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§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-14 15:21     ¼ÐÃD: ³æ¥´, §Yban. Instead: concrete suggestions pls. (updated on Aug 16)

With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for long... I've been silent for a long time... many many users support me banning them but I intend to wait to see if they can give us any good suggestions... instead, they just keep ³æ¥´ and ³æ¥´... this is not a healthy atmosphere...

I'm sad about this.  if you have any suggestions, just PM me.  I'm glad to resopnd.  but if any one continue to reply and ³æ¥´... I will ban him at once.  and my dear friend, Alfred, agree with my decision.

I accept suggestions, especially concrete suggestions, but not ³æ¥´.   Crticizing is very easy.  I saw an article complaing superman's clothes... it is easy for you to complain batman's clothes as well.  I can easily write such articles also... wearing red underwear... ugly?!  but what's your point?  What is your suggestion?  My suggestion is: give us concrete suggestions, but not ³æ¥´.

I have already given a very big notice that I hope all of you can discuss stuff peacefully.  Over 1 month.

The reason why I ban loksiu is that he speculate/guess someone doing something without concrete evidence.  And the fact is: loksiu say/speculate something without concrete evidence support.  Guessing (yes really guessing) that someone collects money for illegal behaviours.  He just ¨ú¯º.   Court did need concrete evidence.  I did need concrete evidence.  Until now, I still don't have this evidence.   I did know the law of any big country.  At least I do understand them.  That is ½ÚÁ½.  He is crazy.  If I suddenly laughed at you that I think you have collected money for writing an article in the forum, but without evidence, what do you think. ¤v©Ò¤£±ý¡A¤Å¬I©ó¤H.
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§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-14 16:17

I've already mentioned in the topic.  

1.  attack without concrete suggestions.  Ban...

2. negative emotion attack, even with suggestions, I will also ban.

3. My concrete suggestion is: be polite and voice out your opinions.  I'm open minded to listen.  Otherwise, if you shout and shout, even if you shout the right thing, I will shut it down.
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With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for lo ...
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§@ªÌ: AkiraYuki    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 00:28

To Batman:

your suggestion / reason are too vague!!

i can't really accept what you have done to them!!

and i feel sorry for your action!
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With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for lo ...
To Mr. XocatII,

According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary: A Forum is: a public meeting place for open discussion or a medium (as a newspaper or online service ) of open discussion or expression of ideas

If a forum is for open discussion of topics and expression of ideas, then those who joined the forum should have the rights to freely express their ideas or opinion in different ways or by using different methods. There is always more than one way to express an idea or opinion during discussion or in an argument. People with different experience, educational and social background will have different ways of expression. Some may use³æ¥´ as an implicit ways to express their opinion or some may do it in an explicit way by speaking out loudly. Whatever they use, it is still one of the ways to voice out their opinions. As long as they are not deliberately attack other members personally due to some personal issues or using Foul Languages to insult peoples, then there is nothing wrong for them if they use ³æ¥´ as their ways of expressions.

If according to your point of view, then should RTHK Banned all the "Victoria Park Old man¡¨ in the Weekly TV program City Forum, due to their ways of expression (those guys even use much more Fierce ways or even personal attacks)??

Besides, the points you made that support your action is kind of weak and I didn¡¦t see it rationalize for your decision.

First of all, I didn't see those banned members attack Xocat (all of them are super or senior VIPs'). If the word Xocat you wrote refers to our Forum, then I didn't see any evidence showing that they have done this. It is illogical for xocat members to attack their own forum, and it doesn¡¦t make any sense. However, if you refer to the word, Xocat is you then, sorry, I will say they just disagree for what you have done in certain cases but I won't put Disagree equal to Attack.

Secondly, you have try very hard to prove that you got¡¨ Many Many ¡§supports from other members but how Many is Many? One, Two, or Hundred? And you also mentioned that your friend Alfred support you, but sorry. I didn¡¦t see that have anything to do with your decision to ban more than 10 Senior Members at once.

In addition, if you are as you said that an Open Minded person, how come you would not take other people's disagreement on what you have done in some incident. Is that as a member of Xocat has to Totally Agree to what you done and cannot discuss openly in the forum? Is that an Obligation of a member in a Forum? I wonder?

Besides, you wrote, ¡§ Even if you shout the right thing, I will shut it down.¡¨ If you are really Open Minded, how come you will shut it down if it is right?  Because of Politeness? According to your point of view that³æ¥´ is not politeness?


