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IT 行業的難處

其實 IT 真的不太好做...尤以在一些小公司內當IT人員更加慘...
因為老闆通常都會叫你什麼都要搞, 但係一講到錢就無行...
所以有些IT人因而要冒險安裝非法軟件, 最後海關會追究邊個?
自己想想啦...:L:L:L

Totally agreed. IT is really a rough and tough job.

For intellectual property, I include the related links below.

[url=http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_mgt/software_mgt_c.htm]http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_mgt/software_mgt_c.htm[/url]

[url=http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_law/software_piracy_law_c.htm]http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_law/software_piracy_law_c.htm[/url]

[url=http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_fact/software_piracy_fact_c.htm]http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_fact/software_piracy_fact_c.htm[/url]

$100和5張郵票,郵遞名單事業賺錢方法

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我是一個工程佬專門幫電腦機房做基建工程，即空調、電源、消防、漏水檢測等，經常都碰到客人說大老板未批錢，不能接納我們提議的最佳方案，只能隨便做點小修改應付一下。要知很多時都會令到機房裡的安排違反電例及消防例，到出事時也不知誰人該負責，頂罪的會是大老板嗎？

[[i] 本帖最後由 BEng 於 2006-9-3 04:20 PM 編輯 [/i]]

The best time for IT has gone. Better change industry as soon as you can....

夕陽行業.............

I'm totally agree with you.

完全感同身受啦

How difficult? I show an example below to illustrate how difficult it is:L, and also this example is related to Bayesian probability for your calculation if you are interested in:P.

IT implemented a new system or performed a system modification due to business needs.

There will be 2 scenarios, 1st is implemented the system successfully in view of meeting the user requirements, project timeframe and budget, or another scenario is project failure including not fit to user requirement, overbudget, project delay. We simply put the probability for each scenario as 50%.

And also there will be another 2 scenarios for business using or not using the system, Business performed good and met the target or Business performed poorly due to not meeting the target or even suffering a loss. Again we simply put the probability of each scenario as 50%.

For good system and good business, Business users may have the responses of (1) appreciating IT's work or, (2) ignoring IT's work or, (3) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 33% for simplicity.

For good system and bad business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

For bad system and good business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

For bad system and bad business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

Now the questions are:
What is the probability of IT's work being appreciated:'(?
What is the probability of IT's work being ignored:(?
What is the probability of IT's work being blamed or complained:Q?

你咁樣寫一段野,我真係好懷疑有冇人會睇完,再回答你

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See if the example can be more visible

[[i] 本帖最後由 有性格 於 2006-9-8 06:26 PM 編輯 [/i]]

回復 #11 fwu19 的帖子

用圖易明好多。

想問點樣貼個chart上黎？

回復 #5 antivirus 的帖子

真係做個行厭個行，睇左咁多版，個個都話自已入錯行。

agreed

Like other career, IT need to be specialize too. IT people also need to pick one area too dig into it. I guest the problem is many of us stop study or gain more experience in one particular field.

For example even doctor need to do further study to be a specialist.

I work for the IT dept in HK and then Canada.
I think if you are working in the PC and network area, it's pretty hard to catch up with the new technology.  You need to keep on upgrade your knowledge by taking some IT courses which means $$$.  For big company like HK Jockey Club which I worked before, they had IT courses for you to take.  For small company, I think the owner prefer the less espenses the better.  We cannot use our salary to update our knowledge in order to keep our job, it's a little bit sad.
Right now I am working for a small IT department in Toronto, manage a network with a Win2003 server and a RS6000 machie.   Sometimes I am under a lot of pressure because the management do not want to spend money or is not budgeted and the technology is going so fast and our knowledge and hardware did not catch up.  
The worst thing is the user who want their problem get fixed right away.  They think we are 萬能.

[quote]原帖由 [i]rtsang88[/i] 於 2006-9-10 11:32 發表
I work for the IT dept in HK and then Canada.
I think if you are working in the PC and network area, it's pretty hard to catch up with the new technology.  You need to keep on upgrade your knowled ... [/quote]

Technology keeps changing so fast that it is difficult not just for IT guys to catch up, but also for any companies, which invested hardware and software in previous years. For example, the speed of LAN is changed from 100Mb to Gigabit, and for WAN, the technology changed from T1 to Frame Relay and now Metro-Ethernet. If you want to upgrade, then you need to change and re-invest all the network equipment.

The same thing also applies for RS6000, the AIX of RS6000 changed from AIX4.3, to 5.1, to 5.2 and now 5.3 within these 6 years.

Besides I agree with you that users think we are 萬能, my additional opinion is that users think it is '老馮' for IT to do.

係人都知,用錢可以解決好多問題

但做得i.t. management,要做既係響有限資源下,做到d野最好

早十年d電腦人響hardward限制下,一定有做
而家又有幾多人會tune-up自己既system0丫

[quote]原帖由 [i]長谷川天[/i] 於 2006-8-31 09:31 AM 發表
其實 IT 真的不太好做...尤以在一些小公司內當IT人員更加慘...
因為老闆通常都會叫你什麼都要搞, 但係一講到錢就無行...
所以有些IT人因而要冒險安裝非法軟件, 最後海關會追究邊個?
自己想想啦...:L:L:L [/quote]


其實係香港it dept 已變為公司的機電工程處...:L:L:L
公司跳fuse, fax機/影印機 jam 紙 或者光管壞左...
可能都要it 去整...尤以細公司為甚!!!:jaw::jaw:

越講越谷氣

唔單單谷氣 ~! :burst:

好多時,有個電字都會關你事...:dizzy:

what can we do to change those 難處 :wondering:

if the user is a pretty girl, I usually go to see her right away, 眼睛吃豆腐
for most cases, try to teach them on the phone
but sometimes, the pretty girl is the stupid one of all.

I always have a dream that there are pretty girls as my users in a lengthy process of user requirement collection and UAT. But the reality is always cruel.

my supervisor said
IT = 24/7
IT = you need to know all knowledge

Basically it is the reality.

For IT support, we usually need to support systems in 7x24 basis, particularly if the systems are running 24 hours per day, 7 day per week. Even we are not really working 7x24, we are still in standby mode.

For application system projects, we need to understand the needs from business users and develop or modify a system to support business users. That means simply IT knowledge is not adequate, but Business knowledge is also essential.

哎。。。。身有同感

回復 #27 有性格 的帖子

Agree ! Right, not only IT knowledge but also Business knowledge, that's why there are plenty of Master Degree, Doctorial degree in business for IT guy, and also, plenty of Auditing (e.g. CISA, CISSP), Project management certify course (e.g. PMP) , along with technical certification such as MCSE, CCIA, CCIE and CLP to take our money from our pocket under the decreasing trend of IT industries.

That's is too pathetic !

我都唔覺得難

我都唔覺得難

完全同意...!

Well, IT = No matter you success 10 project. If 1 failed, you are fired.

[quote]原帖由 [i]DragonBall[/i] 於 2006-9-24 04:58 PM 發表
Well, IT = No matter you success 10 project. If 1 failed, you are fired. [/quote]


乜其他行業唔係咁架嘛...唔好乜都賴it好d喎

I think this phenomenon applies for not just IT, but also other industries since people are prone to remember the bad things no matter how many good things were done before.

sunset industry

[quote]原帖由 [i]forumuser[/i] 於 2006-10-3 02:08 PM 發表
sunset industry [/quote]
SUNRISE! :P:blowme::lookaround::o

太陽出來了, 好似雪人溶化了!!:P;P

還有，差不多｛通電｝或有｛有旋轉部份｝的東西都關 IT 事

[quote]原帖由 [i]VINCENTT[/i] 於 2006-9-18 09:35 AM 發表
Agree ! Right, not only IT knowledge but also Business knowledge, that's why there are plenty of Master Degree, Doctorial degree in business for IT guy, and also, plenty of Auditing (e.g. CISA, CIS ... [/quote]

[quote]原帖由 [i]有性格[/i] 於 2006-10-14 03:45 PM 發表
太陽出來了, 好似雪人溶化了!!:P;P [/quote]
Sunrise if you work for large web-related companies such as Yahoo, EBay, Amazon, Microsoft and Google. Most of their employees are millionnaires!  ;P:lol:verygood::beer::reading:

同道中人

大家都是一样的呀

On the technical side it is not difficult to handle;
But the hard thing is to handle some "bad-temper" users who don't appreciate IT works.

