suggest?

Bring something non-Australian lar nor from the New World.  Kenzo doesn't like Aussie.

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-6-20 18:10 發表



They stocked both.  I hope they are still there.  I think Shiraz is better.  What would you suggest?

Bring something non-Australian lar nor from the New World.  Kenzo doesn't like Aussie. [/quote]
i think so, shiraz should be better

French stuff for Kenzo then??  hey, kenzo, your suggestion please

kenzo

寄倉咪得囉, 唔好搵藉口唔猜酒返香港喇

我過關4個ssss.大check 呀!! 行李都查,好彩冇寄!!! 我剛剛係屈仔買了兩支Sociando Mallet 2000 and 2001. 好平! 兩支1100!!

吹雞!!!有局!!

11 July 2007 dinner
要帶酒!
我帶French 啦!不過中等野.....Lafon Rochet 96 or Troplong Mondot 99 or Montrose 99 or Grand Puy lacoste 99 or Carrude De Lafite 98 or Champagne Jacquesson  1996
好嘅Aussie 我都飲呀!!

To dejavu2003,

If you willing to AUD100 a bottle then there are a lot of good Aussie wine for you to select. Try Peter Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz or Penfolds RWT, Yalumba Octivaus. You can find these wine in Australia around AUD100, these brands are considered as preimum wine from South Australia, the quality is much better, even much better than French wine. If you want to have similar quality French wine then I guess you need to pay 3 times more.

[quote]原帖由 [i]GstringLover[/i] 於 2007-6-26 09:47 PM 發表
To dejavu2003,

If you willing to AUD100 a bottle then there are a lot of good Aussie wine for you to select. Try Peter Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz or Penfolds RWT, Yalumba Octivaus. You can find t ... [/quote]


Yeah. These are the premium brands like you said.  But there's only one Wendouree - the best of the best and you won't easily find them in your normal bottle shop.

To dejavu2003,

Have you tried all of them? I have tried all of them and this Wendouree is good but not as you mentioned the best of the best. Penfolds RWT is much better. The best of the best Australian red wine should Penfolds Grange or Henschke Hill of Grace. If you get a chance try all of them then you will know.

[quote]原帖由 [i]GstringLover[/i] 於 2007-6-27 01:49 PM 發表
To dejavu2003,

Have you tried all of them? I have tried all of them and this Wendouree is good but not as you mentioned the best of the best. Penfolds RWT is much better. The best of the best A ... [/quote]


Grange and Hill of Grace -They are probably one of the best.  Best of the best ?  Have you counted RR, Three Rivers, Run Rig ...........  I was also only quoting the statement from brother tailawyau about Wendouree being tbe best of the best.

The Wendouree is meant to be cellared for 25 years and not for today's consumption and we picked it to satisfy someone's curiosity and because it's a rare find.  I am happy to swap that with my stock of RWT if so desired but most people who tried RWT would prefer 707.

I have tried the Grange, but not the Hill of Grace.  But for nearly the same money as RR, the choice is clear.

[[i] 本帖最後由 dejavu2003 於 2007-6-27 14:49 編輯 [/i]]

To dejavu2003

May be Wendouree is good cellared after 25 years but who knows the quality at that time and it also highly depends on how you keep it, agree? To me I will not wait for 25 years to taste the wine, who knows what happen tomorrow.

For Penfolds RWT and Bin 707, these two wines are compeltely different. Bin 707 is Cab. Sau and it is the flagship Cab. Sau for Penfolds, it is a "powerful" wine. For RWT, it is Shiraz and of course the flagship Shiraz of Penfolds is Grange, but the RWT has it own character and it is also a full body wine but not similar to Bin 707 style, it really worth it for this value; of course both RWT & Bin 707 is great wine.

I have tried all the wine you mentioned above, to me Penfolds Grange is the best of the best. Of course, this will depends on what year and it is only my personally opinion. One comment, don't trust those articles in the wine magzines too much. Trust yourself and taste it with your own tongue and mouth. I have seen some articles in a Chinese wine magzine and the content is exactly same as what have mentioned in some wine books in English, the writer just take a bit from each books and translate it to Chinese.