Moreover, you said you wait for 6 months to see if they can give you Good Suggestion, even though Many Many members support you to ban them all. Did you talk to them personally or publicly that you are waiting for their Suggestions? Well, from what you wrote, it seems that you don¡¦t like them criticise without any ¡¨Concrete Suggestion¡¨. However, I just wonder if there is any rules for the member of Xocat has to give out Suggestions on what they criticise or disagree with. Did you ever see any Editors from various Newspaper need their readers to post out suggestion along with their letters to the editors for any complaint they made and will those Editors refuse to post out those complaint letters if there is no suggestions that come with it?

A last and most important thing that I totally disagree for what you have done is that, you Banned them all first, then post out the rule that ³æ¥´ is Forbidden. Well, to me as an member of xocat, it just like a policeman shot an ordinary citizen and then the police said ¡§Sorry, man your behaviour of picking nose is not acceptable and I have been watching you for half an hour and wait for you to stop but you didn¡¦t, that is why I have to kill you¡Kand from now on, whoever do the same thing, I will kill them.¡¨ Taking Action First, then made the rules or legislation later is Totally Unacceptable. It is not the right way that a Moderator does. It just give us an impression that ¡§I am the Law, I can do whatever I like or I FEEL it is right¡¨ and you have reminded me what George W. Bush said after 911 attack ¡§ You are either with us or against us¡¨.

As a member of xocat for more than 5 years, I seldom express my opinion in that General Discussion Forum and this time, I am totally Disappointed on what you have done.


If you really want  to know my Suggestion, then I will suggest you to made the rules first before you Banned them all and I will Strongly Suggest you to Re-Active their Accounts At Once.
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§@ªÌ: bgfantasy    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 07:49

Extremely busy these days, but need to set an alarm clock to login in and give you some easy suggestions for a stupid administrator like you, xocatII.

If you have the following three behavior, nothing will be happened:-

1. Actively respond to enquiries.  You are an administrator, and you ask all questions directing to you.  However, you didn't response in a timely way, or not even drop a note to the members openly that 'you heard their voices, but will reply later'.  You are not a responsbile administrator in this sense.  If you don't response, and the members keep pushing for your reply, and you said they are ³æ¥´ing.  What a nonsense proposition!  You asked them to give suggestions, what about you?  Did you give any counter suggestions to their '³æ¥´'? No!  All you have done, is ban, ban, ban!

2. Give your comments or reasoning before banning anyone.  If you are going to ban them anyway, why don't you give your reason first, and allow one day for their comments?  This will not lead to more ³æ¥´, but only an open discussion, and showing yourself as an respectful person, or your respect other members.  Now, what you're doing is just a dictator.

3. Remember who are really supporting Xocat Forum wholeheartedly.  If we don't care, or they don't care, they won't say anything.  They are not initiating any crisis to push you out of the arena.  And you?  What's your focus now?  Hit rate?  Or any insightful plan for this forum?  I don't think so.  All the members you've banned are members of over three years at least, and now you are relying on a few members, creating different names to 'hit' the forum, giving unrealistic 'attractive' reports, and attracting others to come.  Ha, do you know how short-sighted you are!

You open this thread, and you are just welcoming more criticism from others.  I know I'll be banned anyway, but you better save your energy to press the button, because anyway this forum is so disappointed, and you're pushing quality members out.  Apart from our previous CEO of HKSAR Mr. Tung, you must be the second most stupid person in HK.  Well, do I have evidence that you're really stupid?  Hmmm....this forum and your way of management is the most solid evidence.

Whether you want to change or style or not, I just don't give a fucking damn.  I believe those banned members will be united again, and appear in another forum.  And you, continue to enjoy those 'attractive' reports la.



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§@ªÌ: bgfantasy    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 07:56

http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-122132-1-1.html

Hey, administrator.  See this thread?  You just don't bother to reply?  Or just open a separate thread to 'announce' will do?  Do you know what is 'respect'?
§@ªÌ: bgfantasy    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 07:57

http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-122195-1-1.html

That's another thread, administrator.  See?

Any plan to reply?  I will just wait and see how long you'll make your announcement.
§@ªÌ: bgfantasy    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 08:00

http://forum.timway.com/f/thread-122147-1-1.html

Hey, administrator.  That's another one.  Come on!  You had a nice sauna last night and no time or no energy to reply mei?

