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會計係真的咁有前途

最近經常聽到人話要做會計,

會計係真的咁有前途~~~~

Support Dept 點會有前途！　:L　

現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。

[quote]原帖由 [i]軍師[/i] 於 2006-8-16 02:59 PM 發表
現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。 [/quote]

供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。

想當年(86)遍地黄金，我又懶，唔肯回流。D老友回流個個都意氣風發。到92年回流巳經冇乜景，果時真係有D自卑，二年之後一個機會咪又俾我揾番份CFO。

我覺得會計呢行都做得過，回報比付出的多。

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-16 04:36 PM 發表


供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。

想當年(86)遍地黄金，我又懶，唔肯回流。D老友回流個個都意氣風發。到92年回流巳經冇乜景，果時真係有D自卑，二年之後一個機會咪 ... [/quote]

Congratulation first, your hard work finally paid off
Would u mind share what special skills u offer to make u the position today?:wondering:

[quote]原帖由 [i]Tummy[/i] 於 2006-8-16 09:53 PM 發表


Congratulation first, your hard work finally paid off
Would u mind share what special skills u offer to make u the position today?:wondering: [/quote]

congratulations??? that was twelve years ago wor.

special skills I offer - between you and me (and don't tell my boss), NONE that I can think of.:lol:lol:$:$

[quote]原帖由 [i]HJ2127_ATR1[/i] 於 2006-8-16 05:03 PM 發表
Support Dept 點會有前途！　:L　 [/quote]

何解???
我公司近年俾會計佬玩晒架! :saujai:

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-17 05:45 AM 發表


congratulations??? that was twelve years ago wor.

special skills I offer - between you and me (and don't tell my boss), NONE that I can think of.:lol:lol:$:$ [/quote]

may be your sense of humour;P

回復 #7 CHANGMAO 的帖子

一向老細都係睇賺錢部門架啦！

除非老細就係在會計部做。　;P

E...., brother HJ2127, how come I can see you here, I just wonder if you are also from the Accounting field, otherwise, you will not have such kind of internal comments.

[quote]原帖由 [i]HJ2127_ATR1[/i] 於 2006-8-17 04:53 PM 發表
一向老細都係睇賺錢部門架啦！

除非老細就係在會計部做。　;P [/quote]

Exactly! :Q

回復 #10 fatyin168 的帖子

哈，哈，又係度見到你，你估得冇錯，我除左要渣九巴，Dup骨外，我係有真正身份既。:lol　

回復 #11 CHANGMAO 的帖子

無計啦，大老細進註會計部，老細大洗得，其他人要慳ｄ啦。　:L

哈哈...係會計佬玩晒

哈哈...因為我地有特別的技能及知識ma.......e.g.首先我地識幫間公司隱藏d盈利...唔駛交咁多稅...賺1億...可以隱藏3-4千萬...當然啦...如果老細話要盤數做靚d... 因為要股價好d...我地都可以有技巧地增加自己公司盈利 !! 你話勁唔勁... 人唔駛多..一個會計佬就可以做到ga la!!

Hi 各位兄弟, 我又係做會計�� !  有冇前途, 都好講運氣. 在另一標題, 我已經講過, 不再重複. 但是在這一行打工而又要出頭的話, 你所付出的, 真係要比其他人多很多, 包括時間, 勞力, 腦力, 承擔, 等等, 有時重要忍辱負重.  :L

不過, 如果與其他文職比較, 尚算穩定. 還可以吧 ! :)


:soldier:

牛工一份

經常要update自己

回覆 jk123#17的帖子,

[quote]原帖由 [i]jk123[/i] 於 2006-8-19 05:08 AM 發表
經常要update自己 [/quote]

重要 upgrade �� ... ! 考下專業試 la, 係就係辛苦D. 不過投資在自己身上, 點都係值得�� ! :victory:

加油 ...  :slap:


:soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-19 05:28 AM 發表


重要 upgrade �� ... ! 考下專業試 la, 係就係辛苦D. 不過投資在自己身上, 點都係值得�� ! :victory:

