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[quote]原帖由 [i]SPA愛上她[/i] 於 2012-4-13 22:08 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16862776&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
幸運周五 , 見新面孔在大堂 :rose: [/quote]

[color=darkgreen]呢排好似大堂公關轉又轉..............:dizzy:  好多時都見到休息侍應出來幫手。

[quote]原帖由 [i]HJ2127_ATR1[/i] 於 2012-4-13 22:46 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16863073&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]oilking 兄會唔會係要找些深夜 02:00 後的技師 ?  :o 之前講幾個都太早了。 :lol [/quote]
c-hing , u r so smart!!!:clap:

[quote]原帖由 [i]Oilking[/i] 於 2012-4-13 23:59 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16863838&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

c-hing , u r so smart!!!:clap: [/quote]

[color=darkgreen]我都想知，有好料通知我。　;P

Hi, brothers,

Any difference between BG before or after  02.00 ?

Thanks

查証 夜間都有新公關 加入 :rose:

[quote]原帖由 [i]hahadad[/i] 於 2012-4-15 11:57 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16875440&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Hi, brothers,

Any difference between BG before or after  02.00 ?

Thanks [/quote]

After 02:00 many of the BGs grow beards and sharp teeth.  But, fortunately for those BGs, most of the customers at those hours couldn't tell the difference.
;P

I really want to try in there. I think the price should be cheaper than CWB.

[quote]原帖由 [i]C9massage[/i] 於 2012-4-16 00:14 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16879982&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I really want to try in there. I think the price should be cheaper than CWB. [/quote]

比銅鑼灣便宜？什麼意思？？

The business is getting tough... BGs told me that there are a number of new game rules

Increased to 5x to 7x booking orders each months
Those booking order must be by phone.. otherswise the booking order doesn't count..  Thats craxy

[quote]原帖由 [i]danny_partner[/i] 於 2012-4-18 19:55 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16898318&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]The business is getting tough... BGs told me that there are a number of new game rulesIncreased to 5x to 7x booking orders each monthsThose booking order must be by phone.. otherswise the bookin ... [/quote]

都好難個個交到齊單o者。

[quote]原帖由 [i]danny_partner[/i] 於 2012-4-18 19:55 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16898318&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
The business is getting tough... BGs told me that there are a number of new game rules

Increased to 5x to 7x booking orders each months
Those booking order must be by phone.. otherswise the bookin ... [/quote]

Windsor always had minimum hour booking rules for the girls, but for a long time never enforced it.  Perhaps now they want to look for excuses to get rid of the less popular girls??

I know management had a group meeting with the girls a little over a month ago to tell them they now had to come to work on time.  Should they continue to clock in late, they'd have to stay on call to make up for the time they were supposed to be on shift.  In other words, if they come to work an hour late, they'd have to stay an hour longer before they could leave to go home.

唉, too many girls, too few customers. Pressure, and more pressure.

As I mentioned before, Windsor has been hiring more girls to get ready for the new space on the 2nd floor.  Hopefully, when that space opens, supply (bgs) and demand (customers) will be in better balance.  Until that time, though, it is tough for the growing crowd of bgs to make their hours, and their income.  

For Windsor management to put the screws on the girls to drum up more customers in advance of opening up the new space is a bit harsh.  The number of current massage rooms remains fixed, and thus the number of possible customers served at a given time remains fixed.  Cutting up that fixed pie among more girls and then demanding that the girls increase their share of the pie cannot yield good results for either management or the girls.  Though many more customers may benefit from the increase in sexual services many more girls will feel compelled to provide in order to increase their share of the fixed pie, I, as a long-time customer, would not welcome such an outcome.  

Windsor, even before the latest pressure from management, is already a discreet airport guised up as a veggie palace.  This is fine for those that like that service (nod, nod, wink, wink); and for those that prefer straight veggie.  What I can say about Windsor is that, up until recently, most of the girls could actually provide a very good massage whatever your service perferences were.  That seems to be changing.

Many of the new girls I've tried don't have the massage skills to survive in a veggie environment.  And many of these girls make it clear that VAS is on the menu for the first visit.  Windsor is fast becoming a non-discreet airport.  And I think management knows this, if not indeed is encouraging this transition.  I have heard from bgs coming from 維港 that Windsor PR has asked those former 維港 bgs to "'take care' of this old Windsor customer" (nod, nod, wink, wink) before the customer enters the room.

