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作者: CPKTVman    時間: 2008-3-6 11:45     標題: Some women in China are so naive and vulnerable

Background: 6 months ago I met a model agent in Shenzhen through QQ.  She used to be a model herself (176 cm) but she became a model agent and her work is to arrange other models for fashion shows.  She invited me and my friends to Karaoke with her model friends (about 4 of them - all about 176 cm).  Almost at the end of the night one mainland guy (one of model's friend) came in and introduced himself as stock broker and handing out business cards to the other models and told them how easy to make money in stock market.  Later on he went to pay for the bill (about 2,000) without letting us know, then come back inform everyone in the room it is his treat that night.  All the models are very impressed.  He then gave them a ride home (It is a Honda).  1 guy with 4 models.
Last week: my friend (he went out with one of the models and live together now) told me that this guy cheated all the models money by constantly trading garbage stocks to get the commission and with the A share stock market is doing, there is not much left.  The worst is that this guy "eat" 3 of the models FOC because he was making money for them at that time and they thought he is their hero.  Also found out that this guy only has primary school degree.

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2008-3-7 13:54 編輯 ]
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 11:49

Same story happens everywhere in the world.  In this forum, I'd rather know more about your sex experience with your QQ nui and models!!
作者: FXO    時間: 2008-3-6 12:01

咁你有無食到的毛洞呢? 係唔係酦葡萄呢?
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 12:23

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原帖由 CPKTVman 於 2008-3-6 11:45 發表
Background: 6 months ago I met a model agent in Shenzhen through QQ.  She used to be a model herself (176 cm) but she became a model agent and her work is to arrange other models for fashion shows. ...
Moderator's point of view:
You may caption it as "Some Chinese women are so naive and vulnerable", or "Story of four naive and vulnerable Chinese ladies"...but never "Women in China are so naive and vulnerable". Your caption means "all Chinese women are naive and vulnerable!!!  
你这标题有侮辱所有中国女性之嫌！请马上把标题改掉，谢谢！

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2008-3-6 21:20 編輯 ]
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 12:37

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 12:23 發表


Moderator's point of view:
You may caption it as "Some Chinese women are so naive and vulnerable", or "Story of four naive and vulnerable Chinese ladies"...but never " ...
雖然版主批評得好激。。但我都同意。。。
事關大陸真係好多聰明女人。。。我都遇唔少。。尤其是上海女人。。。
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 12:41

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 12:37 發表


雖然版主批評得好激。。但我都同意。。。
事關大陸真係好多聰明女人。。。我都遇唔少。。尤其是上海女人。。。
我并不激,只是这标题有"一竹干打一船人"之含意,不想有女性误会了楼主而已
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 12:46

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 12:41 發表
我并不激,只是这标题有"一竹干打一船人"之含意,不想有女性误会了楼主而已
同意其哥的睇法! 正如我的回應中的第一句所講, 呢啲故事全世界都有發生, 所以唔係好應該一竹竿打一船人! 再者, 男人都可能同樣咁樣比人呃, 警訊都有講啦!!
作者: hongkonger    時間: 2008-3-6 12:52

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 12:23 發表

Moderator's point of view:
You may caption it as "Some Chinese women are so naive and vulnerable", or "Story of four naive and vulnerable Chinese ladies"...but never " ...
我支持用 "Some Chinese women are so naive and vulnerable" , 會比較中立

但版主大佬, 跟據大字典,  

naive
/nieev/ (also naïve)
— ORIGIN French, from Latin nativus ‘native, natural’.
--> naive

vulnerable
— ORIGIN Latin vulnerabilis, from vulnerare ‘to wound’.
--> vulnerable

標題的正解意義應該係 "中國的女人係輕信和弱勢"
又好似無侮辱性啊

[ 本帖最後由 hongkonger 於 2008-3-6 12:58 編輯 ]
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 12:58

阿香港仔兄, 個問題係"Chinese Women"係一個collective noun, 泛指全世界中國族裔的女性呀! "Women in China"先係中國的女人!! 因發生喺中國其中三個女性的故事, 而引伸至全世界中國族裔的女性的評語, 未免有些不恰當吧!!