GstringLover

yes, there are plenty of good choices of wine from SA, and all you said are good examples of Australian Shiraz.  i suggest trying Wendouree was because of it is a rare wine in market (or in HK) and it was highly recommended by wine writer 莊布忠, and that is the reason.  indeed, taste is very subjective and personal, perhaps i will report i hate the wine after tasting in dinner, so no need to argue too much

woo~~ you tried all those mentioned by dejavu??  so great, mind share your tasting notes or at least, let us know which years you tried?

回復 #11 VineCellar 的帖子

hey! VineCellar

i tried one about few yrs b4!
i'm agree with u
but i don see many greek wines in the market
do u have any information about it?
plz tell me!

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-6-20 05:07 PM 發表

Shiraz or Malbec:loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes::loveeyes:
really look forward to this lady

L [/quote]

Choice of -

1997 Shiraz Malbec, Cab. Sav Malbec, .... etc  $85
2000 Shiraz                                                $125
2001 Shiraz                                                $125

The choice is clear.

Done.

我全都.........未試過.....大哥比咩野我試都好啦!!
我覺得389,st henri's 已經好rich,  我酒齡淺,經驗少. 或者.. 口味唔同囉!!

呀~!我帶Jacquesson Avize Grand Cru Blanc de Blanc 1996.
支LA mission haute Brion 02..有排都未飲得!!

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-6-26 03:23 發表
11 July 2007 dinner
要帶酒!
我帶French 啦!不過中等野.....Lafon Rochet 96 or Troplong Mondot 99 or Montrose 99 or Grand Puy lacoste 99 or Carrude De Lafite 98 or Champagne Jacquesson  1996
好 ... [/quote]

有興趣brother or 靚女 請pm 我留電話
名額有限:jump::beer:

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-6-28 07:49 PM 發表

支 LA mission haute Brion 02..有排都未飲得[/quote]

我又覺得, 如果同一款酒而你又有幾支既話, 未熟時就開黎飲都係好既, 因為反而可以睇到支酒的變化, 到過幾年再飲又會有另一種體會嘛

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-6-28 21:12 發表


我又覺得, 如果同一款酒而你又有幾支既話, 未熟時就開黎飲都係好既, 因為反而可以睇到支酒的變化, 到過幾年再飲又會有另一種體會嘛 [/quote]

走私的...哈哈,得1支
:lol;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-6-28 07:49 PM 發表


呀~!我帶Jacquesson Avize Grand Cru Blanc de Blanc 1996.
[/quote]



Hey, I have a bottle of Amour de Deutz Champagne, Millesime 1999 Blanc de Blancs given to me by Cathay Pacific during previous trip to thank me for my 10 years continuous membership.  Do you know how good it is?

想請教下各位前輩, 買紅酒櫃有乜好介紹? 同埋有乜嘢要注意?

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-6-29 14:42 發表




Hey, I have a bottle of Amour de Deutz Champagne, Millesime 1999 Blanc de Blancs given to me by Cathay Pacific during previous trip to thank me for my 10 years continuous membership.  Do yo ... [/quote]

i have fair impression from Duetz and it can be available in Watson's.  it seems not bad anyway. :applause:

To kenzo1111,

Penfold's Bin 389 and St. Henri Shiraz are also very good for normal function drinking. If you got a chance try the year 96 Bin 389 and also year 2001 St. Henri, these two years are outstanding year. Of course, I will only drink those premium like Grange, RWT, Hill of Grace in some special evening. If I'm rich enough like Mr. Lee Ka Shing then I'll drink Grange every day.  

To tailawyau,
Sorry I feel sharing the tasting note is useless as what I taste is different from what you think, so I suggest you try it by yourself. Like myself, I hate Merlot and I like Shiraz, Cab. Sau very much, it is true and no point argue, just try it and you can tell me later which one like the most. But I can't tell you the quality of South Australia red wine (Barossa) is great; you will need to pay at 3 times more for the similar quality French wine. Yes the good French wine is very good but you must go for the very expensive one, if you go for the French wine less than HK$500 for just 1 bottle, I will prefer spend my money to get two bottles of Penfold's Bin 389 or 407.