My suggestion to you:

1. Reply one by one.  Don't say "too minor to discuss", or just a fucking "DONE".  show some respects to other members.

2. Re-activate their accounts.  Whether they will continue to give opinion, I don't care.  But at least show how you 'open' to public discussion.
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just want to ask, u said "they just keep ³æ¥´ and ³æ¥´... this is not a healthy atmosphere... "............what's ur point? what's ur concrete suggestion?

My point is u r narrowminded and my concrete suggestion is u better change ur mind.
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§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 22:35

You might not know how sad I'm killing a lot of my friends.  But some clever user has already understood why I did that.     I don't mind to have lower hitrate or what.  But we don't want to have any more troubles and bad atmosphere and war like atsmophere...

The happy side on this mass killing is that I see your responeses become more concrete and someone know how to present their thinking using articles instead of some very short sentences shouting and shouting... I'm now trying to digest your opinions so as to improve our forum.

I can't have perfect information.  So, pls try to make it easy to understand and concrete.  Thanks.

If anyone want to resume your account, PM me to apologize or state your polite ideas.  Though I reserve the final right about it.
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stay calm every body.  Do you know why I ban many of the users involved in "that thread".  If you have involved in "that thread", you should know about it.  I'm not sure who make this thing big, but for sure , crazybb is the one... and others might follow, the things become big... and this wasted a lot of resources and time to deal with that, you also wasted the money of we tax payers... what do you think you're doing?  I know that I might have killed someone who are innocent.  I'm sorry.  But over 80% of those users involved in that thread keep on ³æ¥´ and stay on the side of crazybb.  If you insist that you're not on the side of crazybb or loksiu, you're innocent.
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§@ªÌ: ´c¤Ö    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:24

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§@ªÌ: AkiraYuki    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:24

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§@ªÌ: Àn¤T¤ó    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:24

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:25

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§@ªÌ: fighterplane    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:26

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§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:28

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§ÚçܧA»~·|咗, §Ú¦a¤j®a³£­ø«Y¤Ó¦b·N­Óºô¦W.

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Please please.  Examples please... EXAMPLES.

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I'm sorry about this.  This is the bad nature of forum.  There are thousands of articles in the forum.  I can't read one by one.  But again, you didn't give me examples of the ones I neglect.  PM is better for technical/admin reasons because you can digest all of it for me.  So, it doesn't hurt you to use PM and posting forum at the same time.  

¤µ¦¸¦º咗19­Ó·|­û, §Úçܦ³¦n¦hºô¤Í¤ñ§A±ð¥[­ø¶}¤ß, ­ø«Y¦]¬°Ê\¦aÉN咗­Óºô¦W, ¦Ó«Y¦]¬°¸g¹L咗Ëݪø®É¶¡ûH´Á«Ý, ÄU§i, ¤Ï§Ü, «ü³d, "³æ¥´"¤§«á, §A³Ì²×¹ý©³¨«¦V·¥ºÝ, ±N©Ò¦³³d¥ô±À±o¤@°®¤G²b¦Óµh¤ß.

I think you didn't know the ultimate reason why I ban many of them.   Read read the previous posts la.  

¹Dºp­ø«YÃø¨Æ, §Ú²Ä¤@­Ó¦P§AÁ¿Án"sorry"(Ãö©ó§Ú±¹ÃãûH¦y»Ä¨èÁ¡), ¦ý§Ú¨ÌµM»{¬°§A¤@ª½³£«Y°µ¿ù咗, ¦Ó§A¥ç¤í©O¤@¯Z´¿¸g¥Î¤ß¥Î¤OÀ°¹L§AûHºô¤Í¤@­Ó¸ÑÄÀ¦P¹Dºp.

­nµf¥ÍûH´N¥þ³¡¤@»ô, ¤@­Ó³£¤£¯à¤Ö!!

but if you're on the side of loksiu/crazybb, I will surely ban you at once.   Dare to tell me?
this is an example of an article without concrete evidence.  Pls see above.  Though I will try to communicate more.  Thanks.
§@ªÌ: ´c¤Ö    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:29

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§@ªÌ: GK    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:30

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§@ªÌ: anakin    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:32

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:34

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:34

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:35

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:38

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§@ªÌ: GK    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:41

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§@ªÌ: GK    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:43

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§@ªÌ: ¯ª¶³¹F´µ    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:44

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stay calm every body.  Do you know why I ban many of the users involved in "that thread".  If you have involved in "that thread", you should know about it.  I'm not sure who mak ...
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§@ªÌ: keibeast    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:48

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TO: XOCAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD YOU ARE, THIS INCIDENT SHOW YOU HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH MANAGEMENT HANDLING  SKILLS. YOU ARE TOO GREEN.

