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[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]CY+Kong[/i] ©ó 2011-9-12 15:33 µoªí [url=http://xocat.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15283440&ptid=320727][img]http://xocat.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


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not tall...

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]CY+Kong[/i] ©ó 2011-9-12 12:35 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15282478&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


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agreed. :Q :Q :Q :Q :Q

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[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]carmanlamlam[/i] ©ó 2011-9-14 08:13 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15298346&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Is it a standard or rules here in this forum?
Seems like you only apply in this Windsor page and not the others........ [/quote]

Only recentlly I have dealt with a privacy issue in a upstairs shop thread, involving a bg who has left the field.

Seems like? Do you read other threads and the actions I take (especially when called upon by other members as
I cannot know about other shops as well, as in just this upstairs shop).

[url=http://forum.timway.com/f/viewthread.php?tid=494554&extra=&page=2]http://forum.timway.com/f/viewthread.php?tid=494554&extra=&page=2[/url]

post 42-51

Just another example:

[url=http://forum.timway.com/f/viewthread.php?tid=474979&page=1#pid14505715]http://forum.timway.com/f/viewthread.php?tid=474979&page=1#pid14505715[/url]

Another thread which has been 'recycled' (xocat's decision based on my recommendation)
¡uXX®á®³°ª¼h²]Å]¡v
(because of possible liability of ¥Á¨Æ½ÚÁ½....)

Today's action:

[url=http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-509694-1-1.html]http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-509694-1-1.html[/url]

poster posted nude photo of  bg (it cannot be ascertained whether he has the approval of the bg,
even if he claims, though he doesn't!)      poster banned and nude photo removed!

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-14 13:30 ½s¿è [/i]]

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[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]bfung100[/i] ©ó 2011-9-14 10:57 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15299135&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
¦P·N¡C§Ú­ÌÁ¿§¹´N¥i¥H©ç©ç§¾ªÑ¸m¨­¨Æ¥~¡ABGÁÙ­n¦b¨º¸Ì¤u§@ªº¡C [/quote]

thanks. :handshake

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]carmanlamlam[/i] ©ó 2011-9-14 10:42 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15299050&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
brother white kitty , respect your decision. But in the future can we comment on individual bg service ? Whether good or bad as its important to let other brothers know especially some bad experience. ... [/quote]

I think If we guys report the facts, we should not ³ø³ß¤£³ø¼~. In fact no criticism no improvement.

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]bb3808[/i] ©ó 2011-9-14 13:35 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15299929&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


I think If we guys report the facts, we should not ³ø³ß¤£³ø¼~. In fact no criticism no improvement. [/quote]

The ideal situation is a specific complaint about bg/staff menber (with bg number/staff name specified) is responded to by
another post that presents another side. Then it is up to the individual to decide how much he believes in the complaint.
Take as an example in this thread [b]post 4062[/b], followed by [b]post 4071[/b]...... Otherwise it is so hard to decide whether a complaint is truthful, whether it is fair to the bg/staff member in question.

Note that takashi11 posted once and for all a complaint (post 4062) on 27 August. [b]He has never posted again to further clarify any details
when his complaint was queried[/b]. On the one hand as long as members do not harm individual bg/staff member,
I do not want to censor anything. But if you post a complaint and then never come back to answer questions for clarification,
you are not responsible enough, merely exercising your so called freedom of speech just when you like it.

Note that all the same, I have not censored takashi11's complaint.

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-14 13:55 ½s¿è [/i]]

Then, I have censored 4198, posted by CY Kong,deleting half of his post, because that half could cause trouble to the bg (though I don't think he meant to do so), whose number could be traced from preceding posts.
Note that again, after CY Kong posted that post, he did not return to the forum for days,
or checked the PM that I sent him concerning my censoring until after Mid Autumn Festival.
That's why I posted my 4203.