This is my own opinion.

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-6-29 21:03 發表


i have fair impression from Duetz and it can be available in Watson's.  it seems not bad anyway. :applause: [/quote]
[url]http://www.champagne-deutz.com/presentation/index.html[/url]

[quote]原帖由 [i]GstringLover[/i] 於 2007-6-29 21:09 發表
To kenzo1111,

Penfold's Bin 389 and St. Henri Shiraz are also very good for normal function drinking. If you got a chance try the year 96 Bin 389 and also year 2001 St. Henri, these two years ar ... [/quote]
G string lover,
brother, u should come out to join our gathering la...no need to bring Grange..haha
I have 389 98 and still cellar a bottle and tried 2001 St Henri's, just very hard and long time for maturing.

Just like me, i have no favorite on rich Aussie Shiraz but always like blending wine and old world wine.
No arguement also.

bro dejavu

Deutz is one the most economic Champagne available in Watson's.  The quality is not too bad I think, but I have never try their vintage Champagne.  For a vintage Blanc de Blancs, it should be very elegant with style and should be a delicate one.  But I think you should cellar it for a long time in order to let her fully mature

[quote]原帖由 [i]資深球迷2世[/i] 於 2007-6-29 15:27 發表
想請教下各位前輩, 買紅酒櫃有乜好介紹? 同埋有乜嘢要注意? [/quote]
hi 資深球迷2世

首先要睇下你買個櫃做乜先

1.  如果純粹放下日常飲o既酒, 咩牌子基本上都ok, 唯一係要極極極極極極少震動, 否則你o的酒一定報銷

2.  如果真係諗住自己o係屋企long term cellar, 咁就要買好少少o既牌子, 好似transthermo等比較大廠出品會好o的.  仲有千祈唔好用玻璃門, 因為要減低光線o既影響.  更重要係千祈千祈千祈唔好心癢癢手多多, 得閒就開門拎o的酒出黎睇下, 否則用乜櫃都死:nono:

3.  不過如果只係日常餐酒又唔係咩貴o野o既話, 唔用都ok

[quote]原帖由 [i]資深球迷2世[/i] 於 2007-6-29 15:27 發表
想請教下各位前輩, 買紅酒櫃有乜好介紹? 同埋有乜�洐n注意? [/quote]

For what it’s worth, here’s my 2 cents:

I have 2 “cellars”:

[b]Electrolux [/b](non-glass solid door, about $23K, 5~6 years ago):
- No motor, no compressor, therefore no vibration (Put hand on side – can’t feel a thing).
- Temp range measured (with wireless device) a steady 14.2 – 14.4 degrees.
- During 5~6 years, it stopped working once (after ~4 years), called dealer, he said just turn it off 24-36 hours and try it, and it was okay. During shut-sown temp slowly went up and maintained about 18 degrees with cold wines inside. Dealer said possible causes are – cooling liquid frozen or, trapped air bubble.
- Overall I am happy with it, I would buy it again HOWEVER its prices have gone up like crazy.

[b]NordingCave[/b] (glass door, bout $12K, 1~2 years ago)
- It has motor, compressor (Put hand on side – upper part can’t feel vibration but not sure. Lower part YES can feel some vibration – I do worry about this but no proof of wine damage so far.)
- Temp range measured (with wireless device) 13.7 – 14.7.  I wonder if the wines can feel this 1 degree swing. (Personally my body can feel a difference between 25 and 26 degrees!)  
- Would I buy it again – Yes, BUT ONLY for short term storage, like 2 weeks.

Hope others would share their experience also.