Also negotiate with users during application developing is not an easy job.

Also sunrise since Information Technology becomes essentials of any business and even our lives today.

Working in IT field, we are suffering fierce competitions since there are over million IT guys in the market. There must be someone who can substitute us.

we are also suffering tons of pressure from technological advancement in the market which push us to learn more in order to maintain our competitiveness.

we are also confronting hard and rough times with users and Management who always demand and question but never appreciate.

But throughout this journey of IT, you would be trained up as a tough guy with tons of knowledge and skills in different aspects including technical and business knowledge, interpersonal skills.

Therefore, sunrise if we don't lose our confidence and do continue to improve ourselves.

Agreed.

You need to look at IT in a different prospective.


IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the world! :help:

If it is that [u]important[/u], why your boss didn’t want to pay for that hardware upgrade? Or upgrade from the low end MS Mail to Exchange? Or any "mission critical" thing that you request before? Boss would say blah, blah, blah, we will do it in next FY la… :shit:

When you-know-what-hit-the-fan, it is always IT fault. IT should have done this/that, IT should have thought about that…. When things are going well – no one is going to come by IT department and say “thank you” to us.  :shutup:

IT is bad and a un-appreciate job. :Q

Key to success – what can we do to turn this around and make it a positive thing?

There is a way brother, there is a way – you just need to find one that work for your company. :givemefive:

I have been doing this for over 15 years… been there, done that (currently in Silicon Valley – HQ of all IT).  :beer:

[quote]原帖由 [i]aloharicnsa[/i] 於 2006-10-19 06:13 AM 發表
IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the wor ... [/quote]
AGREED. There are many CTOs doing very well - thank you! It is not just about hardware and maintenance. There is a whole lot more to IT including how to use technology to re-engineer the company etc.!;P:hamsup::soldier::beer:

IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the world!

==> Agree!;P, but not just email, but also internet access:P


If it is that important, why your boss didn’t want to pay for that hardware upgrade? Or upgrade from the low end MS Mail to Exchange? Or any "mission critical" thing that you request before? Boss would say blah, blah, blah, we will do it in next FY la…

==> Because Bosses never want to face the reality of "IT=Money + Time + People":L

IT is bad and a un-appreciate job.

==>IT is a job good for training of our EQ:P

發覺大家好多怨氣，其實IT行業都有樂趣有苦趣的。

1。IT行業接觸最多最新科技，變化最多最快，絕對不會感覺到沒有變化，但痛苦的是變化太快。
2。IT行業經常用腦，保持頭腦靈活，除了人精，排第二位聰明的應該是IT人，但用腦用到盡
3。IT行業其實是個服務性質的行業，工具改變效率，改變規則，但工具還是工具，工具不應該是産業的指導者，IT就是這樣一個狀况。認識到這點后，客戶的很多想法都可以理解。
4。一分錢一分貨，IT尤其如此，灰色地帶各個行業都有，不要踩太多就好，客戶自食其果多得是，何必計較？出不起錢的客戶，最多是朋友，但絕對不是好客戶。
5。7×24絕對是傷害，年輕還好，年紀一大，好痛苦。

I just wonder if this only happens to IT.
I've been working in IT industry for nearly 15 yrs, and wish to do something else.
And the problem is, i am still searching .... simply can't find anything better (regardless the future)

Anyone one got success story to completely transform from IT guy to something else ?

I just wonder if this only happens to IT.
I've been working in IT industry for nearly 15 yrs, and wish to do something else.
And the problem is, i am still searching .... simply can't find anything better (regardless the future)

Anyone one got success story to completely transform from IT guy to something else ?

Not really aware, but of coz I do not dare to say not possible.
If working in software development, then the possible path can be from system analyst to business analyst and then other positions, since business knowledge can be earned during user requirement collection process.
If working in hardware and network side, then it may not be easy to change to other businesses.
Another possible path can be to establish our own business in order to get rid of IT.