In 4208, bfung100  was right in saying that we should not think'§Ú­ÌÁ¿§¹´N¥i¥H©ç©ç§¾ªÑ¸m¨­¨Æ¥~'

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-16 09:28 ½s¿è [/i]]

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[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]SPA·R¤W¦o[/i] ©ó 2011-9-16 07:00 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15314264&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
­¹咗¸J¥Íª£Äz¦Ì¶º , ²³¤H»ô¥[³\ ¥¿:applause: [/quote]

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What happened to Windsor?
I am new to the forum but I massage in Windsor for years even in old Windsor
But in the past 6-12 months, seems like the management has changed their style
In the past I enjoy massage there since most of the BGs there are experienced, the place is nicely decorated
Not until recently, they hired a lot of young BGs, of course as a guy, I like pretty young girls too
But then the problems started.....

Even the traditional BGs (I won't mention the number as I can see some borthers said not to pick individual BG #) who used to be very professional in vegie massage now asked me if I want VAS/HJ. Why????
Not to mention those new joints, they provide that definitely or even give me some hint on that.
I can tell you, maybe most of you know already
About half of the BGs (both day and night shfts, especially night shift) now offer HJ to customers
Are they going to change the style there?

Even my female friends who also go to Windsor got that information from some BGs
I wonder if the management wants to do it this way now
Don't tell me the management doesn't know and it seems to me the management is converting Windsor to a VAS/HJ massage place
If they want Windsor to pretend like a high class spa but actually a "Plance service massage"
that's fine but then I will look at it differently

Brother WhiteKitty, looks like you are a semi-spoke person of the sauna
Any view or comments on it?

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]makemyday[/i] ©ó 2011-9-16 12:16 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15315675&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
What happened to Windsor?
I am new to the forum but I massage in Windsor for years even in old Windsor
But in the past 6-12 months, seems like the management has changed their style
In the past I e ... [/quote]


I will not refuse to say anything on the issue of VAS, provided that no bg numbers are mentioned.

I would not say they are 'converting the place'.
If what you say about the new bgs is true, I think they need to be more [i]discreet[/i].
If you, makemyday, is a regular visitor to the place, I'd advise you to be discreer too.
Honestly, I do not think you are new to the forum.

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-16 14:27 ½s¿è [/i]]

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Hello fellow sauna patrons, my first post here so please be gentle with me  :loveliness:

I've been going to saunas in HK for over 25 years now and in my opinion HK is THE best place to be for massages plus a few things on the side compared to any place in the world (that I've been to) !

I've been a long time reader of this forum, especially in this Windsor thread as I go there often

I feel I should voice my opinion and agree with bro Whitekitty's stance in not allowing names/numbers of sauna girls that gives us added services to be published in an open forum. If we are to continue enjoying their services we should protect these girls any way we can ... by being discreet !
I also believe that this rule should apply to all threads with sauna girls that gives us added services. I hope everyone here understands why this is necessary and complies,

I hope to be sharing more sauna experiences with you in the near future :verygood:


[there's no thank you / handshake Àq»{ªí±¡ in this engine ?]

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ twiceAweek ©ó 2011-9-16 23:34 ½s¿è [/i]]

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Definitely, we should be sensitive to others' feelings. Enjoying massagie doesn't meet you can intrude into their privacy. Behave yourself, be a gentleman.

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]makemyday[/i] ©ó 2011-9-16 12:16 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15315675&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
What happened to Windsor?
I am new to the forum but I massage in Windsor for years even in old Windsor
But in the past 6-12 months, seems like the management has changed their style
In the past I e ... [/quote]

I also noticed that they've been hiring younger girls over the past year but the massage provided by these girls have been OK, not great, but acceptable.
So far, with these new girls I've only had one below average massage !

I believe they just hired #55 a month or so back, she's a master masseuse (she was #25 in the old Windsor)
and she's one of the very few I would let walk on my back. Would recommend her to anyone that wants a good strong massage !
Although I haven't seen her after her return I think she's working on the early shift.

On the subject of added services by these girls ... I believe it has more to do with compitition because the sauna have hired so many new girls,
they just want to keep their customer, hoping they would 'mark' them the next time.  But as bro Whitekitty said, we need to be discreet and the girls themselves should know better and also be discreet and not talk about other girls .... but i guess it's difficult keeping women talking about other women ! :Q

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ twiceAweek ©ó 2011-9-16 23:36 ½s¿è [/i]]

Thanks very much for all the above supportive opinions.

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-16 23:57 ½s¿è [/i]]

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]SPA·R¤W¦o[/i] ©ó 2011-9-16 07:00 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15314264&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
­¹咗¸J¥Íª£Äz¦Ì¶º , ²³¤H»ô¥[³\ ¥¿:applause: [/quote]

not available tonite! :(

Met  Ah Wing, newly-joined night shift locker here whom I have known for more than a decade. :wave:

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]twiceAweek[/i] ©ó 2011-9-16 23:25 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15320361&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]I also noticed that they've been hiring younger girls over the past year but the massage provided by these girls have been OK, not great, but acceptable.So far, with these new girls I've only ha ... [/quote]
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[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-17 00:18 ½s¿è [/i]]

Support White Kitty C Hing!
Make sense, a fair deal. :lol :lol :lol

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[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¨¸°©¤pÅQ¤ý ©ó 2011-9-17 00:27 ½s¿è [/i]]

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]¨¸°©¤pÅQ¤ý[/i] ©ó 2011-9-17 00:12 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15320813&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
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I deleted the part that you quoted me, but did not amend your own comments.
That part I wrote and then deleted was due to my misunderstanding.

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-17 00:30 ½s¿è [/i]]

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]¥Õ¿ß¨à[/i] ©ó 2011-9-17 00:28 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15320942&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]I deleted the part that you quoted me, not your own comments. That part I wrote and then deleted was due to my misunderstanding. [/quote]
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[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]¨¸°©¤pÅQ¤ý[/i] ©ó 2011-9-17 00:30 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15320968&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

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Because that is not reversible (I cannot add marks after deduction),
let me add marks to this latest post of yours to make up.

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There will always be suspicious people in this world, and it looks like you are one of them !

Let me clear things up ... I am not Whitekitty, I have never met him and I have only talked to him in another froum briefly some months ago.

I am a moderator of another forum in HK (which includes a sauna section) and if anyone have been in that forum, they will know me by the same name
The reason why I started participating in this forum is because I'm seeing some members trying to openly talk about BGs that should not be talked about in an open forum , another reason why I'm here is because I wanted to share with bros here some of my sauna experiences.

I want to tell you this ... if anyone participating in my sauna forum trying to bend the rules on not posting name/numbers of girls they will be delt with swiftly, bro Whitekitty has already been very lenient here in this forum !!!


*  bro Whitekitty, if you think my presence here will cause any problems, let me know and I will remove myself from this forum

Set-off.¦hÁ¡I

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¨¸°©¤pÅQ¤ý ©ó 2011-9-17 00:49 ½s¿è [/i]]

I'm at a loss on just what happened here, there were some posts deleted that I didn't see, if I misunderstood then apologies to all !

Bro twiceAweek,

Hi there :handshake . I was so blind to overlook your renowned name.
Thanks for joining us here after all, and let me return my hospitality after
being received into your forum. :handshake

Thanks again for gracing me with your kind support here.
Yes, you are right to say that there are dubious identities and comments around in different forums,
Of course I would be obliged if you would remain here and post from time to time as you desire.
You understand very well, and need no reminder, that there can be no im-/ explict mentioning of
the name of the forum which you moderate.

Well, I guess I have been trying to be understanding without being unduly lenient. :lol

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-17 09:46 ½s¿è [/i]]

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]¥Õ¿ß¨à[/i] ©ó 2011-9-17 00:48 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15321201&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Bro twiceAweek,

Hi there :handshake . I was so blind to overlook your renowned name.
Thanks for joining us here after all, and let me return my hospitality after
being received by you in your fo ... [/quote]

And a big hi to you too !  :handshake  
haven't seen you around in my forum recently ...
not to worry, I had no intention of mentioning which forum, but had to get the facts straight when someone insinuates I'm your double  :fire:
I'm only here to share and when needed just to give my opinions ...

[quote]­ì©«¥Ñ [i]twiceAweek[/i] ©ó 2011-9-17 01:02 µoªí [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=15321391&ptid=320727][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


when someone insinuates I'm your double  :fire:
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:bow: Thanks for siding with me.

[[i] ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¥Õ¿ß¨à ©ó 2011-9-17 09:04 ½s¿è [/i]]

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