:)

多謝兩位前輩賜教:bow:, 但多口一問, 剛剛看電視時, 見新 x 基隨樓附送的紅酒櫃是 Eurocave, 此牌子是否貴嘢? :wondering:

[[i] 本帖最後由 資深球迷2世 於 2007-7-1 09:03 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]資深球迷2世[/i] 於 2007-7-1 09:01 發表
多謝兩位前輩賜教:bow:, 但多口一問, 剛剛看電視時, 見新 x 基隨樓附送的紅酒櫃是 Eurocave, 此牌子是否貴嘢? :wondering: [/quote]


Yes, Eurocave 是貴嘢.

:)

one of the best one,
i use Vintech, ok la

Eurocave is definitely better

唔係喎
eurocave同vintect差不多之嘛
講貴transtherm貴好多又好好多

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-7-2 19:40 發表
唔係喎
eurocave同vintect差不多之嘛
講貴transtherm貴好多又好好多 [/quote]

Kindly tell how Transtherm is 好好多 ? as comapared with Eurocave and Vintect ?

I am considering buying a Transtherm too.

:)

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-7-2 19:40 發表
唔係喎
eurocave同vintect差不多之嘛
講貴transtherm貴好多又好好多 [/quote]

oh yes, i mix up both, transtherm is very expensive,
i saw it in Prince Building before...seems, 30 bottle size needs about 6000? forget la.

[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2007-3-30 09:33 發表


Please please please, do not call me Master.  I am just one of the many many wine lovers here.

Yes 2003 is in the market now and many of them are very tasty even at such young stage.  I trie ... [/quote]


2003 wine are best value... vintage 2000 are best in a long time. 2005's prices are skyrocket.  So, 2003 are best value.

In fact, these are pretty good non-1st growth good French Bordeaux from 2003 according to several major reviewers:


Producer:          Chateau l'Angelus
Region:         France - Bordeaux - St Emilion
Quality:         Premier Grand Cru Classe B
Color:         Red
Type:         Still
Scores
International Wine Cellar:         92
International Wine Cellar:         91-93
International Wine Cellar:         90-93
Drink Dates
Vinfolio:         2009-2022


Producer:          Chateau Leoville Barton
Varietal:         Bordeaux Blend
Region:         France - Bordeaux - St Julien
Quality:         Second Growth
Color:         Red
Type:         Still
Scores
International Wine Cellar:         93
International Wine Cellar:         91-94
Drink Dates
Vinfolio:         2010-2031

Producer:          Chateau Leoville Poyferre
Varietal:         Bordeaux Blend
Region:         France - Bordeaux - St Julien
Quality:         Second Growth
Color:         Red
Type:         Still
Scores
International Wine Cellar:         92
International Wine Cellar:         91-93
International Wine Cellar:         91-94
Drink Dates
Vinfolio:         2008-2023

回復 #178 winwinwinarm 的帖子

1996 is a peculiar wine year for the French Bordeaux region...
It is one year that most 1996 wine in that region are so-so. But, the !996 Chateaux Lafiitte Rothschild is rated tops better than many 1995 greats and just a shade less than the greats of 2000 vintage.

These need to wait until at least 2010 to start enjoying....

[quote]原帖由 [i]可愛老頑童[/i] 於 2007-7-2 23:29 發表


Kindly tell how Transtherm is 好好多 ? as comapared with Eurocave and Vintect ?

I am considering buying a Transtherm too.

:) [/quote]
可愛老頑童兄

據我的酒友講, transtherm之所以咁貴, 係佢o既設計完全係俾你一個"perfect condition for long term cellaring".  即係恆溫恆濕防震等等都係optimal level.
如果有機會可以去sogo 9 定10樓, 有信興個show room, 有transtherm 同vintec 係度可以比較.  淨睇鋼水都會見transtherm係勁d

不過又咁, 我自己覺得如果唔係真係自己cellaring (講緊起碼10年以上), 咁用乜都無乜大所謂.  parklane兄好耐之前提過大陸隻"海爾"其實都ok, 不過我搵黎搵去都搵唔到佢曾經提及o係灣仔o既showroom, 所以無緣了解

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-7-3 08:25 PM 發表

可愛老頑童兄

據我的酒友講, transtherm之所以咁貴, 係佢o既設計完全係俾你一個"perfect condition for long term cellaring".  即係恆溫恆濕防震等等都係optimal level.
如果有機會可以去sogo 9 ... [/quote]


There used to be a Haier showroom in Ocean Centre (somewhere next to Chung Yuen?????).  My friend bought one, and it wasn't very good as it gives out funny noises.