I have seen transitions like this happen before: veggie to airport; airport to FS.  The result is that many good bgs will end up leaving because (1) it wasn't what they originally signed up for, (2) they lose control over which customers they are willing to serve, and (3) they cannot (and do not want to) compete with newer bgs who are willing to provide a greater array of sexual services, often for less money (tips).  For those of us who still like a good skillful massage irregardless of VAS, we will certainly lose out in the end.  Just look at 維港 as an example; there are very few good capable bgs working there now; most customers go there strictly for the airport+ experience now.

If Windsor management reads this thread (and I know some in management occasionally do), please hear my plea to keep the standards at Windsor closer to veggie status.  That means to reduce pressure on the girls to generate more bookings from customers, at least until the new space opens.

And when the new space opens, management must try to keep the supply of bgs in line with the number of customers.  Too many bgs, too few customers, yields a bad sauna in the end.

Brothers, what do you think?

[[i] 本帖最後由 observer2012 於 2012-4-19 13:25 編輯 [/i]]

I think the BG provide VAS to customer is one of the easiest way to make them visit more frequently. But in the other end, customer is easy to get bored and want to get a new BG to provide VAS. At the end of the day, the BG is still can't keep the customer to book her! That's a bad cycle and the BG will be the biggest loser!
Personally, I would like to keep visit the same BG because of their dup skill which suit me. It takes quite a while for me to look for the right BG who can dup me comfortably. I don't mean other BG dup skill is not good but just not suit me! The most important thing, everytime I visit Windsor, my prime objective is dup but not VAS. If I want VAS or FS, I'll go to King's where can fulfill my need and it's cheaper, happy too! Understand some bro like to go to a place can provide all the service, but i don't think Windsor is the right place.
One interesting thing, King's has 2 type of BG - pure dup BG and non pure dup BG. I found the pure dup BG actually their skill is very good, even better than some BG in Windors. It's just the overall decoration in King's is much lower than Windsor. People keep saying King's is expensive but I don't agree with that. For 2 sections of pure dup + 1 section FS, the damage is around $1100 all inclusive. If I go to Windsors, 2 sections of dup already cost around $700-800 (included tips). $300-400 more can get FS too in King's which is very good price!
This is only my opinion, no offense!:byebye: :byebye:

[quote]原帖由 [i]observer2012[/i] 於 2012-4-19 12:20 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16902736&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
As I mentioned before, Windsor has been hiring more girls to get ready for the new space on the 2nd floor.  Hopefully, when that space opens, supply (bgs) and demand (customers) will be in better bala ... [/quote]

One of the things the management did recently was to make a rule that [b]all [/b]lights must be on in the room - meaning the spot lights under the light trough ... but they changed these light bulbs to very dim LED lights - which really defeats the purpose !

On the present discussion, the Windsor management have been hiring many new girls and yet increased the number of 'mark' clients they must achieve in 1 month (for the special hour girls it went from 50 to 70 which is a 40% increase) !!!
To me their intention is pretty clear - they want to get rid off the old girls and want to install 'fresh blood' - only the most popular old girls are able to stay because they have enough repeat clients. New girls, like you say, needs to do anything they can to achieve this quota - which means anything to please their client !

Its a real pitty, Windsor (new and old) have always managed to pretty much maintain some standard in the girls they hire and the level of the massage they give to the client ... unfortunately they are moving towards what they think is what the market wants ... and more unfortunately, its us clients who cherish a good massage more then anything else will loose out !  

The only think I can think off is to give the good massage girls enough business so they are able to remain in business !

I'm in a reporting mood today ... the marks I give is based from 1 to 10 (1 being lowest and 10 being highest)


Number :  [color=darkred]108[/color]

Face: [color=darkred]7[/color]  Pleasant face with great smile
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Body: [color=darkred]7[/color]  Small frame

Overall Appearance:[color=darkred] 8[/color]

Skill: [color=#8b0000] 9[/color]  [b]Very good massage[/b], knows pressure points well, knows how to massage well

Strength : [color=darkred]8  [/color][color=black]strong for her size, strong compared with other girls in Windsor[/color]

Chemistry: [color=darkred]9[/color]  good chemistry, very pleasant, perky and happy personality, she knows when to talk to you and when not to

Recommendation: [color=darkred]8[/color]

Repeat (for me):  [color=darkred]10[/color]
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[color=darkred][color=black]I know I will get the usual question about VAS - all I can say is I am more interested in getting a good / great massage ! (I hope you get my drift)[/color][/color][color=darkred]

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[[i] 本帖最後由 twiceAweek 於 2012-4-19 14:39 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]安全[/i] 於 2012-4-19 14:08 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16903339&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I think the BG provide VAS to customer is one of the easiest way to make them visit more frequently. But in the other end, customer is easy to get bored and want to get a new BG to provide VAS. At the ... [/quote]

