jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:01
希特拉的媽打
[size=4][color=Blue]希特拉[/color][/size]
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[size=4][color=Blue]佢老母[/color][/size]
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[color=Blue][size=4]不過而家唔係講佢老母,係講佢既媽打 ------- Marder ,即係佢既 "黃鼠狼" 履帶[/size][/color][color=Blue][size=4][color=Blue][size=4]反坦[/size][/color]戰車,有人又叫呢 d 野做 "坦克殲擊車",不過點都好啦,總之媽打出現既初衷就係用黎打坦克而唔係打飛機既,大家記住呢點就 ok 勒.[/size][/color]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:14
[color=Blue][size=4]媽打分別有三個型號,就係媽打一媽打二同媽打三,後兩個又再細分多個不同衍生型號.下面先黎睇睇佢地既大名同佢地既番號先 :
媽打一 (Marder I) ,就只得一千零一款,用法國佬三種不同坦克底盤.番號就叫 Sdkfz 135 .
媽打二 [/size][/color][color=Blue][size=4][color=Blue][size=4] (Marder II)[/size][/color],下分兩大款,都係用德國二號坦克底盤.番號分別係 Sdkfz 131 同 132 .
媽打三 ([/size][/color][color=Blue][size=4][color=Blue][size=4] (Marder III)[/size][/color],下分三大款,全部用捷克既 38 式坦克底盤.番號分別係 Sdkfz 138 Ausf M ; 138 Ausf H ; 同 139 .
另外三種媽打除左用上唔同底盤之外,車上面條炮仔就分別用左德國佬自己既 75mm Pak 40 反坦炮,之外就用由大鼻佬手上搶過黎既 76mm F-22 M1936 野戰炮,不過呢 d 76mm 炮就經過加工炮瞠改為 75mm ,等佢地都可以用番自己既炮彈.即係話唔理乜野媽打同車上有咩野炮,其實都係 75mm 口徑.
媽打炮仔之一 : 德國 75mm Pak 40 反坦炮.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Pak40_cfb_borden_2006_2.jpg/800px-Pak40_cfb_borden_2006_2.jpg[/img]
[/size][/color][color=Blue][size=4][color=Blue][size=4]媽打炮仔之二 : [/size][/color]大鼻佬既 76mm F-22 M1936 野戰炮.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/F22_helsinki_military_museum_1.jpg/800px-F22_helsinki_military_museum_1.jpg[/img]
另外我好懷疑安排大陸 d 手機號碼字頭既主事人係咪都係二戰迷![/size][/color]
[[i] 本帖最後由 jj2jr 於 2013-6-7 13:11 編輯 [/i]]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:18
[color=Blue][size=4]好,而家就由媽打一講起,不如先整張公仔 look look 先.其實有時我會鐘意睇模型多 dd ,因為可以更清楚睇到一 d 細節地方.
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jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:38
[size=4][color=Blue]我地一開頭已經講過,媽打既出現係為左打坦克.當德國佬打瓜左法國佬之後,三爬兩撥咁又搞掂埋北歐同其他低地國,跟住黎就係打大英帝國,不過果度隔住一個海又唔係好似開頭想像咁易食,於是就心思思話你知要搵大鼻佬黎開餐,而媽打就因化而應運而生勒.
媽打一既組合好簡單,就係用搶過黎既法國履帶拖拉機或者坦克,首先拆 q 左底盤以上既林審野.再裝支德國自家既 75mm Pak 40 反坦炮.
上面張公仔同而家呢張實照都係同一款媽打一,佢既底盤其實只係當時法國佬既一款軍用履帶拖拉機,叫做 Lorraine 37L[/color][/size]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-297-1701-29%2C_Im_Westen%2C_Panzer_%22Marder_I%22.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:43
[size=4][color=Blue]法國佬既軍用履帶拖拉機 Lorraine 37L 原先係用黎拉彈藥同其他軍需品既.本來係咁差樣既 :
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jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:48
[color=Blue][size=4]呢架 Lorraine 37L 又同上面既唔同,因為佢係短陣既,大家睇下佢每邊只有兩擔路輪.[/size][/color]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Lorraine_37L.jpg/800px-Lorraine_37L.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:52
[size=4][color=Blue]用 Lorraine 37L 做底盤既媽打一好易認,唔使認住呢隻鷹,而係望下佢既倒丁字避震就 ok .[/color][/size]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-297-1701-11%2C_Jagdpanzer_%22Marder_I%22.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:55
[size=4][color=Blue]其實德國佬係幫呢款媽打一起左個番號叫 :"Marder I", 7.5cm Pak auf Gw Lorraine (fr.).
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-297-1701-34%2C_Im_Westen%2C_Jagdpanzer_%22Marder_I%22.jpg[/img]
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jj2jr 2013-6-6 10:56
[size=4][color=Blue]呢架又係 "Marder I", 7.5cm Pak auf Gw Lorraine (fr.)[/color][/size]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-297-1701-21%2C_Im_Westen%2C_Panzerj%C3%A4ger_%22Marder_I%22.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 11:20
[size=4][color=Blue]呢款 Lorraine 媽打一除左有支 75mm Pak 40 反坦炮外 (備彈 40 發) ,跟車重有一支 7.92mm MG 34 機槍 (備彈 600 發) ,不過我睇過都唔見佢既戰鬥部三邊,都係冇有機槍口既,所以我估呢支 MG 34 係冇 FIT 死.而係俾班車友用黎傍身.