However, Haier is the world's (or US) best selling whitegoods and there must be a reason, although price is definitely one of them.

[quote]原帖由 [i]tailawyau[/i] 於 2007-7-3 20:25 發表

可愛老頑童兄

據我的酒友講, transtherm之所以咁貴, 係佢o既設計完全係俾你一個"perfect condition for long term cellaring".  即係恆溫恆濕防震等等都係optimal level.
如果有機會可以去sogo 9 ... [/quote]

係干落道, 灣仔運動場對面

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2007-7-4 00:19 發表



There used to be a Haier showroom in Ocean Centre (somewhere next to Chung Yuen?????).  My friend bought one, and it wasn't very good as it gives out funny noises.

However, Haier is the wo ... [/quote]

Other than price, i cannot find a reason to buy it.  It is best selling Electric Compliance, the reason should be it is the earlist Chinese brand providing for Chinese international consumption...I think

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-7-3 16:34 發表


係干落道, 灣仔運動場對面 [/quote]

Yes, next to Tom Li Piano.  It is not on the groundlevel but upstair.
What they told me is Haier bought the production line from a German brand years ago so the core of it is designed elsewhere.  I have one and so far it is OK and I will tell the same story why I bought in the first place.  I walked into the showroom in Wanchai, saw the owner stored Petrus, Lafite etc in the Haier cellar and I think if he feel comfortable with it, why shouldn't I.  Price is only one third of famous brand.  The only prblem I have with them is the appearance.  It looks ugly if you put it in your dining room.  But if you put it in the kitchen, it is OK.

Another choice I would recommend is a shop in the Admiralty Center.  They carried Liebraumn (not sure about the spelling).  Very presentable and durable.  I've been using it for many years now.  Quite expensive, around 16,000-18000 for 100 bottles storeage.  Many of my friends bought it already and so far no one complaint.

[quote]原帖由 [i]q2u[/i] 於 2007-7-3 08:34 發表
In fact, these are pretty good non-1st growth good French Bordeaux from 2003 according to several major reviewers:


Producer:          Chateau l'Angelus
Region:         France - Bordeaux - St Emilion
Quali ... [/quote]

Price for leoville poyferre has gone up substantially.  Future price was about 600 all in and now retail price is 1800.  But there4 are still some very good value 03 such as Dilhart Milon and La tour Carnet.  Buy and taste it if you see any

[quote]原帖由 [i]parklane[/i] 於 2007-7-4 11:47 發表


Yes, next to Tom Li Piano.  It is not on the groundlevel but upstair.
What they told me is Haier bought the production line from a German brand years ago so the core of it is designed elsewher ... [/quote]


謝謝各位 Big Brothers, on your wine cellars comments.

Cheers!

:)

Mr Parklane,
we beg on your attendancy on our gathering and it would be my honour to meet u.

[quote]原帖由 [i]kenzo1111[/i] 於 2007-7-4 12:36 發表
Mr Parklane,
we beg on your attendancy on our gathering and it would be my honour to meet u. [/quote]

Please let me know the date and I'll see if I can make it.  I am in and out of HK frequently lately.

多謝各位前輩指教~~ 好有參考價值

[quote]原帖由 [i]資深球迷2世[/i] 於 2007-7-5 16:58 發表
多謝各位前輩指教~~ 好有參考價值 [/quote]

just exhange experience and mistakes..
wellcome

[quote]原帖由 [i]資深球迷2世[/i] 於 2007-7-5 16:58 發表
多謝各位前輩指教~~ 好有參考價值 [/quote]

tell us more about your tasting notes and share your experience la.

哈哈, 小弟的所謂品酒經驗, 實在不足道也, 獻醜不如藏拙