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作者: kcpw0n 時間: 2008-10-25 17:04 標題: 逾百教師集會爭按年資調薪,哈!!!真係short左呀

逾百教師集會爭按年資調薪

(明報)10月25日星期六 16:15
大約一百名中小學教師，下午在中環遮打花園集會，爭取以年資釐定薪酬。
集會由教協發起，教師抗議政府去年調整教師薪級點，但計算方法漠視教師年資，令新入職的老師的薪酬與有多年經驗的教師相同，甚至更高。

呢d 係老師定係老鼠,抑或投機損手short左呀!!!!
各行各業都心存共渡時艱,
為左佢地d 劣質貨校席巳經縮班教學
減少殺校,
重要上床牽被,
簡直係過街老鼠

作者: 至尊豪庭9 時間: 2008-10-25 17:52

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作者: peninsula 時間: 2008-10-26 15:56

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原帖由 至尊豪庭9 於 2008-10-25 17:52 發表
強烈支持教師!!

Sack them all!

作者: CAB 時間: 2008-10-26 16:21

Agreed.

HK education is a complete failure. At my time, those top graduates will work in big firms as trainees, become lawyers, doctors, bankers, accountants etc...only those with the poorest academic report & could not find a job became teachers. And that's why we find hacken chan's english standard everywhere, teachers m.l. with students...

We should cut class, cut education budget. Taxpayer's money are not well spent.

作者: 至尊豪庭9 時間: 2008-10-26 18:39

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作者: peninsula 時間: 2008-10-27 21:19

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原帖由 至尊豪庭9 於 2008-10-26 18:39 發表
誰有此能耐,憑你們?

No jobs for a lot of people soon!

作者: public59 時間: 2008-10-27 23:30

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原帖由 CAB 於 2008-10-26 16:21 發表
Agreed.

HK education is a complete failure. At my time, those top graduates will work in big firms as trainees, become lawyers, doctors, bankers, accountants etc...only those with the poorest acade ...

Agreed that the education system of HK is totally failure, and it is the main sources of the problem - poor quality of our education
As most of the elites have already been working for the commercial and govt sectors, not being as a teacher.

作者: mark+gor 時間: 2008-10-27 23:49

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原帖由 public59 於 2008-10-27 23:30 發表

Agreed that the education system of HK is totally failure, and it is the main sources of the problem - poor quality of our education
As most of the elites have already been working for the commer ...

個d所謂SGM,做又4雞幾,唔做又4雞幾，考績制度欠奉。咁既制度，香港教育點會有進步？
其實成個pay system 應該要revise, 人工應該要和performance 掛鈎，與seniority 不是必然有關。不過呢樣野根本無可能

作者: 理魯竇 時間: 2008-10-28 00:00

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原帖由 mark+gor 於 2008-10-27 23:49 發表

個d所謂SGM,做又4雞幾,唔做又4雞幾，考績制度欠奉。咁既制度，香港教育點會有進步？
其實成個pay system 應該要revise, 人工應該要和performance 掛鈎，與seniority 不是必然有關。不過呢樣野根本無可能

SGM 好似唔只4 雞幾，5 雞幾我都見過。

話時話如果按年資加薪，
咁咪鬥長命，
分分鐘多人工過教授，
唔該用個腦去諗野啦。

作者: 毛球 時間: 2008-10-28 00:21

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原帖由 mark+gor 於 2008-10-27 11:49 PM 發表

個d所謂SGM,做又4雞幾,唔做又4雞幾，考績制度欠奉。咁既制度，香港教育點會有進步？
其實成個pay system 應該要revise, 人工應該要和performance 掛鈎，與seniority 不是必然有關。不過呢樣野根本無可能

做老師最重要係教好學生, 可以以學生表現同成績作為薪酬調整基礎, d老師自然會出儘辦法教好學生. 唔好又話壓力大, 絕大部份行業升職加薪都係睇表現架啦.

作者: public59 時間: 2008-10-28 19:34

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原帖由 mark+gor 於 2008-10-27 23:49 發表

個d所謂SGM,做又4雞幾,唔做又4雞幾，考績制度欠奉。咁既制度，香港教育點會有進步？
其實成個pay system 應該要revise, 人工應該要和performance 掛鈎，與seniority 不是必然有關。不過呢樣野根本無可能

如果人工要和performance 掛鈎, 就會有人說造成奉承文化.
根本pay system 與潮流脫身節

作者: peninsula 時間: 2008-10-28 21:55

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原帖由 public59 於 2008-10-27 23:30 發表
As most of the elites have already been working for the commer ...

