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Response to wander's post #48

Hi brother wander,

It is good to see that you have got a piece of good advice from brother dejavu2003. Stay in touch !

Just treat your career in audit at the entry level as an apprenticeship and be prepared to accept a low salary.

As the so-called second tier of audit firms ranges from those just next to EY and PWC  to the very bottom, so nothing is impossible.

It may even be better for those brothers who are still working in this profession to give you a hint about the present range of salary as an audit trainee in the first year of employment.

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-24 11:11 PM 發表
Hi brother wander,

It is good to see that you have got a piece of good advice from brother dejavu2003. Stay in touch !

Just treat your career in audit at the entry level as an apprenticeship  ... [/quote]


Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard that ACCA's exams were equivalent to HKICPA's
exams, so I thought it'd be good to join this globally-renowned organization. The recent
treatment from HKICPA is really depressing, though. I guess all HKICPA wants is to protect
its interest in HK (for people who joined ACCA after August 2004, the mutual recognition
between ACCA and HKICAP has been limited).

Regarding brother dejavu2003's question, Paper 3.5 ~ 3.7 are the core paper of ACCA.
After I pass these papers and gain 3 years practical experience, I may become an ACCA
member.

Thank you again for your help.

Morer advice from others would be appreciated too!

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-8-24 11:53 PM 發表



Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard  ... [/quote]

You started in April 2004 and now you are on the verge of qualifying.  You must be very smart and/or dedicated.  It might reinforce the view that people with good command of English have a higher chance of breezing through the professional exam.  It took me bloody 6 years.  

Going back to your concern, I can't believe an ACCA can't find a job as an audit trainee despite the age "handicap".  I have yet to find out the firm's position but i will do that promptly.

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-8-25 07:53 發表



Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard  ... [/quote]

Hi brother wander,

Pleasant job hunting and let us know your good news soon ...:wave:

支持~~~~

供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。

started job hunting

I have sent application letters to Grant Thornton and BDO this week.
Maybe I'll sent letters to other 2nd-tiers.

Instead of sending massive amount of letters, I only choose a few
2nd-tiers coz I want to stick to the fews about whom I am more familiar
with (by studying their web sites).

Even if there's no reply for 2 months, i.e. till the end of October, I won't
be too hasty coz I'll spend the whole November preparing the ACCA exams
in December. This sounds adventurous, but I have little financial burden so
I think I can bear the risk.

Thank you again for everybody's support.

[quote]原帖由 [i]fatking_hk[/i] 於 2006-9-1 12:34 PM 發表
供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。 [/quote]


好同意師兄所講~~~:verygood:

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ... [/quote]

Hi Brother Wander, your photo looks great. I hope the same is with your future.

Now that you've made your decision, better late than never. I'm sure you won't regret it afterwards.

On the other hand, have you ever thought of quitting everything but just focus on passing your ACCA professional examination first in coming November ?

If you can afford it, it's not a bad idea ... comparing the significance of a professional degree and the salary you might have lost on quitting your job for less than three months ... :wondering:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-2 02:59 PM 發表


Hi Brother Wander, your photo looks great. I hope the same is with your future.

Now that you've made your decision, better late than never. I'm sure you won't regret it afterwards.

On th ... [/quote]

Hi Brother Taurus,

Initially I had wanted to quit my job after I've found a new one,
but my senior advised me to quit first, coz she could then
have time to recruite someone new and learn how to follow
the task I left behind. She didn't want me to quit all at a sudden
and left her panic. I thought she had a point, so I handed over
my resignation letter at the end of August.

BTW, I think that the labour market is really doing fine (not talking
my job-hunting) because most applicants to my company are asking
for higher salaries than mine, and there is a guy who cancelled the
appointment with us because he is now busying with his freelance
jobs.

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-9-3 06:56 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Initially I had wanted to quit my job after I've found a new one,
but my senior advised me to quit first, coz she could then
have time to recruite someone new and learn  ... [/quote]

Hi Brother Wander,

It's good to hear from you early in the morning. You've been too kind to your senior and think about her first. I hope this will serve you well with a good reference letter from her.

