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原帖由 鐵血將軍巴頓 於 2007-3-15 01:28 PM 發表

既然係比版主睇�鴾敻雪穚K響版主專區, 想比網友知就唔應該用呢編文貼出黎

不過, 講你地都係唔明架喇, 慳番啖口水暖下肚仲好過

你咁有高見，咁你咪想講辦法囉！

不過咁，我呢d低層次既會員，就真係點睇都睇唔明啦！

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原帖由 鐵血將軍巴頓 於 2007-3-15 13:28 發表

既然係比版主睇嘅文應當貼響版主專區, 想比網友知就唔應該用呢編文貼出黎

不過, 講你地都係唔明架喇, 慳番啖口水暖下肚仲好過

I tell you what:
Most rubbish posts exist in our boards are being dealt, such as: the sender being banned, the content being erased...but those exist in boards without establishment of board master might not be removed if no moderators or xocatii have come across them. The reason why I post it in a universal board is to tell all the members in the forum: We are doing this, and willing to treat the board upon request. Take me as an example, I wouldn't enter all the boards/daughter boards and therefore I won't be able to know if rubbish posts of this kind being left there unattended!

I do understand the way I am doing is not the best one, I think the way likes what Kenny01 has suggested might be better, but I could do nothing except what I've done for the time being!

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2007-3-15 21:46 編輯 ]

而家最緊要頭幾版有長線版主睇主先會好ｄ，一見廣告就做野，起碼唔會殺到落咁底吖。

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原帖由 HJ2127_ATR1 於 2007-3-15 16:56 發表
而家最緊要頭幾版有長線版主睇主先會好ｄ，一見廣告就做野，起碼唔會殺到落咁底吖。

I've cleared from bottom to top for the boards mentioed above. It's easier for other authorised person (moderators incl. me and xocatii) to follow the clearance.

I have asked xocatii to establish board masters for the board having moderator vacancies. I hope he will promptly respond to my request. I will proceed a sample procedure regarding this once he accepts my proposal.

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原帖由 HJ2127_ATR1 於 2007-3-15 04:56 PM 發表
而家最緊要頭幾版有長線版主睇主先會好ｄ，一見廣告就做野，起碼唔會殺到落咁底�魽C

你個建議都唔錯，但係另一方面都俾左個壓力頭幾版既版主囉。

其實若果任何一個版主見到有人post 垃圾廣告，即係ban左佢、或者禁止佢發言都可以ga la！

暫時黎講，呢個係可行的辦法。

其實kenny的建議係最好，可能大版主要兼顧好多野，又或者大版主唔熟悉，因為以我所知，有d forum申請成為會員係需要驗証.........

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你個建議都唔錯，但係另一方面都俾左個壓力頭幾版既版主囉。

我估唔會卦，而家頭幾版都冇乜版主，又或者揀較多人氣既版排向頭，會比較好ｄ。

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其實若果任何一個版主見到有人post 垃圾廣告，即係ban左佢、或者禁止佢發言都可以ga la！

但唔係每版既版主都會入去睇架，真係有廣告都未必知，有時要殺到自己版先知，但守尾門咪之前幾版比人落晒廣告。

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暫時黎講，呢個係可行的辦法。

當然係一個暫時性既辦法。

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原帖由 HJ2127_ATR1 於 2007-3-15 05:12 PM 發表


我估唔會卦，而家頭幾版都冇乜版主，又或者揀較多人氣既版排向頭，會比較好ｄ。



但唔係每版既版主都會入去睇架，真係有廣告都未必知，有時要殺到自己版先知，但守尾門咪之前幾版比人落晒廣告。


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咪就係叫你幫手囉

Computer & Internet 電腦及互聯網

Removed by: 求其
Date: As at 15/3/07

Board involved:   Design 電腦設計技術交流
No. of rubbish threads being removed= cleared previously

Daughter board involved: Graphic Design 電腦圖像設計
No. of rubbish threads being removed= cleared previously

Daughter board involved: Web Design 網頁設計討論區
No. of rubbish threads being removed= cleared previously

Computer & Internet 電腦及互聯網

Removed by: 求其
Date: As at 15/3/07

Board involved:  Certifications 電腦網絡認證考試
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 33
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Board involved: Operating System 作業系統
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 25

Daughter board involved: Linux 討論區
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 23

Daughter board involved: 蘋果電腦 Mac 討論區
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Board involved: Computer Network 電腦網路系統


Daughter board involved: Internet 互聯網
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 45
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Board involved: PDA 掌上電腦
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 2 (board master of this board should pay attention, as the rubbish has been there for over 1 week)

Daughter board involved: Pocket PC
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 20

Daughter board involved: Palm 掌上電腦
No. of rubbish threads being removed= 21

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2007-3-15 18:21 編輯 ]

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原帖由 求其 於 2007-3-15 16:34 發表


I tell you what:
Most rubbish posts exist in our boards are being dealt, such as: the sender being banned, the content being erased...but those exist in boards without establishment of board  ...

agree!!

求版主，我有小小野想反映；有某些廣告post被禁言而自動屏蔽，但係仍然可以發表回覆，會唔會引起其他問題呢?
例如容易成為灌水既地方，例如：:http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-68452-1-1.html

如果將D廣告post係發帖者被禁言後，順手將個post移去垃圾桶或者鎖住佢，咁會唔會好D呢?

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原帖由 anakin 於 2007-3-15 10:24 PM 發表
求版主，我有小小野想反映；有某些廣告post被禁言而自動屏蔽，但係仍然可以發表回覆，會唔會引起其他問題呢?
例如容易成為灌水既地方，例如：:http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-68452-1-1.html

如果將D廣告p ...

其實各版主都將廣告的post搬走，至於冇版主既版，求其已在這之前搬走晒，不過始終搬唔切啦！

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原帖由 紅豆沙 於 2007-3-16 08:36 發表

其實各版主都將廣告的post搬走，至於冇版主既版，求其已在這之前搬走晒，不過始終搬唔切啦！

差不多,还未完全搬走,会继续搬

Culture 學術文化

Removed by: 求其
Date: 16/3/07

Board involved: Politics 時事政局 (with dummy board master)
No. of rubbish threads being removed=50
(not yet finished, since Politics is too sensitive in the mainland that I've experienced 死连结 for severl times during my removing the rubbish post from this board)

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2007-3-16 16:46 編輯 ]

You can see the one posting the ad today
izjmwf and fztzor are the same person.
He just used  different name to register again after the first one was banned.

The Ad must be dealt in the source,rather to erase them afterward.
To stop them register or stop them posting ad.

I saw the welcome message in the top to welcome that guy as new member, then that guy start to post ad.

Can some barrier be put to stop them work so quick, at least slow it down.

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原帖由 fighterplane 於 2007-3-16 17:16 發表
You can see the one posting the ad today
izjmwf and fztzor are the same person.
He just used  different name to register again after the first one was banned.

The Ad must be dealt in the sourc ...

Thank you for your informing us. I think I have just removed most of their posts in boards without board master after reveiving your notice. (I've spent about half an hour repeating the work I'd performed 14/3/07 to remove all the newly generated rubbish posts from all the boards without board masters)

To do something at the registration stage is good in theory, but is hard to put in real life practice in xocat. I think the poliy below may be useful:

1. Establish for each board a board master who's not 不称织 immediately； or

2. Build up a new mechanism for board master/moderator to react to forbidden post:

Forbidden post can be classified into 2 classes, namely posts built up by a certain member in a particular board for a certain topic, and that by the troublesome members like fitxor, noviou you've mentioned who post the same forbidden post over all boards of our forum.

For type I, I think it's easier for the board master ot deal with,
For type 2, it's the problem in all board without board master,since the existing work-flow results in banning that guy and erasal of the content of his article, and then nothing including the most important task: removing it out of the board.
If we have a new work -flow for moderators to use, such as sorting these kind of forbidden postmen one they started to post these, for example, when a board master see one, he could have a way to activate a certain flow that all the articles posted by these members can be sorted out and removed in one time...
   

For the time being as there is no work-flow for the second proposal as mntioned above, I hope xocat could immediately establish a board master for each board and daughter boards in xocat forum, such that the rubbish posts could be dealt with regularly.

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2007-3-16 17:39 編輯 ]

Thanks for your hard work to remove those rubbish from the forum.
I agree with you that individual board master should take care of the posts in their own board,
to deal with those 灌水 and Ads.
But you can see there are so many vacancy in the boards, so those boards are free to attack.
Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well.
But that is only a short term solution,
XOCAT should have a long term solution, otherwise all board masters and moderators will 疲於奔命

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原帖由 fighterplane 於 2007-3-16 18:08 發表
Thanks for your hard work to remove those rubbish from the forum.
I agree with you that individual board master should take care of the posts in their own board,
to deal with those 灌水 and Ads.
...

If every boards have their moderators, and if the moderators are not lazy, it's not a hard work for them to deal with that. Therefore I hope xocatii will establish each board a board mster at once. For a long run, we can massively treat these rubbish posts according to my above-mentioned proposal

Food and Drinks 飲飲食食 » Recipes 食譜版

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Date: As at 16/3/07

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原帖由 fighterplane 於 2007-3-16 18:08 發表
...Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well. ...

It's what I asked xocatii before in dealing with these "rubbish" across other daughter board.
Eventually, the result is returned as "NO REPLY".
It's hard to build up the loyalty for those daughter board moderator.

[ 本帖最後由 屈臣氏 於 2007-3-16 18:22 編輯 ]

Xocat II Forum » 外地版
(moderator of this board has absent from her duty for a long time)

Removed by: 求其
Date: As at 16/3/07

No. of rubbish threads being removed= 19

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原帖由 求其 於 2007-3-16 06:14 PM 發表


If every boards have their moderators,  

I don't think we can have enough moderators for every board,
unless the number of boards reduced to certain amount like the old forum.
Or combine those daughter boards such as mobile phone into one.

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原帖由 屈臣氏 於 2007-3-16 06:19 PM 發表


It's what I asked xocatii before in dealing with these "rubbish" across other daughter board.
Eventually, the result is returned as "NO REPLY".
It's hard to build up  ...

I didn't see any positive response from XOCAT so far.
Maybe there are responses in the moderator board that I don't know.
I only see moderator 求其 works very hard to remove rubbish,
and also some individual board master do so in their own board.

It is the most important thing to keep the forum healthy rather than have a high hit rate.
The rubbish will kill the forum finally rather than increase the hit rate.

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原帖由 fighterplane 於 2007-3-16 18:08 發表
...Can the power of the existing board master be extended, so that they can take care of the daughter boards or if possible other boards as well....

If the duty of a board master is just to remove rubbish from his board, then extending the power of every board masters to let them have the ability of managing the posts in other boards is enough.

But in my opinion, a board master of a certain board should be a person who's familiar with the culture and norm of it, such that he can effectively manage the posts as well as help improve the board he's managing. In this aspect, I think we should have at least one board master per each bord/daughter board instead of extending the power of all the board masters. A board governed by a 外行人 might not have large progress as if it is managed by its frequent user who's appointed as it board master.

I don't worry about what you've said that there is no enough members to be appointed as board master for every existing board. I've given a proposal to xocatii and will commence the process once he approves it.

Thanks, looking forward the reply from XOCAT