加油 ...  :slap:


:soldier: [/quote]

我喺citipoly做lecturer既舊同事經常advise佢D學生要學好英文，專業試就易好多。真係好有道理，以前我有D英文好既同事考ACCA三次(頭尾一年)攪�T，我地D水皮既就逢二進一都唔止。到放榜個日真係好大壓力。

[[i] 本帖最後由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-19 08:09 AM 編輯 [/i]]

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-19 04:06 PM 發表


我喺citipoly做lecturer既舊同事經常advise佢D學生要學好英文，專業試就易好多。真係好有道理，以前我有D英文好既同事考[color=Red]ACCA三次(頭尾一年)[/color]攪�T，我地D水皮既就逢二進一都唔止。到放榜個日真係好大壓力。 [/quote]


一年都只係考二次炸喎，佢點係一年內考三次啊？ 我諗你果friend 梗係 exempt 咗 10張paper，如果唔係冇可能一年考晒。 :D

[quote]原帖由 [i]軍師[/i] 於 2006-8-19 10:05 AM 發表



一年都只係考二次炸喎，佢點係一年內考三次啊？ 我諗你果friend 梗係 exempt 咗 10張paper，如果唔係冇可能一年考晒。 :D [/quote]

點解唔得？我地分section I, II, III, IV, V.  可以两section 一齊考。今年六月考Section I & II, 十二月考Sec III & IV, 明年六月考 Sec V. 頭尾一年零幾日。

嗰陣最多exempt 4 科 (HKU Bachelor, major in accounting).

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-19 06:23 PM 發表


點解唔得？我地分section I, II, III, IV, V.  可以两section 一齊考。今年六月考Section I & II, 十二月考Sec III & IV, 明年六月考 Sec V. 頭尾一年零幾日。

嗰陣最多exempt 4 科 ( ... [/quote]

如果你咁計法，咁今年六月考之前係唔係完全唔使時間準備先？唔通佢可以人地六月一號考，佢五月三十一日報考？ 點計都超過一年啦。  不過講開又講，我都識得有條友都係用一年時間考鬼咗，佢考之前專誠辭鬼埋份工，exempt 咗 七張 paper，結果俾佢博到。 :D

回覆dejavu2003 #19 &#21的帖子

Hi dejavu 和軍師,

很高興認識你們 !

係呀, 英文無論在考試或者工作上都很重要. 記得我中學的校長, 特別提倡背英文. 所以, 在中一至中五那五年��, 每週都有一堂背英文, 仲係由該位校長親自教的. 他的理論就是從input到output的過程中, 只要有一部份的資料可以留在memory, 以後不需要input都可以從memory output出來, 你就學到一些英文. 然後再從課文以外各種渠道累積起來, 你的英文就一定有所改進.

再講講很多年前考Chartered Secretaries 英文paper時, 要背卅多篇文去應考. 當時的要求是兩小時提供六段三百至五百字的回答, 有memo, 有report等格式.

現在最佳的渠道應該是各英文報章的社論和雜誌.  :reading:

另外軍師所提到的果條友, 可能佢唔係搏禁簡單, 這可能就是所謂determination la ...

幾時開始都唔會遲, 只係好好利用一下空閒的時間, 在這過程中, 或者會找到新的樂趣.

加油 ... :boxing:

:soldier:

do not join accounting. work like a dog!

[quote]原帖由 [i]Mountain[/i] 於 2006-8-19 06:01 PM 發表
do not join accounting. work like a dog! [/quote]

Mountain 兄,

所有打工仔甚至打工皇帝, 都係要做ge啦 ! 或者有時人地做ge�洇A睇唔見��.

現在的環境, 有份工比冇工做好好多. 當然, 有得選擇就更加好. 如果現職是accounting又希望自我提升, 可以讀讀書, 考考試,�奏f個degree, 做個chief accountant 或者financial controller, 到時你就爽 la ...:verygood:

There is no free lunch. Start to invest in yourself, determine your goal and work towards it ... :boxing:

:soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-20 06:17 AM 發表


Mountain 兄,

所有打工仔甚至打工皇帝, 都係要做ge啦 ! 或者有時人地做ge�洇A睇唔見��.