I wonder if the sale coordinator's job which you've been doing concerns with receipt and execution of customers' orders, placing purchase orders with suppliers, following up shipments and LCs, issuance of invoices and lodgement of shipping documents to banks, etc. ?

We have a Chinese saying that "魚唔過塘唔會大��". Recently, our Financial Secretary emphasised that HK unemployment rate was 4.9% ( I don't remember la ! ). Local economy should be doing quite well.

But to find a job or to recruit an appropriate candidate is a different thing. It really has to depend on a lot of factors, one of which may be luck for the applicant and for the recruiting company as well to result in a successful match !

Brother Wander, it's now the time for you to pull yourself together and move forward ! Do it for yourself and try to think of yourself first from now on ... :boxing:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-3 01:59 AM 發表


Hi Brother Wander,

It's good to hear from you early in the morning. You've been too kind to your senior and think about her first. I hope this will serve you well with a good reference lette ... [/quote]

Hi Brother Taurus,

Basically you have correctly estimated my scope of duty.

But, in addition, I also serve as the interpretor between my Japanese / Korean
colleagues (who speak Japanese) and the Chinese / English-speaking clients.
I also translate contracts, specification and analysis reports from Japanese to
English / Chinese, and vice versa.

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-9-3 13:28 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Basically you have correctly estimated my scope of duty.

But, in addition, I also serve as the interpretor between my Japanese / Korean
colleagues (who speak Japanese) ... [/quote]

Hi Brother Wander,

I'm afraid that you have to stay long hours in the office and then have many parties afterwards.

It's good for you to make your decision to have a change in your life, your career ... :verygood:

Work towards having your identity and a professional qualification. It's very important nowaday !

Don't worry, move forward towards your goal, brother ... :boxing:

it depends whether u have a professional qualification or not

what is the salary for "partner"?

[quote]原帖由 [i]miura[/i] 於 2006-9-4 22:24 發表
what is the salary for "partner"? [/quote]

I would like to know too ! :lol

[quote]原帖由 [i]軍師[/i] 於 2006-8-16 02:59 PM 發表
現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。 [/quote]

Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years!

回復 #67 hjhjhj2004 的帖子

So far I find it not bad. Of course, it dues on the opportunities you met all over your working life. And also how much effort you've contributed in this area.

[quote]原帖由 [i]CPAMBA[/i] 於 2006-8-15 06:24 PM 發表
最近經常聽到人話要做會計,

會計係真的咁有前途~~~~ [/quote]

Of course, did you not read that 80% of HK accountants got pay rise of between 6% to 20% this year. :lol;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]hjhjhj2004[/i] 於 2006-9-6 17:21 發表

Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years! [/quote]

Don't be so pessimistic, Brother Hjhjhj2004 !  :nono:

If you think positively, you have already had 20 years of stable job. Most of us work day in day out for our living. This is the fact of life.  

Since you have been in this profession for 20 years, you know the rules. Either you study for a degree in the profession or you find something interesting in life to enjoy.

Life is not all for making money and hard-work ! There are so many things in life for you to appreciate and enjoy. Spend more time with your loved ones, your family !

Best of luck !  :byebye:

[quote]原帖由 [i]hjhjhj2004[/i] 於 2006-9-6 01:21 AM 發表


Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years! [/quote]
What are yoiu doing now? :wondering:

回復 #70 taurus 的帖子

Totally agreed. Life is easy when you stay your heart with your lovely family.

[quote]原帖由 [i]miura[/i] 於 2006-9-4 06:24 AM 發表
what is the salary for "partner"? [/quote]
For large firms, junior partners get over $2m. Minimum is @1.2m for smaller firms. Of course, can go up a lot if you are senior partners. :):lol;P:hamsup:

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2006-9-8 01:08 AM 發表

What are yoiu doing now? :wondering: [/quote]

Working, working, working... no time for family, no respect, nothing..

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-7 02:29 PM 發表


Don't be so pessimistic, Brother Hjhjhj2004 !  :nono:

If you think positively, you have already had 20 years of stable job. Most of us work day in day out for our living. This is the fact of ... [/quote]

Don't believe the so-called Pesident. Believe me. Find a useful career. There are thousonds of ways to earn your living!

agree, it is a very demanding field now..

