why is it cheaper than all other brand?

I think it is due to Dell sells the notebook directly without any distributos.

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原帖由 abc888 於 2006-8-15 03:41 PM 發表
why is it cheaper than all other brand?

No reseller nor distributor certainly save a lot of $. But other reason like:
1. cheap hardware components.
2. Less QC
3. Poor support
all of the above make Dell ever a most profitable US co. in US.

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-15 10:05 AM 發表

No reseller nor distributor certainly save a lot of $. But other reason like:
1. cheap hardware components.
2. Less QC
3. Poor support
all of the above make Dell ever a most profitable US co. ...

其實我不知你有否用過 dell,

(1) 其實而家notebook好多都共用 oem 底板, 有時好多孖生兄弟走出來...
(2) less qc, 又未必可以省錢, 因為現在 support全部係找人代做, 佢地下下都成個 parts換...如果 qc差, 咪賠到傻...
(3) poor support, 而家有邊間唔poor...

dell 未必最好, 但總算叫合符付出...

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-15 10:31 PM 發表


其實我不知你有否用過 dell,

(1) 其實而家notebook好多都共用 oem 底板, 有時好多孖生兄弟走出來...
(2) less qc, 又未必可以省錢, 因為現在 support全部係找人代做, 佢地下下都成個 parts換...如果 qc差 ...

好似同我用個好似無乜關係.. 唔通個個用過先可以出post 定係 版主你又用個 Dell 既所有notebook 而作出以上回應

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-15 04:50 PM 發表

好似同我用個好似無乜關係.. 唔通個個用過先可以出post 定係 版主你又用個 Dell 既所有notebook 而作出以上回應

唔係唔可以發言...我無用哂所有dell notebook...
我只知道很多大機構都選dell 為公司用的 notebook...

我發言係因為我咁多年來在 it 工作, 用過 dell server, dell workstation
亦接觸過大部份的notebook series,
發現跟兄台所說有所出入, 才有意見提出..

什麼版主不版主, 你想做小弟隨時讓有能者居之

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-16 01:02 AM 發表

唔係唔可以發言...我無用哂所有dell notebook...
我只知道很多大機構都選dell 為公司用的 notebook...

我發言係因為我咁多年來在 it 工作, 用過 dell server, dell workstation
亦接觸過大部份的notebook series,
發現跟兄台所說有所出入, 才有意見提出..

什麼版主不版主, 你想做小弟隨時讓有能者居之

長谷兄言重, 我之所以提出Dell quality 之差全因為有客戶於兩年間將公司百多台Server全部換晒Dell, 而最後亦於短短數年將所有機write-off, 而聽聞Dell supprt 之水準令人汗額. Ad-hoc CPU replacement 要等成個月. 而當年佢地 spec所寫既最高support 8 CPUs亦 因overheat問題要用四部冷風機輪流降溫, 最後都係要拆番四粒出黎. 唔知長谷兄所指既工作用過Dell Product, 係d咩野類型既公司呢 ?

至於Dell Notebook, 我相信就算係人云亦云好, 妖言惑眾又好,  相信長谷兄都應該有聽聞 佢地d notebook overheat 而引至自燃既新聞吧 ? 如果咁既品質都仍算係 "未必最好, 但總算叫合符付出..." , 咁小弟必然三緘其口.

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-15 05:26 PM 發表

長谷兄言重, 我之所以提出Dell quality 之差全因為有客戶於兩年間將公司百多台Server全部換晒Dell, 而最後亦於短短數年將所有機write-off, 而聽聞Dell supprt 之水準令人汗額. Ad-hoc CPU replacement 要等成個 ...

我所工作的公司不是太大, 只是philps, 我可能好彩啦...的server 同 workstation 都無大問題, 有問題都可以在1-2天內有 parts, 而且我試過同佢講 harddisk 有事, 佢 check都無check 就 send左 harddisk 比我.

我自己係屋企部dell notebook成日開足24小時(連電池), 都無過熱問題(公司的notebook都係咁), 火牛或者電池過熱的確係dell 問題, 因為佢無check代生產商, 但如果有留意新聞, ibm 及 nikon 等大公司亦有同類事件產生, dell　不是唯一．．．

我舊公司(philips)的dell都要write off, 但原因係的 p2 450mhz 用左5年都未有事, 咪1-200元賣比的員工...
我可以將公司名說出, 不如你亦將那客戶名提出, 讓大家可以參考....
唔記得左提 vishay 成個集團都係用 dell...
我只記得公司有一年嘗試同ibm買機及server, 一年後決定停, 因為 ibm service level 未合乎要求...

兄台不用三緘其口, 討論區沒有討論, 何以叫討論區?

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-16 10:17 AM 發表



我所工作的公司不是太大, 只是philps, 我可能好彩啦...的server 同 workstation 都無大問題, 有問題都可以在1-2天內有 parts, 而且我試過同佢講 harddisk 有事, 佢 check都無check 就 send左 harddisk 比我.

我自己係屋企部dell notebook成日開足24小時(連電池), 都無過熱問題(公司的notebook都係咁), 火牛或者電池過熱的確係dell 問題, 因為佢無check代生產商, 但如果有留意新聞, ibm 及 nikon 等大公司亦有同類事件產生, dell　不是唯一．．．

我舊公司(philips)的dell都要write off, 但原因係的 p2 450mhz 用左5年都未有事, 咪1-200元賣比的員工...
我可以將公司名說出, 不如你亦將那客戶名提出, 讓大家可以參考....
唔記得左提 vishay 成個集團都係用 dell...
我只記得公司有一年嘗試同ibm買機及server, 一年後決定停, 因為 ibm service level 未合乎要求...

兄台不用三緘其口, 討論區沒有討論, 何以叫討論區?  