現在的環境, 有份工比冇工做好好多. 當然, 有得選擇就更加好. 如果現職是accounting又希望自我提升, 可以讀讀書 ... [/quote]

雖然而家D人做audit 朝九晚十，冇哂私人時間，但往好處想，你地而家學緊野喎，而家你可以用三年時間學到五年既野，係咪都有得益呢。

不過我都唔明D firm要攪到D staff 咁。我地個簡單audit佢都收我十幾萬，又無deadline, 派兩個靚落黎要一個禮拜搞掂。我D staff 十一點走佢地都唔肯走，想我地留低大門匙俾佢地，俾我第二日媽义佢。我話錢你地收足，我又唔趕，點觧你要幫我做個 rush job?

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-20 07:01 AM 發表


雖然而家D人做audit 朝九晚十，冇哂私人時間，但往好處想，你地而家學緊野喎，而家你可以用三年時間學到五年既野，係咪都有得益呢。

不過我都唔明D firm要攪到D staff 咁。我地個簡單audit佢都收我十幾萬， ... [/quote]

我都有同感 . 過去幾年舊公司都係用PWC, 佢班友真係好搏, 晚睌八九點都唔願走.  :jaw::oh:

PWC的partners就正哂 la, 有D咁搏的伙記. 不過有時又可能係D staff 搏表現 . :wondering:

:soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-20 07:17 AM 發表


我都有同感 . 過去幾年舊公司都係用PWC, 佢班友真係好搏, 晚睌八九點都唔願走.  :jaw::oh:

PWC的partners就正哂 la, 有D咁搏的伙記. 不過有時又可能係D staff 搏表現 . :wondering:

:soldier: [/quote]

我地俾完十幾皮都冇service,重有兩星期tax deadline 佢老味 D partner 上星期重make 緊comment, 重propose緊audit adjustment, 份F/S重做到錯X哂，我通常唔理份statutory accounts, 以我咁隨便既人都隨手揾到錯野，而家都八月啦，咁點解你要D staff 喺五月趕乜先？

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-20 07:40 AM 發表


我地俾完十幾皮都冇service,重有兩星期tax deadline 佢老味 D partner 上星期重make 緊comment, 重propose緊audit adjustment, 份F/S重做到錯X哂，我通常唔理份statutory accounts, 以我咁隨便既人都隨手 ... [/quote]

Dejavu 兄,

有時表面看到的事, 可能後面又有另外一個故事. 我提議你跟上司說說, 然後再採取適當的行動.點都只是公事, 就按公司規矩去辦事,無謂太personal.  :nono:


:soldier:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-20 08:48 AM 發表


Dejavu 兄,

有時表面看到的事, 可能後面又有另外一個故事. 我提議你跟上司說說, 然後再採取適當的行動.點都只是公事, 就按公司規矩去辦事,無謂太personal.  :nono:


:soldier: [/quote]

我巳經對美國講咗我一定會換Auditor，除非listing rule有問題(不過佢地巳經話無)，否則一切由我决定。

我唔理佢後面乜野事，我係client,我有expectation, and You have been warned.  You can't give me the same treatment year after year even I said I didn't like it.  你咪以為係 ultimate holding company 欽點我就唔可以轉你先得架。可能佢當我地香港係細client，所以唔care。

i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member

[quote]原帖由 [i]njdragon[/i] 於 2006-8-20 09:23 AM 發表
i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member [/quote]

hihi.

Based in Nanjing???

[quote]原帖由 [i]njdragon[/i] 於 2006-8-20 09:23 AM 發表
i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member [/quote]

有冇用過佢個 lounge.  好似好靚咁喎。

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-20 09:12 AM 發表


我巳經對美國講咗我一定會換Auditor，除非listing rule有問題(不過佢地巳經話無)，否則一切由我决定。

我唔理佢後面乜野事，我係client,我有expectation, and You have been warned.  You can ... [/quote]

It seems they haven't offered a reasonable services and overcharged your company  :L

Dear all,

There are so many firms all around the world. There should be some staff to handle accounting works or bookkeeping. So, it is sure there are many job oppournities in accounting field. Right?

[quote]原帖由 [i]winforum[/i] 於 2006-8-20 11:31 AM 發表
Dear all,

There are so many firms all around the world. There should be some staff to handle accounting works or bookkeeping. So, it is sure there are many job oppournities in accounting field.  ... [/quote]


Using the same logic, the same can be said about Sales, Marketing, Purchasing, Administration, ......

[quote]原帖由 [i]Tummy[/i] 於 2006-8-20 10:18 AM 發表


It seems they haven't offered a reasonable services and overcharged your company  :L [/quote]

They might think we have deep pockets.  

The service really sucks.

[quote]原帖由 [i]howard171792[/i] 於 2006-8-18 05:33 PM 發表
哈哈...因為我地有特別的技能及知識ma.......e.g.首先我地識幫間公司隱藏d盈利...唔駛交咁多稅...賺1億...可以隱藏3-4千萬...當然啦...如果老細話要盤數做靚d... 因為要股價好d...我地都可以有技巧地增加自己公司 ... [/quote]

隱藏d盈利有乜用 :wondering:
想慳稅定係貶低公司價值?
其實都冇乜咁大不了

至叻嗰啲會連牌都唔要, 洗定八月十五, 咁幫老細食大茶飯Cap水走佬 :moon:

[quote]原帖由 [i]dejavu2003[/i] 於 2006-8-20 08:39 PM 發表



Using the same logic, the same can be said about Sales, Marketing, Purchasing, Administration, ...... [/quote]

唉........

[quote]原帖由 [i]CHANGMAO[/i] 於 2006-8-21 03:08 AM 發表


唉........ [/quote]

長毛哥乜咁煩惱呀？

唉........ 唉........ 唉........  :Q

回覆CHANGMAO#38的帖子

[quote]原帖由 [i]CHANGMAO[/i] 於 2006-8-21 11:08 發表


隱藏d盈利有乜用 :wondering:
想慳稅定係貶低公司價值?
其實都冇乜咁大不了

至叻嗰啲會連牌都唔要, 洗定八月十五, 咁幫老細食大茶飯Cap水走佬 :moon: [/quote]

長毛兄,

你真有見地. 替客戶慳稅, 全世界的public accounting firms or their affiliates都會做. 但唔係隱藏d盈利, 而係按每個國家的稅務法律, 在操作上適當地安排, 令到該公司的利潤, 稅局都唔能夠按法律去抽稅.

舉例, 有家在香港註冊的公司, 佢的產品是一些防衰老的精華素, 防曬濟等等. 所有交易在網上進行. 而網上操作的hub在星加坡.

香港的公司只有註冊地址, 冇寫字樓,冇職員, 所有該公司在香港的操作, 由一家小型的會計師樓承辦.

該公司在星加坡成立一家子公司全權負責該產品的銷售, 推廣和IT管理的工作並按月向香港母公司收管理費.營業地域真係可以說是全世界.

由於所有的銷售收入在香港入賬, 銷售的合約在星加坡完成, 所以其中所產生的盈利, 屬於海外營業, 按本港法律, 並不需要向特區政府納稅.

有時見到生意人跟稅局鬥法的案例, 真係拍案叫絕, 好�� ...:victory:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-22 05:17 AM 發表


長毛兄,

你真有見地. 替客戶慳稅, 全世界的public accounting firms or their affiliates都會做. 但唔係隱藏d盈利, 而係按每個國家的稅務法律, 在操作上適當地安排, 令到該公司的利潤, 稅局都唔能夠按法律 ... [/quote]

:L
But do they need to pay tax to Singapore? I mean profits tax

You won't regret

[quote]原帖由 [i]Tummy[/i] 於 2006-8-22 18:49 發表


:L
But do they need to pay tax to Singapore? I mean profits tax [/quote]

