Unfortunately, I do not find your responses convincing in addressing the rationale behind banning the 20+ members, and can only agree that you and I continue to differ in our views on how the administrator should attend to members' concerns and views, and the issues surrounding this forum's management style or how it has deteriorated since the move from the old forum to here.
I will stop discussing the latter issue since I don't see how we can make any progress with the huge difference in opinion between us. However, I would ask you to please provide the concrete evidence on the "crime" committed by the 20 odd members who got banned.
1. You said: "questioning someone sin is very impolite... especially someone didn't have a sin. And you didn't have concrete evidence. If someone question about you to ask if you have committed that sin but without evidence publicly, you're very embarrassed.... Try it out for your friends, you won't even do it."
You banned the 20 odd members as you held the opinion that "That thread is like "how to create a bomb" to bomb this forum... I will [won't?] forget it forever... Will you make publish a article on how to create a bomb in the Internet? That is obviously illegal and devastating...Everyone involved in that thread are highly suspected to bomb our forum or make us die..."
If suspicion was the only reason for banning the majority of these members, which you said, then why would you persistently demand members to provide concrete evidence before passing a judgment? Am I missing any concrete evidence that you had already provided? We can't apply double standard. If indeed concrete evidence is needed before any accusation. speculation or opinion is expressed, why would it not also hold true for banning members? And would your execution act not create the same kind of embarrassment (see red text above) to these people?
I would therefore request that you provide concrete evidence that the likes of Brasco, 京子, Big Rock, Oldgun, 芝華士女朋友Kay, 屈臣氏,帶子洪郎, apeapeape, goldenbaby, tyco, deepblue2002, lu, messenger, 6769, peter123, gtc, etc. are actively involved in the conspiracy to bring down Timway or make it "BIG" as you described. Particularly in the case of deepblue2002, who merely put up one post which was a single smilie symbol after the banning.
2. You keep saying that many banned members have been unbanned. Please provide concrete evidence that this is the case as I haven't seen any or many of the above getting unbanned.
3. In your original posting to provide the reason for banning, you indicated that: "單打, 即ban. Instead: concrete suggestions pls. With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions. And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for long... I've been silent for a long time... many many users support me banning them but I intend to wait to see if they can give us any good suggestions... instead, they just keep 單打 and 單打... this is not a healthy atmosphere..." Note that this rule was published after the banning had occurred.
But in subsequent exchanges, you turned the reason to the fact that they were (or suspected to be) on the side of crazybb and/or loksiu. You knew that ".....some good persons are accidentally killed, but I have resumed their accounts, and make them alive again, on the name of God, sorry, not God , on the name of xocat." But you kept demanding that those who were not on the side of crazybb or loksiu to please pm you to request for unbanning. This is inconsistent with what you said about you have unbanned many "good persons". Are the ones who do not pm you to request are not "good persons"?
You spoke of law, I admire your knowledge. I know little of law but I do know that under the laws of HK, and in fact many other places, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's not incumbent upon a person to prove innocent; it's incumbent upon the prosecutor to prove the accused is guilty beyond doubts. Where is the proof that anyone or all of them is or are involved in that "bring down Timway" plot, if there were indeed such a plot? You inferred your assessment of loksiu's plot to bring down Timway based upon what's written in his profile, but where is you inference for the others?
If you do not have concrete evidence that the above-mentioned banned members were actively involved with the "plot", please in the name of xocat (God) unban them for the very reason that you said you have unbanned the "good persons" without having them to send any pm.
This is not a place for kissing up, and no one will kiss up for the sake of reclaiming their own respectful identity and integrity which they never lost or did damage to in the first place.
Resuming account: I repeat, is my strong motivation... they are the assets of this forum... so, pls talk to me... I'm your friend, talking to your friend to help solve misunderstanding is the best way... not hiding from me... Misunderstanding is very easy to happen in this world especially in HK, education system doesn't teach us very well how to present how ideas clearly... I regret about it... so, a lot of unquality posts of very short sentences result, this is the thing I really want to improve in this forum... if you can just shout out some short sentences, that's not good......so misunderstanding happens all the time. Let me ask you, if your friend and you have some misunderstanding, will you just hide and don't talk... I won't hide... I will surely talk... but because I have to deal with 10s of users, pls give me a little hand, talk to me and let me know for your thinking... I will surely listen. especially you're not on loksiu side. 原帖由 白貓兒 於 2007-8-19 21:57 發表
Well, xocat finally makes categorical apologies. which I appreciate.
I wonder why xocat could not have taken the initiative of sending PMs to banned members other than loksiu/crazybb soon after ...
And somehow, it hurts xocat. 原帖由 xocatII 於 2007-8-19 22:34 發表
for promoting other forum, I see it is hard to implement or very hard in technical term to implement. But it becomes a culture/norm for most big forum, so I implement it. This is a rule that you don't have to question... thanks. (just because this is a rule)
)for promoting other forum, I see it is hard to implement or very hard in technical term to implement. But it becomes a culture/norm for most big forum, so I implement it. This is a rule that you don't have to question... thanks. (just because this is a rule) And somehow, it hurts xocat.
原帖由 superfans 於 2007-8-20 13:00 發表
今次事件看出不同人的心態 , 醜陋面孔為數最多 , 不多談以免被說煽火 ,我覺得版主處理得正確 , 亦直接令到這個討論區 , 不再成為權力爭奪或是結黨營私的地方 。如果用恐嚇單打圍攻想控制這個討論區 , 不如像有些靜 ...
原帖由 superfans 於 2007-8-20 14:46 發表
別人可以不認同 , 但這事實是否沒有出現過呢 , 這次事件亦發現另一個重點 , 從前曾經出來攪事的 , 也因為正常戶口被禁止迫得用上後備戶口 , 事情就這樣曝光了。
原帖由 車欠石更 於 2007-8-20 14:56 發表
這樣的重點也被閣下發現了，閣下可真是太了不起了！本人認為此事告一段落後，大版主應對閣下好好打賞並委以重任！閣下前途可真無可限量了！
但本人想問："正常戶口被禁止迫得用上後備戶口"..... ...
原帖由 superfans 於 2007-8-20 14:46 發表
別人可以不認同 , 但這事實是否沒有出現過呢 , 這次事件亦發現另一個重點 , 從前曾經出來攪事的 , 也因為正常戶口被禁止迫得用上後備戶口 , 事情就這樣曝光了。
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