[quote]原帖由 [i]hjhjhj2004[/i] 於 2006-9-8 21:45 發表

Working, working, working... no time for family, no respect, nothing.. [/quote]

Dear Brother Hjhjhj2004,

At present, I am working on an audit assignment of a restaurant next to West Rail Station. The accountant there works from 9 am to 6 pm but has to stay late frequently for a 6-day week. She looks after preparation of daily cash and journal vouchers, attends to issues relating to human resouces including insurance claims,  income tax & MPF, arranges payment of wages to more than 100 employees and more than 80 recurrent suppliers every month, not mentioning the requirement of issuing checks and the general ledger is kept by typing in Chinese. On average, the monthly gross revenue amounts to $2 million. She earns about $10k a month.

Brother, please try to pay your attention away from the misery of your work and attend to other aspects of life that you find interesting, say, books and music.

If you indeed have problem in your work, I highly recommend to you to discuss with your superior because they will care especially in your condition of having worked for a long period of time with your company. It will be a headache to them to find somebody to fill your vacancy should you decide to leave.

Please speak to your close friend of all your anxiety and your problems in order to loose all the tension you now have at work.

Take care, brother ! :byebye:

Hello everyone,

I have got a post of audit trainee at a small local firm and I'll start working on 22nd September.

I hope that I can share more about the job with you later.

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-9-18 06:41 AM 發表
Hello everyone,

I have got a post of audit trainee at a small local firm and I'll start working on 22nd September.

I hope that I can share more about the job with you later. [/quote]

Congratulations.   Welcome to the profession.

I am sure you will do very well.

Re : Wander's post #78

Hi Brother Wander,

Congratulation !!!!!!!!  :beer:

Hope you like the job and the chance of being able to look into accounting systems of quite a number of companies across different industries.

Wish you the very best and please share with us any interesting issues in future ... :applause:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-9 07:21 PM 發表


Dear Brother Hjhjhj2004,

At present, I am working on an audit assignment of a restaurant next to West Rail Station. The accountant there works from 9 am to 6 pm but has to stay late frequent ... [/quote]
This was just an example. Many are getting well paid and not too much O/T (like myself). You need to select the company carefully. If you are in audit or small local commercial firms etc., of course, pay will be low and very long working hours.  ;P:oh::):soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2006-9-19 11:47 發表

This was just an example. Many are getting well paid and not too much O/T (like myself). You need to select the company carefully. If you are in audit or small local commercial firms etc., of cou ... [/quote]

Yes, that's an example to show to Brother Hjhjhj2004 that there are many employees in the accounting profession receiving their rewards not commensurate with their efforts and output, having an office like a storeroom with minimum space just enough for them to get in and out.

They would like to have more choices if they can but ..... :Q:'(:'(:Q:Q:'(

Life is too harsh and earnig a living is even harder. So, try to put aside all the pressure and misery at your work after office hours, learn to relax and find out other aspects in life that you may have interest and appreciate. All the very best to everybody ..... :wave:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-19 04:26 AM 發表


Yes, that's an example to show to Brother Hjhjhj2004 that there are many employees in the accounting profession receiving their rewards not commensurate with their efforts and output, having an ... [/quote]

Sure but many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field! :lol;P

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2006-9-20 11:27 發表

Sure but many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field! :lol;P [/quote]

Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

We have seen from time to time brothers of this forum complaining their jobs in this field. Are we trying to communicate patiently with them, giving them encouragement and support or rather teasing them with your saying " I'm getting well paid and not too much O/T or many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!"

What you have said is fact but does it help all those brothers ....:wondering::wondering::wondering:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-19 08:23 PM 發表


Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

W ... [/quote]
My POINT is this applies to all jobs and profession, not just Finance/Accounting. Also, don't be too negative. ;P:Q:jump::wave:

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2006-9-20 16:50 發表

My POINT is this applies to all jobs and profession, not just Finance/Accounting. Also, don't be too negative. ;P:Q:jump::wave: [/quote]

Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........ :reading::reading::reading:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-20 04:23 AM 發表


Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

W ... [/quote]

very well said.  This is a professional forum to share ideas and people should be expected to uphold a high standard consistent with their profession.   This is no place for anyone to brag about how well off they are - as most accountants should be relatively well off, including myself and you.   What one considers himself well paid, 1) is of no interest to nobody, 2) is only his own personal perception, and other people might chuckle to death over it.  Believe me, I came across someone in the timway forum who, without saying a word how well off/paid he is, actually owns a five star hotel.   That is what I called well paid.  Fellow accountants/former colleagues I mingle with, are either well off enough to retire comfortably in thier 40's or early 50's, or if they are working, are making some $3 million p.a.