Hi brother Tummy,

You asked a good question. Yes, the subsidiary in Singapore will have to pay tax according to its assessable profits which come from its management-fee income and commission income on sales in its territory (Singapore) ... :verygood:

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-22 10:43 PM 發表


Hi brother Tummy,

You asked a good question. Yes, the subsidiary in Singapore will have to pay tax according to its assessable profits which come from its management-fee income and commissio ... [/quote]

Brother Taurus, u a too humble
Ask a question is much more easier than give answer or solution
BTW, tks for your answer:bow:

[quote]原帖由 [i]Tummy[/i] 於 2006-8-23 20:26 發表


Brother Taurus, u a too humble
Ask a question is much more easier than give answer or solution
BTW, tks for your answer:bow: [/quote]

Hi Brother Tummy,

Thank you for your compliment !

I started off working as a clerk in Inland Revenue Department, then as an audit trainee in a chartered accounting firm which was later affiliated with and changed its name as PricewaterhouseCoopers.

After about 3 years of audit training, I started my career in accounting field. Most of my experience which I regarded as valuable came from working with two international companies both of them were listed in New York Stock Exchange and engaged in chemical field. At the same time, my last employer was a state-owned company in Europe.

Therefore, I am pleased to share my experience with all brothers and sisters and exchange ideas / opinion with them. In fact, I may be benefitted during the course of these exchanges.

Please keep up our communication at your convenience.  :handshake

[quote]原帖由 [i]taurus[/i] 於 2006-8-24 12:57 AM 發表


Hi Brother Tummy,

Thank you for your compliment !

I started off working as a clerk in Inland Revenue Department, then as an audit trainee in a chartered accounting firm which was later a ... [/quote]


Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've also got a Advanced Diploma in Accounting from HKU SPACE

My original plan is to find an auditor junior post after I passed the ACCA core papers,
but unforunately, in the June 2006 exam, I had only passed Paper 3.6 (I want to
re-take Paper 3.5 and 3.7 in the coming December).

I'm now 28 years old and I'm worried that if I don't get into the audit / accounting
field a.s.a.p., I'd have no chance later on. So I intend to find audit job now and
take the ACCA exams at the same time.

What do you think of my situation and my plan?

Thank you and looking forward to your advice.

I'd also like to have the advice from everybody else in this forum. Thank you!

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ... [/quote]

Hi brother wander,

Again, thank you for your compliment and cngratulation to you for having obtained an Advanced Diploma in Accounting from HKU SPACE after 5 years of hard work. I understand how hard it really is to attend evening classes after work.

Your advanced diploma should at least equate you as an undergraduate, if not a graduate. As I understand that audit and accounting field is now short of new comers, you may first try those reputable audit firms first because their labels can really give you credit when you want to join the commercial sector after you have worked for them for a few years.

If you are not lucky with them, you may turn to the second tier of these audit firms. But the starting salary may not be desirable by most of you, about $6,000 per month.

Please let us all know after you have gone through above and best wishes to your search for a desirable position in this field. Welcome aboard, wander ... :givemefive:

[quote]原帖由 [i]wander[/i] 於 2006-8-24 12:48 PM 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ... [/quote]

I have been out of the touch with the system - Paper 3.X, does that mean you are closing in on qualifying??  If so, I think despite at the age of 28, you might still have a chance to join the Chartered Accountants firm.  I might make an inquiry at EY to see what their position is.  Just curious, why would anyone take ACCA instead of the ICPA these days?  They have been treated like dirts by ICPA lately.

You did write impeccable English, succintly and well organized.  I hope you speak just as good.  It would work to your advantage as I believe few of their new intakes could write anywhere near as good.

Don't know about the salary level, but the $6,000 brother Taurus mentioned above kinda surprised me.   I thought the big-4 now pays well over $10,000 and the 2nd tier shouldn't be that far behind.  But my advice is, as long as you can survive at the low wage, you should invest in your future by joining the audit firm.  It will pay off soon.