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I tell you what:
Most rubbish posts exist in our boards are being dealt, such as: the sender being banned, the content being erased...but those exist in boards without establishment of board master might not be removed if no moderators or xocatii have come across them. The reason why I post it in a universal board is to tell all the members in the forum: We are doing this, and willing to treat the board upon request. Take me as an example, I wouldn't enter all the boards/daughter boards and therefore I won't be able to know if rubbish posts of this kind being left there unattended!

I do understand the way I am doing is not the best one, I think the way likes what Kenny01 has suggested might be better, but I could do nothing except what I've done for the time being!

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I've cleared from bottom to top for the boards mentioed above. It's easier for other authorised person (moderators incl. me and xocatii) to follow the clearance.

I have asked xocatii to establish board masters for the board having moderator vacancies. I hope he will promptly respond to my request. I will proceed a sample procedure regarding this once he accepts my proposal.

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I tell you what:
Most rubbish posts exist in our boards are being dealt, such as: the sender being banned, the content being erased...but those exist in boards without establishment of board  ...

agree!!

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Date: 16/3/07

Board involved: Politics ®É¨Æ¬F§½ (with dummy board master)
No. of rubbish threads being removed=50
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[ ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¨D¨ä ©ó 2007-3-16 16:46 ½s¿è ]

You can see the one posting the ad today
izjmwf and fztzor are the same person.
He just used  different name to register again after the first one was banned.

The Ad must be dealt in the source,rather to erase them afterward.
To stop them register or stop them posting ad.

I saw the welcome message in the top to welcome that guy as new member, then that guy start to post ad.

Can some barrier be put to stop them work so quick, at least slow it down.

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­ì©«¥Ñ fighterplane ©ó 2007-3-16 17:16 µoªí
You can see the one posting the ad today
izjmwf and fztzor are the same person.
He just used  different name to register again after the first one was banned.

The Ad must be dealt in the sourc ...

Thank you for your informing us. I think I have just removed most of their posts in boards without board master after reveiving your notice. (I've spent about half an hour repeating the work I'd performed 14/3/07 to remove all the newly generated rubbish posts from all the boards without board masters)

To do something at the registration stage is good in theory, but is hard to put in real life practice in xocat. I think the poliy below may be useful:

1. Establish for each board a board master who's not ¤£称织 immediately¡F or

2. Build up a new mechanism for board master/moderator to react to forbidden post:

Forbidden post can be classified into 2 classes, namely posts built up by a certain member in a particular board for a certain topic, and that by the troublesome members like fitxor, noviou you've mentioned who post the same forbidden post over all boards of our forum.

For type I, I think it's easier for the board master ot deal with,
For type 2, it's the problem in all board without board master,since the existing work-flow results in banning that guy and erasal of the content of his article, and then nothing including the most important task: removing it out of the board.
If we have a new work -flow for moderators to use, such as sorting these kind of forbidden postmen one they started to post these, for example, when a board master see one, he could have a way to activate a certain flow that all the articles posted by these members can be sorted out and removed in one time...
   

For the time being as there is no work-flow for the second proposal as mntioned above, I hope xocat could immediately establish a board master for each board and daughter boards in xocat forum, such that the rubbish posts could be dealt with regularly.

[ ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ¨D¨ä ©ó 2007-3-16 17:39 ½s¿è ]

Thanks for your hard work to remove those rubbish from the forum.
I agree with you that individual board master should take care of the posts in their own board,
to deal with those Äé¤ô and Ads.
But you can see there are so many vacancy in the boards, so those boards are free to attack.
Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well.
But that is only a short term solution,
XOCAT should have a long term solution, otherwise all board masters and moderators will ¯h©ó©b©R

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­ì©«¥Ñ fighterplane ©ó 2007-3-16 18:08 µoªí
Thanks for your hard work to remove those rubbish from the forum.
I agree with you that individual board master should take care of the posts in their own board,
to deal with those Äé¤ô and Ads.
...

If every boards have their moderators, and if the moderators are not lazy, it's not a hard work for them to deal with that. Therefore I hope xocatii will establish each board a board mster at once. For a long run, we can massively treat these rubbish posts according to my above-mentioned proposal

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­ì©«¥Ñ fighterplane ©ó 2007-3-16 18:08 µoªí
...Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well. ...

It's what I asked xocatii before in dealing with these "rubbish" across other daughter board.
Eventually, the result is returned as "NO REPLY".
It's hard to build up the loyalty for those daughter board moderator.

[ ¥»©«³Ì«á¥Ñ ©}¦Ú¤ó ©ó 2007-3-16 18:22 ½s¿è ]

Xocat II Forum » ¥~¦aª©
(moderator of this board has absent from her duty for a long time)

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No. of rubbish threads being removed= 19

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If every boards have their moderators,  

I don't think we can have enough moderators for every board,
unless the number of boards reduced to certain amount like the old forum.
Or combine those daughter boards such as mobile phone into one.

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It's what I asked xocatii before in dealing with these "rubbish" across other daughter board.
Eventually, the result is returned as "NO REPLY".
It's hard to build up  ...

I didn't see any positive response from XOCAT so far.
Maybe there are responses in the moderator board that I don't know.
I only see moderator ¨D¨ä works very hard to remove rubbish,
and also some individual board master do so in their own board.

It is the most important thing to keep the forum healthy rather than have a high hit rate.
The rubbish will kill the forum finally rather than increase the hit rate.

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­ì©«¥Ñ fighterplane ©ó 2007-3-16 18:08 µoªí
...Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well....

If the duty of a board master is just to remove rubbish from his board, then extending the power of every board masters to let them have the ability of managing the posts in other boards is enough.

But in my opinion, a board master of a certain board should be a person who's familiar with the culture and norm of it, such that he can effectively manage the posts as well as help improve the board he's managing. In this aspect, I think we should have at least one board master per each bord/daughter board instead of extending the power of all the board masters. A board governed by a ¥~¦æ¤H might not have large progress as if it is managed by its frequent user who's appointed as it board master.

I don't worry about what you've said that there is no enough members to be appointed as board master for every existing board. I've given a proposal to xocatii and will commence the process once he approves it.

Thanks, looking forward the reply from XOCAT