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-20 02:33 AM 發表


Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........ :reading::reading::reading: [/quote]
Hey - I have always been POSITIVE on Finance/Accounting field! Just some people cannot work in audit firms. :blowme::wave::beer::soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-9-20 04:19 AM 發表


very well said.  This is a professional forum to share ideas and people should be expected to uphold a high standard consistent with their profession.   This is no place for anyone to brag abou ... [/quote]
Not bragging - just FACTS!  :P;P:beer::fire:

[quote]原帖由 [i]peninsula[/i] 於 2006-9-21 01:07 AM 發表

Not bragging - just FACTS!  :P;P:beer::fire: [/quote]


of course in your little silo, you genuinely think you are well paid, for what others might chuckle to death.

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-9-20 10:33 AM 發表


Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........ :reading::reading::reading: [/quote]

I think U always show positive personality according to your opinions, I reckon people come from all walk of life,  they see thing in different points of view, some people might think the glass is half full, some might think is half empty.

Brother, u are right that to give the people more encouragement better than just teasing them. if possible could you share your (extensive) experience to show us how to finish accounting work in more efficiency and effective manner( may be too ideal ) :wave::applause::dizzy:

[[i] 本帖最後由 Tummy 於 2006-9-22 12:32 AM 編輯 [/i]]

Many thanks to Brothers Dejavu2003 and Tummy for your impartiality, vision of righteousnes and willingness to speak up.  I salute to you !  :bow::bow:

In fact, this is not what I expect to encounter a situation like this in this forum where we are supposed to share our experience with each other issues relating to our profession  and sometimes our grievances, too.

But life is full of surprises ! You are my surprises now ! A lot of thanks, again, brothers ...  :applause::applause:

[quote]原帖由 [i]Tummy[/i] 於 2006-9-21 04:27 PM 發表


I think U always show positive personality according to your opinions, I reckon people come from all walk of life,  they see thing in different points of view, some people might think the glass ... [/quote]

Hi - I don't want to start confrontational-type dialogue.

Anyway, accounting profession is in great demands. You just need to read all the news from yesterday to know that there are acute shortage and salries have gone up a lot.

In all walks of life and profession, there are bound to be others more successful than others despite having same qualifications/background. So my advise is to keep moving until you find the right job. But having an accounting qualification will guarantee you a good, well-paid job even if not what people consider as "cool"! :hamsup::lol:D:jump::verygood:

我覺得做會計都好似幾好
至少收入穩定啊

[quote]原帖由 [i]couto86hk[/i] 於 2006-9-22 03:23 AM 發表
我覺得做會計都好似幾好
至少收入穩定啊 [/quote]
You are absolutely right! Pay (on average) is quite good too.:lol:verygood::jump:

long working hours
shity salary

[quote]原帖由 [i]pangpang913[/i] 於 2006-9-24 02:20 AM 發表
long working hours
shity salary [/quote]
Shity salary - who said???? :saujai::moon::shit:

[quote]原帖由 [i]pangpang913[/i] 於 2006-9-24 10:20 AM 發表
long working hours
shity salary [/quote]
:verygood::verygood::verygood: When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it.

[quote]原帖由 [i]hjhjhj2004[/i] 於 2006-9-26 16:52 發表

:verygood::verygood::verygood: When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it. [/quote]

We look forward to hearing your story ! But in the meantime, please maintain a good balance between your working and family lives. Take care ... :wave:

[quote]原帖由 [i]hjhjhj2004[/i] 於 2006-9-26 12:52 AM 發表

:verygood::verygood::verygood: When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it. [/quote]
Get rid of what? Don't work?? :wondering::soldier::L:wondering: