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作者: abcd_efg 時間: 2007-5-29 02:24 標題: 對現今教師學歷的質疑

到底現在教師學歷的要求是什麼 ? 我對天水圍宣道會葉 x 蔭紀念小學裡的一位訓導主任的學歷水平很有質疑? 是不是不用任教主科就不需學歷的要求呢?主任級的學歷要求不是要高一些的嗎? 連跟菲傭的英語對答都有問題, 試問怎樣放心交下學童? 還不用說訓導. 到底這所學校的聘用方向是什麼? 有否想過學生呢 ?

作者: answerbo 時間: 2007-6-1 03:15

有道理！是要好好思考一下了

作者: wilsonqut 時間: 2007-6-2 08:13

訓導 and English are not higly related, you cannot expect the Chinese/other subjects teacher must be good in English. Besides, ability in English is not a indicator or knowledge.

作者: KidHung 時間: 2007-6-4 19:50

英文水平，唔見得教師一定會高！
分分鐘．．．一個中五學生都好過教師。

作者: 紅豆沙 時間: 2007-6-4 20:17

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原帖由 abcd_efg 於 2007-5-29 02:24 AM 發表
到底現在教師學歷的要求是什麼 ? 我對天水圍宣道會葉 x 蔭紀念小學裡的一位訓導主任的學歷水平很有質疑? 是不是不用任教主科就不需學歷的要求呢?主任級的學歷要求不是要高一些的嗎? 連跟菲傭的英語對答都有問題, ...

一位教師或一位訓導主任，當然佢一定符合聘請的要求，即是說他/她一定完成某一個指定的課程、學位、........專上資格等。

作者: DreamCream 時間: 2007-6-7 14:35

訓導主任也負責教英文嗎？如果他不是負責教英文的老師，不用擔心

作者: whiteleetang 時間: 2007-6-13 09:49

訓導主任也應該有必要的聘請要求，否則就是對孩童和父母的不負責

作者: dd05ng 時間: 2007-6-14 12:46 標題: 回復 #1 abcd_efg 的帖子

This may not be a fair accusation. If the media of instruction in that particular primary school is not English, then it is definitely not necessarily for every individual teacher to be proficient in English.

The fact that there appeared to be a communication problem between that teacher and a Filipino household helper did not automatically mean that the education level of the teacher is not up to the required standard. Fluent oral English does not equal to educational standard. Besides, some of the Filipino household helpers' spoken English are not that easy to understand.

Of course, I do not know that school nor that teacher. I am not a teacher and I am a parent myself. My opinion is not meant to be offensive. All I want to express is that it is not fair to jump to the conclusion immediately that the teacher is not qualified.

作者: NewbieMonkey 時間: 2007-6-14 13:24

英語能力跟學歷沒太大關係
如果佢不是教英文...而且平時沒多用的話
生疏不會太驚奇...

另外..
一般教師的入職學歷是大學畢業+教育文憑
要成為主任只要有一定年資就可以...

作者: saimei1962 時間: 2007-6-24 17:28

亦都唔好以为係菲傭嘅英文都係好！！

作者: Brat 時間: 2007-6-24 23:12

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原帖由 dd05ng 於 2007-6-14 12:46 發表
This may not be a fair accusation. If the media of instruction in that particular primary school is not English, then it is definitely not necessarily for every individual teacher to be proficient ...

A teacher needs to be a degree holder along with having passed thu education training. After having been educated for being a teacher for years, if a teacher do not speak English coz he is not teaching English. Do you accept that a teacher is an illiterate given that he is not teaching language?

No mercy to unqualified teacher any more.

作者: dd05ng 時間: 2007-6-25 22:21

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原帖由 Brat 於 2007-6-24 23:12 發表

Do you accept that a teacher is an illiterate given that he is not teaching language?

As the question seemed to be addressed to me, I am obliged to reiterate my opinion once more.

Perhaps it's due to my illiteracy, I might have misled you to believe that I do accept illiterate and unqualified teachers. Definitely it was not my intention. I do not think our society should tolerate "unqualified", "illiterate", "lazy", or "irresponsible" teachers. On the other hand, our society should be responsible and careful enough to avoid the kind of casual unjustified accusations.

I simply cannot agree with the conclusion that a primary school teacher is “illiterate” and “unqualified” just because there appeared to be a kind of communication difficulty between that teacher and a Filipino maid.

It is my opinion that :
1. It is not mandatory for a teacher of a Chinese primary school to be proficient in spoken English.

2. One should not casually jump to the conclusion that the teacher was weak in English proficiency because there appeared to be some sort of communication problem between the teacher and a Filipino maid. This should not be considered as very unusual as both parties were non-native English speakers. Even in Britain, some very well educated English people may have difficulty to understand their fellow countrymen’s spoken English with strong accents (Yorkshire accent, Black country accent, Cockney accent, Scottish accent, etc)

3. A teacher is supposed to be well educated. Nevertheless, education is not the equivalence of English proficiency. Even if a primary school teacher is not proficient in written and spoken English, he/she does not deserved to be called an “illiterate”. Similarly, some Filipino household helpers are also very well educated, however, they speak English with a very strong Filipino accent which prevents people to understand them comfortably in the first instance. They are definitely not deserved to be called “illiterate”.

4. On the other hand, a person who is fluent in spoken English is not necessarily an educated person.

I may not be literate enough to understand your point, so please forgive me if I misinterpret.

作者: moxfactor 時間: 2007-6-26 03:39

brat, i hope i'm not mistaking due to your last sentence, but this is a Hong Kong that has been returned to China.  albeit English is an important international communication language, shouldn't the focus be on how competent these teachers are in Chinese(both cantonese and mandarin) rather than an expat language?

imho, i'd much rather jump on, if there are any, ABC teachers who aren't fluent in any form of Chinese, teaching in any school in Hong Kong.  with no regards to politics, a majority of this city's citizens are chinese, and chinese should be the mandatory language, not english.

similar to what saimei1962 said, maids of south asian descent often have a very different accent than ours, for example, many filipinos speak tagalog, and their english reflects that(not to mention some spanish, portuguese, and US english subtleties).  it'd be hard pressed to find any english teacher in the world that can understand all english accents.

and perhaps a little nationalistic, but it's about time all those non-chinese speakers living in HK start learning some chinese, instead of us having to compensate for their laziness.  i don't see vancouver public schools with over 60% chinese students forcing their anglophone teachers to have to be competent in chinese to teach english-taught subjects, nor their counsellor.

作者: renn1988 時間: 2007-7-21 10:36

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