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jj2jr 2013-6-6 11:24
[size=4][color=Blue]呢個模型可以睇到 Lorraine 媽打一既車上炮彈架.[/color][/size]
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[img]http://www.missing-lynx.com/images/raymard2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/p7hg_img_3/fullsize/raymard3_fs.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-6 11:30
[size=4][color=Blue]Lorraine 媽打一吐圖做左 170 架.[/color][/size]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Marder-I-Saumur.jpg[/img]
dealerboy 2013-6-6 23:30
:wondering: :wondering: 個駕駛倉係邊度
jj2jr 2013-6-7 07:34
[quote]原帖由 [i]dealerboy[/i] 於 2013-6-6 23:30 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20441544&ptid=640698][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
:wondering: :wondering: 個駕駛倉係邊度 [/quote][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-297-1701-21%2C_Im_Westen%2C_Panzerj%C3%A4ger_%22Marder_I%22.jpg[/img]
[size=4][color=Blue]咪靜係掛住睇女至得架!睇下車頭個四方窗啦, wiki 既圖片說明係 "Marder I with driver visible" ,不過講真我都唔係睇得好清楚,但呢度就肯定係駕駛倉.[/color][/size]
[[i] 本帖最後由 jj2jr 於 2013-6-7 13:44 編輯 [/i]]
jj2jr 2013-6-7 07:50
[quote]原帖由 [i]dealerboy[/i] 於 2013-6-6 23:30 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20441544&ptid=640698][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
:wondering: :wondering: 個駕駛倉係邊度 [/quote]
[size=4][color=Blue]响呢度,亞王![/color][/size]
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[[i] 本帖最後由 jj2jr 於 2013-6-7 17:18 編輯 [/i]]
jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:18
[size=4][color=Blue]Lorraine 媽打一 :
[img]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/mardlo.jpg[/img]
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jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:19
[size=4][color=Blue]Lorraine 媽打一 :
[img]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/mardlo_2.jpg[/img]
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jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:23
[color=Blue][size=4]One more![/size][/color]
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jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:29
[size=4][color=Blue]呢幾張 Lorraine 媽打一比較少見,大家 see see :
呢架真係打到脾甩勒!
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Radagast/02ce5524.jpg[/img]
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jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:31
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jj2jr 2013-6-7 17:31
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 11:34
[size=4][color=Blue]呢架媽打一 37L 同上面第 19 樓既係同一架車.[/color][/size]
[img]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6085/6100099795_034c15abaf_b.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 11:57
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[[i] 本帖最後由 jj2jr 於 2013-6-8 12:03 編輯 [/i]]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 11:58
[quote]原帖由 [i]dealerboy[/i] 於 2013-6-6 23:30 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20441544&ptid=640698][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
:wondering: :wondering: 個駕駛倉係邊度 [/quote]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 12:05
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 12:07
[size=4][color=Blue]下便有好多媽打一 37L 既公仔.[/color][/size]
[img]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4140/4739287029_012dd1ddbb_o.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:17
[size=4][color=Blue]左便條木咀似唔似日本仔?[/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:19
[size=4][color=Blue]呢件真係正式甩轆勒![/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:20
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:48
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:49
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:51
[size=4][color=Blue]上飛機去打坦克.[/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:52
[size=4][color=Blue]白雪雪既肯定係東線.[/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:53
[size=4][color=Blue]呢件又收皮勒.[/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:54
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:56
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:58
[size=4][color=Blue]GI 話 : 嘩 ~~ 都幾 Q 唔講得笑播,佢媽打呀![/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 13:59
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:00
[size=4][color=Blue]拉貨去開波勒.[/color][/size]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:00
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:01
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:02
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:02
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:04
[quote]原帖由 [i]dealerboy[/i] 於 2013-6-6 23:30 發表 [url=http://forum.timway.com/f/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20441544&ptid=640698][img]http://forum.timway.com/f/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
:wondering: :wondering: 個駕駛倉係邊度 [/quote]
[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6839620774_4685e25ebc_b.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:04
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:05
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:24
[color=Blue][size=4]前面講過話媽打一係由三種法國坦克改裝,而家就講另一隻底盤,就係 Hotchkiss H39 坦克.下面係佢既原型.[/size][/color]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/H-39-Saumur.0004cd95.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:33
[size=4][color=Blue]其實法國佬响二戰初期既坦克可以講得上係當時最正既,相比起德國佬既一號二唬同三號坦克,無論係火力同裝甲都有有過之而無不及,之不過硬件幾正都要由軟件去 WORK 至得,法國佬就係輸响人材之上.
呢個 [/color][/size][size=4][color=Blue]Hotchkiss H39 底盤好易認,記住佢果套八字避震就 OK.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/The_British_Army_in_Normandy_1944_B8791.jpg[/img]
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jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:36
[img]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/marh39_1.jpg[/img]
jj2jr 2013-6-8 14:39
[size=4][color=Blue]德國佬約 24 架 (有說曷 60 架) Hotchkiss H39 坦克改裝成媽打一,同佢改左個番號叫 7.5cm PaK40(Sf) auf Geschutzwagen 39H(f).
[img]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/marh39_2.jpg[/img]
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