What you say here about customers moving on to other BGs is quite accurate, and many of the senior BGs know this (by senior, I mean girls that have been working at Windsor longer).  They tell me that Windsor customers have changed a lot over the past 1-1.5 years.  熟客越來越少了. Customers in general have become much more 花心, pressuring for VAS during their first visit, tipping as little as possible, and then changing to other BGs much more readily.  So some girls have resorted to asking for large tips to make the customer either put up or go away.  But these girls know in the end that, if more and more customers are no longer looking for skilled massage, they really have no future at Windsor, especially in light of more younger, more willing girls getting hired.  So we will certainly see more senior girls leaving if the present environment continues on its present course.

Personally, I do not want to see Windsor management lowering its standards to cater towards the lowest common denominator market.  But maybe I'm not the customer that Windsor wants anymore.  Although I visit often and tip well, in the end the girl gets most of my tip, so perhaps Windsor doesn't really care about me or customers like me.  What Windsor may be looking for now is greater customer churn (turnover) and hourly billing, which goes more directly into their pocket.  If more total hours can be booked for the company by hiring more girls to be on call, then the company may be happy with this arrangement.  But this makes it harder for girls to find new customers, which mostly occur from new walk-in customers being randomly assigned to waiting girls.  With so many girls waiting, there just aren't enough new customers to go around.  Then to expect the girls to have more and more customers book them by phone, well, this just isn't realistic.

I can only promise Windsor management that if all my girls leave, then I'll leave too.

I think one of my replies was just deleted ... the one asking about where Kings is located

did I break any rules or asking something like this is not allowed ???

[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-19 15:45 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16903898&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]I think one of my replies was just deleted ... the one asking about where Kings is locateddid I break any rules or asking something like this is not allowed ??? [/quote]


I saw that post of yours too.
No idea why it disappeared.
You can simply repost it.

[quote]原帖由 [i]安全[/i] 於 2012-4-19 14:08 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16903339&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I think the BG provide VAS to customer is one of the easiest way to make them visit more frequently. But in the other end, customer is easy to get bored and want to get a new BG to provide VAS. At the ... [/quote]


quick question ... where is King's ?
is it in North Point about 1 block away from Windsor ?
:beer:

[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-19 16:13 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16904051&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]quick question ... where is King's ? is it in North Point about 1 block away from Windsor ?:beer: [/quote]

I presume that 安全兄 was referring to that joint .

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Yes, you are correct!:loveliness:

[quote]原帖由 [i]安全[/i] 於 2012-4-19 17:55 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16904634&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Yes, you are correct!:loveliness: [/quote]


I thought King's price at $1.1K  was for 1 session massage and 1 session FS ... or has that changed recently ?

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[quote]原帖由 [i]carmanlam8888[/i] 於 2012-4-20 08:07 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16909055&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
even my girl friend asked me what happened to Windsor
she also goes to Windsor but I think the BG (for ladies) has told her the changes
she asked me not to purchase the coupon once I finish all of t ... [/quote]

Wow! Now we even have Carmanlam's girlfriend reporting on Windsor!!  ;P

I also have two female friends who, as customers, heard the same thing from their bgs at Windsor.  :L

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[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-19 14:12 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16903356&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


Its a real pitty, Windsor (new and old) have always managed to pretty much maintain some standard in the girls they hire and the level of the massage they give to the client ... [/quote]

Yes, this is what is really going out the window now.  Windsor doesn't seem interested in maintaining a minimum quality standard of massage for it customers anymore.  To say it again, many of the new girls I've tried don't have the massage skills to survive in a pure veggie environment.

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[quote]原帖由 [i]dssdsdwsdw[/i] 於 2012-4-20 12:34 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16910194&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

大家的注意力巳放在是否後生？身材好？女友feel?服務好等等。 [/quote]

These are very important things to consider when you are face down looking through a hole into dark space!!  ;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]observer2012[/i] 於 2012-4-20 12:42 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16910236&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


These are very important things to consider when you are face down looking through a hole into dark space!!  ;P [/quote]

:lol
true ... but men will always be men ... sometimes, we think with another part of our body rather then our head !