So you have second-rate teachers?

作者: CAB 時間: 2008-10-29 04:43

HK birth rate is dropping, population has been stayed at around 7m for long (& that is filled by immigrants from china). Education is already oversupplied. Almost everyone goes to university, & the graduate standard is worse than F.5 student 20 years ago (not to mention those in the 70s, that's HK golden age).

We need quality but not quantity.

On the other hand, there is more elder people. Follow the demographic change, the simple answer to Mr Tsang's worry on increase in elderly subsidy is the govt should cut education expense, & increase in health & elderly etc.

Honestly, I also think the immigrants should not send their kids to HK for education. It's better to be educated in China. It will make their child stronger, & also possesses better language skills than in HK.

Do you find funny about the recent promotion on continued learning in english? So what the hell are these people learnt in 9-year free education?

作者: public59 時間: 2008-10-29 08:57

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2008-10-28 21:55 發表

So you have second-rate teachers?

My answer is yes.
Back to the square one, the root cause is most of the outstanding students have to select studying at prestige universities rather than at teacher education institutes.So we can imagine what's the outcome of the quality of our teachers.

作者: mark+gor 時間: 2008-10-29 10:58

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原帖由 public59 於 2008-10-29 08:57 發表

My answer is yes.
Back to the square one, the root cause is most of the outstanding students have to select studying at prestige universities rather than at teacher education institutes.So we can ...

Partially agree.
However, a person with good academic acheivement doesn't mean that he or she will be a good teacher. Similarly, a person having marginal pass in HKCE and studying in HKIEd doesn't mean he or she does not have the potential to become a good teacher.

Many people focus on the academic side of education only. However, more important, education should be holistic with changing students' attitude and the way of thinking. A good teacher must have passion in his profession. Of course, we also have some incompetent teachers graduated in IEd because of their poor academic standard.

Let's take this example. 一個成績好的人入到大學，first honour graduate, 但係出到黎開醫務所，淨係幫人寫醫生紙。He has excellent academic result, but with poor attitude. He does not contribute to society at all.

作者: mark+gor 時間: 2008-10-29 11:12

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原帖由 CAB 於 2008-10-29 04:43 發表
HK birth rate is dropping, population has been stayed at around 7m for long (& that is filled by immigrants from china). Education is already oversupplied. Almost everyone goes to university, & the gr ...

What did the students do with their English during the 9-year FOC education system?

I think those decision maker in the Education Bureau should know the cause. However, they can do nothing with it as the consequent of doing this is so huge.

Language has long been labelled as a subject that is boring for the student. Students in Hong Kong with poor standard in English because they do not want to learn as it is boring. This starts at P1. If the primary school english teacher cannot use innovative ways to teach this subject, students will not have the interests to learn and subsequently, as the students are promoted to secondary school, their standard of english is still remain at primary school stage. (This can be proved that some secondary school students cannot understand very simple vocabulary, as simple as elephant , aeroplane, willow...)

How to improve the standard of english to HK's student? Revise the syllabus of english of primary schools. Re-training of SOME of the incometent english teacher in primary schools. Encourage creative and active ways of teaching the subject.

But, most of the primary school teachers are 'experienced' teacher. Will they willing to do that?

作者: public59 時間: 2008-10-29 13:13

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原帖由 mark+gor 於 2008-10-29 10:58 發表

Partially agree.
However, a person with good academic acheivement doesn't mean that he or she will be a good teacher. Similarly, a person having marginal pass in HKCE and studying in HKIEd doesn' ...

Also partially agree.

"person with good academic acheivement doesn't mean that he or she will be a good teacher" & "person having marginal pass in HKCE and studying in HKIEd doesn't mean he or she does not have the potential to become a good teacher.

Of course, we cannot rule out this possiblity. But I believe this is not the general case. If we look at the result of the language proficiency assessment for teachers, we will have a question mark on their quality.

作者: peninsula 時間: 2008-10-29 21:26

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原帖由 public59 於 2008-10-29 08:57 發表
My answer is yes.
Back to the square one, the root cause is most of the outstanding students have to select studying at prestige universities rather than at teacher education institutes.So we can ...

So sad for HK's future.

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