哦, 明白晒.... 當然樹大有枯枝.. HP, IBM, Dell好都有長處亦有其短處.. 但長谷兄就較好彩, 由Server 到 Notebook 都無大問題. 至於我既客戶就不便言明, 係M字頭保險及H字頭銀行....

不過如果我個人就絕不會提議網友買Dell 既 notebook. 小弟只鐘情IBM Notebook. 至於由聯想接手以後既系列, 正在試用中, 整體上亦保持水準.

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-16 02:40 AM 發表

哦, 明白晒.... 當然樹大有枯枝.. HP, IBM, Dell好都有長處亦有其短處.. 但長谷兄就較好彩, 由Server 到 Notebook 都無大問題. 至於我既客戶就不便言明, 係M字頭保險及H字頭銀行....

不過如果我個人 ...

我都用過 ibm notebook, 可能我不喜歡黑色啦...
其實買什麼 notebook 都可以,
反而我認為大家應該加多些少錢將warranty extend 到 3年...
因為通常第一年 notebook 都好少出事....

我唔喜歡 ibm 係無 on-site, 有事唔該拿去 centre  repair 啦...

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-16 11:05 AM 發表


我都用過 ibm notebook, 可能我不喜歡黑色啦...
其實買什麼 notebook 都可以,
反而我認為大家應該加多些少錢將warranty extend 到 3年...
因為通常第一年 notebook 都好少出事....

我唔喜歡 ibm 係無 on-site, 有事唔該拿去 centre  repair 啦...

真係觀點與角度啦, 有好多公司Biz Executive 硬性規定一定要黑色以保持專業影像 . . .

無on-site 其實的確唔係咁好, 但佢地個repair centre 幾有效率, 一般你放低半日至一日都可以整好比你(包埋換spare parts) 但一般上門 services都唔會帶 spare parts, 一來一回都一樣拖你幾日...

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-16 03:34 AM 發表

真係觀點與角度啦, 有好多公司Biz Executive 硬性規定一定要黑色以保持專業影像 . . .

無on-site 其實的確唔係咁好, 但佢地個repair centre 幾有效率, 一般你放低半日至一日都可以整好比你(包埋換spare ...

所以我每次都同佢講定有什麼問題...叫佢拿定parts上來...

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-16 11:36 AM 發表


所以我每次都同佢講定有什麼問題...叫佢拿定parts上來...

我地傾左咁耐, 長谷兄都沒回應網友點解Dell會比其他Notebook平既原因 ? 因你有實際應用經驗, 所以最適合說明原因!

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-16 05:42 AM 發表

我地傾左咁耐, 長谷兄都沒回應網友點解Dell會比其他Notebook平既原因 ? 因你有實際應用經驗, 所以最適合說明原因!

其實 dell 平的原因應該是將生產及維修全部外判, 而且採用parts換parts的方法, 沒有經銷,沒有keep stock(成品), 用make to order 的方式來經營.

加上dell 通常都不會用最新型的底板來裝配機種, 所以有時 dell 的 功能可能會比不上 diy機．．．

之前係黃金地面某舖售賣dell case 連 socket 478 mainboard 連 power, 6xx元一個, 我幫人用來裝左幾部機...

其實而家聯想lenvo的thinkcentre都好便宜...
所以dell 吸引是 它連 windows xp 一起賣時的低價...

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原帖由 mnywong 於 2006-8-15 10:05 AM 發表

No reseller nor distributor certainly save a lot of $. But other reason like:
1. cheap hardware components.
2. Less QC
3. Poor support
all of the above make Dell ever a most profitable US co. ...

唔會掛, 我用開dell desktop無乜問題播.

My company (US) use DELL & IBM over 5 years. If I buy a notebook, will choose DELL
as well, why? Below 7K can buy a coreduo, which brand can offer? When u buy it for 3 years, just replace another one, no need to repair la. Also, from my company's
experience, DELL is better than IBM, IBM always with screen, USB, mother board problem. But DELL without this, one is 11k but other just 7k, which one is better?
except the weight of DELL, it is over 2.4kg but IBM should less than 2kg (some models)

Dell's components are not very reliable. IBM's are much better.

I used 2 IBMs & 2 DELLs notebook B4, only IBM with problems (USB, Motherboard, sound card), however, DELL are problemfree.
The only reason to let my company to buy a new PC is the CPU speed or the repair charge is unreasonable. Shuch as IBM need to pay 2K to repair the screen problem.

If u got 1M in your pocket, it is no need to consider which brand u prefer. Just as your servant to buy. If I only got 20K, I will choose the cheapest but with same performance. The main point is "no need to repair"

Some of my friends have terrible experience in Dell's support, IBM (Lenovo) is much better.

i have no problem with Dell

While it is true that Dell uses slightly lesser components, hardware and heatsink are so reliable nowadays that the average user rarely notices any reliability/performance differences amongst dell and more premium brands like IBM or Fujitsu.  

We have been using ~40 Dell Dimension desktops (low end) and Inpiron Laptops for almost 3 years now and the only problem we've had is one bust Maxtor hard drive.   That's not bad in my book.  Also, we received one network printer (3100cn) that didn't have a buit-in network card.  But dell sent us a replacement within 30hrs.  So they've been pretty good for us.

Slightly off topic:

Why are branded computers and accessories cheaper in the US than in China, where the products are made? anyone have any insight?

Don't know why the price difference. May be due to the taxes policy between US & China. Most of the component came from China, SE asia countires etc.

Also, does any one know where is the components came from such as Fujisu, since it is a "Japan" make PC!!

真係觀點與角度啦, 有好多公司Biz Executive 硬性規定一定要黑色以保持專業影像 . . .

我個人對黑色就好反感，個個著到好似酒樓的侍應，一係似教父送殯咁，

材料啦