Naive: 可中譯為天真, 亦可譯為無知
Vulnerable: 可中譯為容易受傷害的, 亦可譯為脆弱的

[ 本帖最後由 def_lo 於 2008-3-6 13:03 編輯 ]
作者: hongkonger    時間: 2008-3-6 13:09

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原帖由 def_lo 於 2008-3-6 12:58 發表
阿香港仔兄, 個問題係"Chinese Women"係一個collective noun, 泛指全世界中國族裔的女性呀! "Women in China"先係中國的女人!! 因發生喺中國其中三個女性的故事, 而引伸至全世界中國族 ...
人地題目係 "Women in China", 唔係 "Chinese Women" 哦
中國有幾億女人, 都佔中國族裔的女性絕大份量, 所以都好唔好o家啦
只係, 呢位兄弟可能吃唔到囡囡 (仲要係四件 model !!!), 所以要平衡一下

我地呢到係   Guide 夜遊風月 » Mainland China 國內救國及澳門風月版
呢個場成日有人話邊條邊條女好屌, 又波又西, 又出有樣相, 都好有品o家啦
所以多一個字眼上有小小主觀性的post, 我又唔會震驚
不過, 我又唔係版主

我係個普通雞蟲, 唔識咁多野o家, 講錯莫怪責


PS. CPKTVman 兄, 我識抄股, 不如你轉介我見你班QQ女, 我唔收錢, 但係...
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 13:19     標題: 回復 #10 hongkonger 的帖子

食唔到都唔洗甘嫁。。。。
要食Model。。去大x間DH。。1500..2500任食啦。。。件件170以上。。。有D仲似林x玲,應x兒添。。。
有錢咪去食平衡下囉。。。唔洗係度中傷其他中國女姓喔。
作者: hongkonger    時間: 2008-3-6 13:23

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 13:19 發表
食唔到都唔洗甘嫁。。。。
要食Model。。去大x間DH。。1500..2500任食啦。。。件件170以上。。。有D仲似林x玲,應x兒添。。。
有錢咪去食平衡下囉。。。唔洗係度中傷其他中國女姓喔。
好多男人去食囡, 都好狼死
都好侮辱女性o家
邊有 simon 哥咁溫柔啦
作者: denny2000    時間: 2008-3-6 13:25

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 13:19 發表
食唔到都唔洗甘嫁。。。。
要食Model。。去大x間DH。。1500..2500任食啦。。。件件170以上。。。有D仲似林x玲,應x兒添。。。
有錢咪去食平衡下囉。。。唔洗係度中傷其他中國女姓喔。
Simon gor,

大x間DH:  Is it Dai Long?   DH: Is it a K. or SNA?  I am interested!!

I have been to Dai Long Tin Wxx SNA (report submitted) while the model grade at 600 is good, but they are not as beautiful as 林x玲,應x兒... (50%)
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 13:26

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原帖由 hongkonger 於 2008-3-6 13:23 發表


好多男人去食囡, 都好狼死
都好侮辱女性o家
邊有 simon 哥咁溫柔啦
一句題外話：我唔溫柔嫁，同過我去玩的人都知，去到場D囡囡大多數唔肯同我出街。。。
作者: hongkonger    時間: 2008-3-6 13:36

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 13:26 發表
一句題外話：我唔溫柔嫁，同過我去玩的人都知，去到場D囡囡大多數唔肯同我出街。。。
會唔會係兄台太大支呀?
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 13:50

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原帖由 denny2000 於 2008-3-6 13:25 發表


Simon gor,

大x間DH:  Is it Dai Long?   DH: Is it a K. or SNA?  I am interested!!