THIS TIME, YOU KILL THEM ALL, THE OPPOSITION FORCE--YOU THINK. THEN WHAT? LATER NEW GUYS/LADIES COME, SOME OF THEM WILL FINALLY  BECOME YOUR ENEMIES, THEN YOU CERTAINLY WILL KILL WITH THEM NO MERCY LIKE THIS TIMEAGAIN. IS IT A SUCCESSFUL MANAGEMENT? CERTAINLY NOT!

YOU SHOULD THINK OF HOW TO STOP THE SAME PROBLEM FROM HAPPENING. WELL, IF YOU THINK OF THE DOWN SIDE, YOU SHOULD SHUT DOWN THE FORUM IMMEDIATELY. AS I ALWAYS SAY, WE ARE HERE SOLVING PROBLEM AND MAKING IT BETTER. YOU, WHO ARE THE RULE WRITTER, MUST OPEN YOUR MIND TO HEAR BEFORE MAKING ANY IMPORTANT DECISION. THIS TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE DONE THIS BASIC SKILL. FROM THE FIRST ARTICLE OF THIS THREAD, I CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE ONLY LISTENED TO YOUR SUPPORTERS BUT NOT THE OPPOSITIONS, OF COURSE NOT THE YOU-SO-CALL-FRIENDS.


§@ªÌ: lu2    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:52

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§@ªÌ: ¼éÃzªü¨û    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:52

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§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-15 23:58

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I'm sorry, I hate you.  I'm seldom on the emotional side.  But you have made the things big.  So, you're right.  I'm addicted to banning you.   This is a forum.  If you don't like me, just leave.  If I don't like you, I have any reasons to ban you.  

Though I see what you have contributed in the past.  I appreciate that.  

I'm happy to see who are on the side of loksiu/crazybb.  I'm also happy to ban them at once.  Especially those who won't talk to me for concrete suggestions.   

Pls.  Though I said I hate you.  I have very strong reasons behind.  The reason is: you can't maintain a peaceful atsmophere of discussion.  And you broke the peace.
§@ªÌ: xocatII    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-16 00:00

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Please please.  Examples please... EXAMPLES.

wan1¨Æ¥ó, Àݧ媩¥D¨Æ¥ó, ¾\ŪÅv­­255¨Æ¥ó, ¦h¤£³Ó¼Æ....

xocat: Chi seen.  solved already la.  
xocat: Àݧ媩¥D¨Æ¥ó.  Thanks.  I will be more careful about this.

¦ý«Y¥t¤@¤è­±, §A¹ïpm§AûH¤p¤H´N¨¥Å¥­p±q. §Ú¦a¤@¯Z±q¤£¥´¤p³ø§iûH¤H, °í«ù¨ÆµL¤£¥i¹ï¤H¨¥ûH¤ßºA, Ä~Äò喺ª©­±¥XÁn.
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I'm sorry about this.  This is the bad nature of forum.  There are thousands of articles in the forum.  I can't read one by one.  But again, you didn't give me examples of the ones I neglect.  PM is better for technical/admin reasons because you can digest all of it for me.  So, it doesn't hurt you to use PM and posting forum at the same time.  

喺ª©­±Á¿«Y­Ú¤j®a°Ñ»P°Q½×, pm¥u«Y¤p°é¤l·N¨£, ¤£¯à¨ú¤§¥H¥Î.

¤µ¦¸¦º咗19­Ó·|­û, §Úçܦ³¦n¦hºô¤Í¤ñ§A±ð¥[­ø¶}¤ß, ­ø«Y¦]¬°Ê\¦aÉN咗­Óºô¦W, ¦Ó«Y¦]¬°¸g¹L咗Ëݪø®É¶¡ûH´Á«Ý, ÄU§i, ¤Ï§Ü, «ü³d, "³æ¥´"¤§«á, §A³Ì²×¹ý©³¨«¦V·¥ºÝ, ±N©Ò¦³³d¥ô±À±o¤@°®¤G²b¦Óµh¤ß.

I think you didn't know the ultimate reason why I ban many of them.   Read read the previous posts la.  