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:lol
true ... but men will always be men ... sometimes, we think with another part of our body rather then our head ! [/quote]

Or, perhaps more accurately, men are two-headed creatures!  :lol

請問查牌點样先算密, 例如每月3次, 5次, 7次 ？

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[quote]原帖由 [i]dssdsdwsdw[/i] 於 2012-4-21 09:12 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16916502&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
一般出名的真真正正齋場，半年才可能查一次
油尖旺開心大場一個月大約五六次
這場大約二星期內一至二次 [/quote]

[color=darkgreen]暫時我未遇過在 Windsor 查牌。

會唔會係控煙辦查牌。 :o

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做咗煙壹啤 伊人與可人

初會伊人 細心關懷

再遇可人 更加安穩

[[i] 本帖最後由 SPA愛上她 於 2012-4-21 17:04 編輯 [/i]]

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[quote]原帖由 [i]carmanlam8888[/i] 於 2012-4-23 08:02 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16930583&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
that's true
the other night with some female customers sitting on the floor
I heard two men discussing the BGs (body shape and services provided in room) openly on the floor. The female customers le ... [/quote]


can you please elaborate what you just said ...
a female customer left because she heard male customers talking about the BGs and because of this you feel the sauna should not cater to female customers ???  don't understand your logic !

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I have a question for everyone ...

Windsor have now raised the suggested tip for the girls to be at least $150 for 2 sessions

what would you do if you find the girl's skill / strength to be below your expectations ?

also what if you find the BG's performance below average but not so bad that one needs to actually complain ?

how does one tip in these situations ???

[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-24 11:33 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16938649&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Windsor have now raised the suggested tip for the girls to be at least $150 for 2 sessions

what would you do if you find the girl's skill / strength to be below your expectations ?

also what if you find the BG's performance below average but not so bad that one needs to actually complain ? ... [/quote]


The problem from Windsor's point of view, which reflects many of the bgs' opinions, is that there are too many customers who are . . . let's see, how to say this . . . uh . . . [b]CHEAP!!  :jaw:   [/b]So Windsor is trying to protect the girls' income to some minimum level.  If a customer can't afford the HK$75/session minimum tip, then neither the bgs nor Windsor really want you for a customer!! :butwiggle:

I know bgs who've had to deal with repeating customers who would only book them for ONE SESSION, and then would only pay HK$50 tip for that session.  By doing these customers, the bgs were not making any real income while losing their spot in the queue to do a two-session customer who might at least pay HK$100/session tips.  Sort of a double-sting.  So I can sympathise with skilled, hardworking bgs who get bad customers.

But there are bgs at Windsor whose skills aren't worth my time either.  For these girls, I would pay a HK$100/session tip if their skills are in the range of average, but not book them again.  If they are really bad, I will end the session before the second session begins, and pay the minimum tip for the one session.  In these very rare cases, I will make up a reason to leave early.  For such bgs, I may tell 寶文 that the girl was really sub-par, then, if I still have time, re-book another girl.  It will get back to the first bg by one channel (management) or another (second bg) that she wasn't up to par.

Nonetheless, if Windsor is going to set a minimum tip, and raise it over time, then I'd like to see them invest in having a 師傅 test the bgs' skills at the point of hire, and perhaps provide some further checks and ongoing training [i](at Windsor's expense)[/i] where needed; perhaps once a month for the first three months of hire.  Windsor does offer training by a 師傅 if the bgs want it, but the bgs have to pay out of their own pocket for the training, which most bgs understandably decline to do, as it isn't cheap.  I think the price I heard once from a bg was in the neighbourhood of HK$5000. :L  It would be to the advantage of all (customers, bgs, and Windsor) if Windsor invested in establishing and maintaining a higher standard of bg skill.  After all, Windsor would have us believe that it is a better class of sauna/spa . . .

[[i] 本帖最後由 observer2012 於 2012-4-25 00:10 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]observer2012[/i] 於 2012-4-24 19:08 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16940718&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]



The problem from Windsor's point of view, which reflects many of the bgs' opinions, is that there are too many customers who are . . . let's see, how to say this . . . uh . . . CHEAP!!  :jaw:    ... [/quote]


I don't believe Windsor have a sei-fu that teaches entry girls anymore, but I might be wrong.

When I find myself with a girl that can't massage properly I usually still go through the sessions and pay the tip anyway - with a reminder to myself not to try her again. This has never happened to me in Windsor as (so far - touch wood) the ones I've tried has been up to standard.

But this is what a friend of mine told me when he did a repeat of a BG there ... her massage skills were OK to good (she's been quite popular in Windsor for sometime) so he did 3 sessions with her the first time and tipped her $100 per session.
Second time with her, he again asked for 3 sessions, everything was well until the middle of the 2nd session when she started to talk about how much tips other clients gives her and how the ones that only gives $100 per session are cheap, how it was hard for her to make a living with so many girls in competition etc etc etc ... this went on until the end of the 3 sessions !!!
so for more then 1 hour he had to endure her ranting ...

how does one tip under these circumstances ?  
$100 per session is not great but not bad either !