I have been to Dai Long Tin Wxx SNA (report submitted) while the model grade at 600 is good, but they are ...
C兄。。第一part你估中左。。之唔係大x鎮。。。
DH。。係K..
1500...2500...係果度D..Model 出街價。。。1Q..and ..ON...respectively....
作者: denny2000    時間: 2008-3-6 14:04

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 13:50 發表

C兄。。第一part你估中左。。之唔係大x鎮。。。
DH。。係K..
1500...2500...係果度D..Model 出街價。。。1Q..and ..ON...respectively....
DH: Oh, i guess it is "emperor"...  

However, 1,500/2,500 is more expensive than that in Shanghai or K. in Panyu (3/5,10,15).  Need to save some $$ before going.  Besides, I think for this type of K, the girls are very defensive inside K.  and are not service-oriented up in the hotel room.  The $ is more for the appearance and figures..
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 14:47

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原帖由 hongkonger 於 2008-3-6 13:09 發表
人地題目係 "Women in China", 唔係 "Chinese Women" 哦
中國有幾億女人, 都佔中國族裔的女性絕大份量, 所以都好唔好o家啦
只係, 呢位兄弟可能吃唔到囡囡 (仲要係四件 model !!!), 所以 ...
臨食飯眼大睇過龍! 大家喺度都係吹吓水, 尋吓開心, 表達吓個人觀感. 不過帶有負面什至侮辱性字眼來表達個人意見, 我個人認為可以唔洗去到咁盡!

打過比喻, 呢度個個都去尋開心, 有啲會好似師兄你同細佬我咁自認雞蟲, 但斷估都唔會有人敢話"香港/中國嘅男人都係雞蟲"!

我地由細到大都深受佢影響嘅希臘阿里士多德邏輯思維應該係咁:-

由於所有男人都係雞蟲, 所以香港的男人一定係雞蟲!

但並唔會係:-

由於有三個喺中國南方嘅女士無知及脆弱, 所以全中國的女人都係無知及脆弱!

我地受咗女人咁多恩惠, 係時候企出來幫吓佢地!!
作者: CPKTVman    時間: 2008-3-6 15:10

Interesting to get so many resonances on merely a caption.  But if one reads the content carefully then it will not be taken out of context and will recognise it has a benign intent.

As some of you already pointed out 要食Model。。去大x間DH。。1500..2500任食啦...so there is no need to 平衡一下.  It is sad to see these working girls got taken advantage of just because they are trusting, naive and to become vulnerable to insidious perpetrators.

Moderator, please go ahead if you want to 删除这文帖, thanks
作者: Avater    時間: 2008-3-6 15:34

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作者: 7-siu    時間: 2008-3-6 15:51

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 13:26 發表


一句題外話：我唔溫柔嫁，同過我去玩的人都知，去到場D囡囡大多數唔肯同我出街。。。
They don't go with you just because of your "Big Root" !!
作者: hongkonger    時間: 2008-3-6 16:15

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原帖由 CPKTVman 於 2008-3-6 15:10 發表
Interesting to get so many resonances on merely a caption.  But if one reads the content carefully then it will not be taken out of context and will recognise it has a benign intent.

As some of  ...
其實你個故事我好喜歡
我打算開個新 a/c 幫大陸QQ model
作者: cnsnakehead    時間: 2008-3-6 16:52

agree with this C Hing.
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原帖由 def_lo 於 2008-3-6 11:49 發表
Same story happens everywhere in the world.  In this forum, I'd rather know more about your sex experience with your QQ nui and models!!
作者: CPKTVman    時間: 2008-3-6 17:11     標題: 回復 #23 cnsnakehead 的帖子

The only sex experience I have with a model is in HK not in mainland even though she is from mainland originally.  Long story short, I met her on the bus in HK.  We took the same bus every morning to work, so I picked her up.  She didn't tell me she was married at the time but she told me later she married a HK guy years ago and he treated her badly.  And we had an affair for 6 months until her husband...
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 17:20

........!!?? discovered the affair by her husband!!?? what happened afterwards??
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 17:29

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原帖由 denny2000 於 2008-3-6 14:04 發表


DH: Oh, i guess it is "emperor"...  