§ÚçܧA·Q¤H©ú¥Õ§A¤§«e, ³Â·Ð¥ý«ÈÆ[¦aÅ¥¨ú¤Ï¹ïûHÁn­µ.

¹Dºp­ø«YÃø¨Æ, §Ú²Ä¤@­Ó¦P§AÁ¿Án"sorry"(Ãö©ó§Ú±¹ÃãûH¦y»Ä¨èÁ¡), ¦ý§Ú¨ÌµM»{¬°§A¤@ª½³£«Y°µ¿ù咗, ¦Ó§A¥ç¤í©O¤@¯Z´¿¸g¥Î¤ß¥Î¤OÀ°¹L§AûHºô¤Í¤@­Ó¸ÑÄÀ¦P¹Dºp.

­nµf¥ÍûH´N¥þ³¡¤@»ô, ¤@­Ó³£¤£¯à¤Ö!!

but if you're on the side of loksiu/crazybb, I will surely ban you at once.   Dare to tell me?

§Ú«Y¦P·NÊ\¦aûHÚ»ªk!! §A¥i¥H¸Ü嗰±øthreadÉN°ÝÃD??


§@ªÌ: Â_­I¤s    ®É¶¡: 2007-8-16 00:06

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§ÚçܧA»~·|咗, §Ú¦a¤j®a³£­ø«Y¤Ó¦b·N­Óºô¦W.

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Please please.  Examples please... EXAMPLES.

wan1¨Æ¥ó, Àݧ媩¥D¨Æ¥ó, ¾\ŪÅv­­255¨Æ¥ó, ¦h¤£³Ó¼Æ....

xocat: Chi seen.  solved already la.  
xocat: Àݧ媩¥D¨Æ¥ó.  Thanks.  I will be more careful about this.

¦ý«Y¥t¤@¤è­±, §A¹ïpm§AûH¤p¤H´N¨¥Å¥­p±q. §Ú¦a¤@¯Z±q¤£¥´¤p³ø§iûH¤H, °í«ù¨ÆµL¤£¥i¹ï¤H¨¥ûH¤ßºA, Ä~Äò喺ª©­±¥XÁn.
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I'm sorry about this.  This is the bad nature of forum.  There are thousands of articles in the forum.  I can't read one by one.  But again, you didn't give me examples of the ones I neglect.  PM is better for technical/admin reasons because you can digest all of it for me.  So, it doesn't hurt you to use PM and posting forum at the same time.  

喺ª©­±Á¿«Y­Ú¤j®a°Ñ»P°Q½×, pm¥u«Y¤p°é¤l·N¨£, ¤£¯à¨ú¤§¥H¥Î.

¤µ¦¸¦º咗19­Ó·|­û, §Úçܦ³¦n¦hºô¤Í¤ñ§A±ð¥[­ø¶}¤ß, ­ø«Y¦]¬°Ê\¦aÉN咗­Óºô¦W, ¦Ó«Y¦]¬°¸g¹L咗Ëݪø®É¶¡ûH´Á«Ý, ÄU§i, ¤Ï§Ü, «ü³d, "³æ¥´"¤§«á, §A³Ì²×¹ý©³¨«¦V·¥ºÝ, ±N©Ò¦³³d¥ô±À±o¤@°®¤G²b¦Óµh¤ß.

I think you didn't know the ultimate reason why I ban many of them.   Read read the previous posts la.  

§ÚçܧA·Q¤H©ú¥Õ§A¤§«e, ³Â·Ð¥ý«ÈÆ[¦aÅ¥¨ú¤Ï¹ïûHÁn­µ.

¹Dºp­ø«YÃø¨Æ, §Ú²Ä¤@­Ó¦P§AÁ¿Án"sorry"(Ãö©ó§Ú±¹ÃãûH¦y»Ä¨èÁ¡), ¦ý§Ú¨ÌµM»{¬°§A¤@ª½³£«Y°µ¿ù咗, ¦Ó§A¥ç¤í©O¤@¯Z´¿¸g¥Î¤ß¥Î¤OÀ°¹L§AûHºô¤Í¤@­Ó¸ÑÄÀ¦P¹Dºp.

­nµf¥ÍûH´N¥þ³¡¤@»ô, ¤@­Ó³£¤£¯à¤Ö!!

but if you're on the side of loksiu/crazybb, I will surely ban you at once.   Dare to tell me?

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