Regarding cfu teaching underskilled girls,in the past there have been one or two occasions when a veteran cfu was  called upon to teach newly-joined girls on an adhoc basis.

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[quote]原帖由 [i]白貓兒[/i] 於 2012-4-25 16:07 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16945549&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Regarding cfu teaching underskilled girls,in the past there have been one or two occasions when a veteran cfu was  called upon to teach newly-joined girls on an adhoc basis. [/quote]

Well, Windsor should get that cfu back on line.  Maybe put her on salary to make it worth her time to help out.  I'd say at least 50% of the current technicians at Windsor need training.  A customer should be able to walk in and expect a better-than-average massage from any assigned technician.  It's pretty much hit-or-miss now.  Given the cost of a massage there, and the caliber of sauna that Windsor wants us to believe it is, this shouldn't be the case.

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[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-25 15:58 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16945512&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
how does one tip under these circumstances ?  
$100 per session is not great but not bad either ! [/quote]

$100/session tip for pure veg is fine.  My regular bgs all tell me most girls are quite happy to get $100/session tips.  So if a bg, [i]in the regular line of vegan duty[/i], complains that $100/session is "cheap", and talks about this all during the massage, you can complain to 寶文 or at the front desk on your way out.  But don't do this lightly; Windsor does punish bgs who whine for tips.  These girls can be taken out of the customer queue for days or even weeks, and must then rely solely on direct customer bookings for their income during that time.

Now if your friend was pushing for VAS, many bgs do make it clear that $100/session is below market.  If this was the case (or is the case, should that be the case for all you VAS cases :hamsup: ), then please don't complain to management that the girl was whining about tips.  Ideally, a girl should state her price just once, and the customer should either put up or shut up at that point.  If she doesn't stop talking about tips because the customer won't stop requesting something extra, then you've both put commerce ahead of atmosphere and get what you deserve. :slap:

Again, complain to management only for situations that are pure veg in nature.

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[quote]原帖由 [i]twiceAweek[/i] 於 2012-4-25 15:58 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16945512&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
everything was well until the middle of the 2nd session when she started to talk about how much tips other clients gives her and how the ones that only gives $100 per session are cheap ... [/quote]

I'm cueing into "everything was well until the middle of the 2nd session", which suggests that "something popped up" at that point to warrant the ongoing monologue on tips.  You may want to check with your friend about this, just to put that customer's grumble into proper context.

When "things pop up", many bgs at Windsor see an income opportunity, and can be a bit 硬銷. :lol  As discusssed previously, more bgs seem to be more aggressive about offering VAS now, which is pushing Windsor closer to the open airport category among HK saunas.

[quote]原帖由 [i]observer2012[/i] 於 2012-4-26 10:05 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=16950008&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


I'm cueing into "everything was well until the middle of the 2nd session", which suggests that "something popped up" at that point to warrant the ongoing monologue on tips.  You may want to check  ... [/quote]


I first want to state I agree on almost all the things you have said so far about the state of affairs in Windsor, I see and also hear from others the exact same things being discussed here

For myself, I usually stick to the few regular BGs I know but I also have tried some new BGs recently and found their massage skills to be acceptable, so far in the new Windsor, I have not experienced any BG that I found their skills to be unacceptable.
I thank my lucky stars !

I'm not going to ask my friend more as I don't think the comfort level is there for us to go into details, all I told him is to find another BG and not do her again ... she is experienced in Windsor (though I never tried her) but she just lost a decent client as he likes to repeat and the only reason he tried her was because his regular ones left or didn't work on that day, he thought her massage was good so he repeated.

all I think from all this is ... usually a "more experienced" BG would not do any added service the first time with a client, when this client repeats she already knows how much he tiped previously, so it goes on from there ... it seems the newer BG would offer the added services the first time ...

so back to my question - if a client only wants a massage (no VAS) and he got a poor massage because the girl is unable to give one ... [b]is it justified for Windsor to raise the m[/b][font=Times New Roman][size=3][color=#000000][b]inimum tip when the level of their BGs drop ?[/b]  [/color][/size][/font][font=Times New Roman][size=3][color=#000000][/color][/size][/font]
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[font=Times New Roman][size=3][color=#000000]I am fully aware of the cheap clients Windsor have (especially [/color][/size][/font][font=Times New Roman][size=3][color=#000000]at night - mostly after 1 am) and [b]I fully endorse everyone to tip the BG over and above the minimum set[/b] but I also want to make it clear that we, as clients, have our rights to receiving a decent massage when we go there. [/color][/size][/font]