However, 1,500/2,500 is more expensive than that in Shanghai or K. in Panyu (3/5,10,15).  Need to save some $$ before going.  Besides, I think  ...
我都初都覺得係貴，但係酒水比上海，北京平得多喎。。。。而且北京，上海稍為好一D。。K。。雜費太多。。。
又要俾DJ,媽咪甚至連待應都俾埋小費。。。。。

況且你可以係果度揀D...3-8-10嘛。。。。。。
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 17:36

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原帖由 7-siu 於 2008-3-6 15:51 發表



They don't go with you just because of your "Big Root" !!
如果真係甘。。你下次彈條囡黎俾我出街。。。
等佢去完番黎話俾你聽係咪真囉。。
作者: 7-siu    時間: 2008-3-6 18:28

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原帖由 simonkok 於 2008-3-6 17:36 發表


如果真係甘。。你下次彈條囡黎俾我出街。。。
等佢去完番黎話俾你聽係咪真囉。。
噤，我不是好著數？在場內我玩完不用給小費，你帶出街！你第二朝才給錢！
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-6 18:34

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原帖由 7-siu 於 2008-3-6 18:28 發表



噤，我不是好著數？在場內我玩完不用給小費，你帶出街！你第二朝才給錢！
無計。。鬼叫D囡淨係冧你。。。見到我好似見鬼甘。。
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 18:41

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原帖由 CPKTVman 於 2008-3-6 15:10 發表
Interesting to get so many resonances on merely a caption.  But if one reads the content carefully then it will not be taken out of context and will recognise it has a benign intent.

As some of  ...
我没有说你这文帖的内容有问题,问题是你这标题而已!
请你把标题改动一下好吗?假如改不了,可通知我,我帮你修改
作者: def_lo    時間: 2008-3-6 18:45

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原帖由 Avater 於 2008-3-6 15:34 發表
... but so funny to see c hing capture dictionary's quot for it...
咁證明呢個forum藏龍伏虎, 多啲上來, 唔止可以學到救國知識, 仲可以學到英文, 中文, and邏輯呀!!!!  
作者: sl886    時間: 2008-3-6 19:18

When you think mainland women are naive and vulnerable, probably you youself are the most naive one.  There are so many smart women in the mainland.  See, so many sinking boat stories are the proofs.
Your story only indicates that there are some mainland women who are naive, but not all of them.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2008-3-6 19:50

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 12:23 發表
Moderator's point of view: " ...
Agreed! There are many smart women in this world!
作者: Oldman    時間: 2008-3-6 20:21

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 12:41 發表


我并不激,只是这标题有"一竹干打一船人"之含意,不想有女性误会了楼主而已
but your tone of speech seems to be not so friendly.

a milder tone seems to be more apprpriate !
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 21:24

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原帖由 Oldman 於 2008-3-6 20:21 發表


but your tone of speech seems to be not so friendly.

a milder tone seems to be more apprpriate !
Thanks for your opinion! I've just rewritten the words in the reminder.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2008-3-6 21:40

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原帖由 Oldman 於 2008-3-6 20:21 發表
but your tone of speech seems to be not so friendly.
a milder tone seems to be more apprpriate !
Mr. Moderator is a bit "harsh" sometimes.
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 21:45

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2008-3-6 21:40 發表

Mr. Moderator is a bit "harsh" sometimes.
Perhaps I am a little bit harsh sometimes, but the point is I won't use different criteria again different people. Anyway, I will take caution to my manner. Thank you!
作者: peninsula    時間: 2008-3-6 21:46

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 21:45 發表
Perhaps I am a little bit harsh sometimes, but the point is I won't use different criteria again different people. Anyway, I will take caution to my manner. Thank you!
It is a praise for you to take tough and consistent stand against ALL!
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-6 21:52

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2008-3-6 21:46 發表

It is a praise for you to take tough and consistent stand against ALL!
My ruler won't vary from people to people! Be trust it!
作者: CPKTVman    時間: 2008-3-7 09:37

I don't want to change this discussion forum into an academic one so I am not going to discuss further on the English usage of the word "Women" when I said it was taken out of context.  Moderator, please change the caption for me. Thanks.
作者: john_1    時間: 2008-3-7 10:04

I would use "Some women are so naive and vulnerable" or  "Some people are so naive and vulnerable"
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-7 12:51

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原帖由 CPKTVman 於 2008-3-7 09:37 發表
I don't want to change this discussion forum into an academic one so I am not going to discuss further on the English usage of the word "Women" when I said it was taken out of context.  M ...
I see. I will change it for you. Please tell me if you don't like the new caption, I will further amend it according to your opinion.

[ 本帖最後由 求其 於 2008-3-7 13:03 編輯 ]
作者: lomo    時間: 2008-3-7 18:34

After reading all the different posts and stories on this and other forums, we should probably start another thread:

"Most HK male rescuers have been naive and vulnerable at least once"

I hope this one will be true and politically correct.
作者: 求其    時間: 2008-3-7 19:10

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原帖由 lomo 於 2008-3-7 18:34 發表
After reading all the different posts and stories on this and other forums, we should probably start another thread:

"Most HK male rescuers have been naive and vulnerable at least once" ...
All but the most people may be naive and vulnerable some moment. Girls are said to be much naive when dealing with 正经事 like politics, and men are said to be  much naive sometimes when dealing with emotion. That's why the casualty in "sinking disaster" for men is relatively higher than that for women.
作者: Oldman    時間: 2008-3-7 20:15

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-6 21:24 發表


Thanks for your opinion! I've just rewritten the words in the reminder.
thank you for your quick action !
作者: peninsula    時間: 2008-3-7 20:54

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原帖由 求其 於 2008-3-7 19:10 發表
All but the most people may be naive and vulnerable some moment. Girls are ...
Are we having free English lessons?
作者: parleur    時間: 2008-3-9 16:44

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原帖由 denny2000 於 2008-3-6 14:04 發表


DH: Oh, i guess it is "emperor"...  

However, 1,500/2,500 is more expensive than that in Shanghai or K. in Panyu (3/5,10,15).  Need to save some $$ before going.  Besides, I think  ...
I can't get it. DH = emperor? Please state clearly or give some hint. Many thanks.
作者: Samhing    時間: 2008-3-9 20:58

i am indifferent the title caption.

just to share my thought: many times the smartest guys/gals do the dumbest things!
every people have their pt of weakness; the smartest one usually have little weakness than others, but would fall to trap that looks incredibly naive to others' eyes.
those models in that example might be very smart in dealing with men in other situation, just fall to this 'fast money' trap due to their own pride induced blindness.
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-10 00:30

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原帖由 parleur 於 2008-3-9 16:44 發表

I can't get it. DH = emperor? Please state clearly or give some hint. Many thanks.
The one that you guest is correct. Have you ever been there before? BTW, if you want to discuss more regarding on this place, I suggest that we can get a separate one for it.
作者: simonkok    時間: 2008-3-10 01:34

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原帖由 parleur 於 2008-3-9 16:44 發表

I can't get it. DH = emperor? Please state clearly or give some hint. Many thanks.
The one that you guest is correct. Have you ever been there before? BTW, if you want to discuss more regarding on this place, I suggest that we can get a separate one for it.
作者: doubleOO    時間: 2008-3-10 07:13

I do agree with the Moderator on the use of wrong word and it needs to be corrected. I think the member who start the thread did not really mean to insult Chines woman but the wording is too generalize and it should not be used.
In north America, if someone using the same tone of writing in blog or forum, they will be recalled or be attacked by others, especially the heading of the thread.
作者: palisades    時間: 2008-3-10 11:56

樓主從善如流，值得一讚，不用咬文嚼字，原標題有集體概述，令人誤解



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