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作者: 長谷川天 時間: 2006-8-31 09:31 標題: IT 行業的難處

其實 IT 真的不太好做...尤以在一些小公司內當IT人員更加慘...
因為老闆通常都會叫你什麼都要搞, 但係一講到錢就無行...
所以有些IT人因而要冒險安裝非法軟件, 最後海關會追究邊個?
自己想想啦...

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-8-31 20:06

Totally agreed. IT is really a rough and tough job.

For intellectual property, I include the related links below.

http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_mgt/software_mgt_c.htm

http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_law/software_piracy_law_c.htm

http://www.ipd.gov.hk/eng/intellectual_property/study_aids/software_piracy_fact/software_piracy_fact_c.htm

作者: vv 時間: 2006-9-2 14:23 標題: $100和5張郵票,郵遞名單事業賺錢方法

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作者: BEng 時間: 2006-9-3 07:26

我是一個工程佬專門幫電腦機房做基建工程，即空調、電源、消防、漏水檢測等，經常都碰到客人說大老板未批錢，不能接納我們提議的最佳方案，只能隨便做點小修改應付一下。要知很多時都會令到機房裡的安排違反電例及消防例，到出事時也不知誰人該負責，頂罪的會是大老板嗎？

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作者: antivirus 時間: 2006-9-4 02:12

The best time for IT has gone. Better change industry as soon as you can....

作者: kenny01 時間: 2006-9-5 17:53

夕陽行業.............

作者: hello12345678 時間: 2006-9-6 01:47

I'm totally agree with you.

作者: henry9210 時間: 2006-9-7 08:01

完全感同身受啦

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-7 21:20

How difficult? I show an example below to illustrate how difficult it is

, and also this example is related to Bayesian probability for your calculation if you are interested in

.

IT implemented a new system or performed a system modification due to business needs.

There will be 2 scenarios, 1st is implemented the system successfully in view of meeting the user requirements, project timeframe and budget, or another scenario is project failure including not fit to user requirement, overbudget, project delay. We simply put the probability for each scenario as 50%.

And also there will be another 2 scenarios for business using or not using the system, Business performed good and met the target or Business performed poorly due to not meeting the target or even suffering a loss. Again we simply put the probability of each scenario as 50%.

For good system and good business, Business users may have the responses of (1) appreciating IT's work or, (2) ignoring IT's work or, (3) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 33% for simplicity.

For good system and bad business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

For bad system and good business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

For bad system and bad business, Business users may have the responses of (1) ignoring IT's work or, (2) complaining IT. For each response, the probability is 50% for simplicity.

Now the questions are:
What is the probability of IT's work being appreciated

?
What is the probability of IT's work being ignored

?
What is the probability of IT's work being blamed or complained

作者: kenny01 時間: 2006-9-8 11:08

你咁樣寫一段野,我真係好懷疑有冇人會睇完,再回答你

作者: fwu19 時間: 2006-9-8 17:08

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作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-8 17:18

See if the example can be more visible

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作者: 秦皇政 時間: 2006-9-8 22:01 標題: 回復 #11 fwu19 的帖子

用圖易明好多。

想問點樣貼個chart上黎？

作者: 秦皇政 時間: 2006-9-8 22:20 標題: 回復 #5 antivirus 的帖子

真係做個行厭個行，睇左咁多版，個個都話自已入錯行。

作者: iericky 時間: 2006-9-8 23:56

agreed

作者: coolcool2 時間: 2006-9-10 00:48

Like other career, IT need to be specialize too. IT people also need to pick one area too dig into it. I guest the problem is many of us stop study or gain more experience in one particular field.

For example even doctor need to do further study to be a specialist.

作者: rtsang88 時間: 2006-9-10 11:32

I work for the IT dept in HK and then Canada.
I think if you are working in the PC and network area, it's pretty hard to catch up with the new technology.  You need to keep on upgrade your knowledge by taking some IT courses which means $$$.  For big company like HK Jockey Club which I worked before, they had IT courses for you to take.  For small company, I think the owner prefer the less espenses the better.  We cannot use our salary to update our knowledge in order to keep our job, it's a little bit sad.
Right now I am working for a small IT department in Toronto, manage a network with a Win2003 server and a RS6000 machie. Sometimes I am under a lot of pressure because the management do not want to spend money or is not budgeted and the technology is going so fast and our knowledge and hardware did not catch up.
The worst thing is the user who want their problem get fixed right away.  They think we are 萬能.

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-10 17:14

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原帖由 rtsang88 於 2006-9-10 11:32 發表
I work for the IT dept in HK and then Canada.
I think if you are working in the PC and network area, it's pretty hard to catch up with the new technology. You need to keep on upgrade your knowled ...

Technology keeps changing so fast that it is difficult not just for IT guys to catch up, but also for any companies, which invested hardware and software in previous years. For example, the speed of LAN is changed from 100Mb to Gigabit, and for WAN, the technology changed from T1 to Frame Relay and now Metro-Ethernet. If you want to upgrade, then you need to change and re-invest all the network equipment.

The same thing also applies for RS6000, the AIX of RS6000 changed from AIX4.3, to 5.1, to 5.2 and now 5.3 within these 6 years.

Besides I agree with you that users think we are 萬能, my additional opinion is that users think it is '老馮' for IT to do.

作者: kenny01 時間: 2006-9-11 14:17

係人都知,用錢可以解決好多問題

但做得i.t. management,要做既係響有限資源下,做到d野最好

早十年d電腦人響hardward限制下,一定有做
而家又有幾多人會tune-up自己既system0丫

作者: 長谷川天 時間: 2006-9-11 14:46

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原帖由 長谷川天 於 2006-8-31 09:31 AM 發表
其實 IT 真的不太好做...尤以在一些小公司內當IT人員更加慘...
因為老闆通常都會叫你什麼都要搞, 但係一講到錢就無行...
所以有些IT人因而要冒險安裝非法軟件, 最後海關會追究邊個?
自己想想啦...

其實係香港it dept 已變為公司的機電工程處...

公司跳fuse, fax機/影印機 jam 紙或者光管壞左...
可能都要it 去整...尤以細公司為甚!!!

作者: rtsang88 時間: 2006-9-12 08:41

越講越谷氣

作者: Yamakasi 時間: 2006-9-13 15:03

唔單單谷氣 ~!

好多時,有個電字都會關你事...

作者: yip_ken 時間: 2006-9-14 17:27

what can we do to change those 難處

作者: rtsang88 時間: 2006-9-15 03:18

if the user is a pretty girl, I usually go to see her right away, 眼睛吃豆腐
for most cases, try to teach them on the phone
but sometimes, the pretty girl is the stupid one of all.

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-16 12:17

I always have a dream that there are pretty girls as my users in a lengthy process of user requirement collection and UAT. But the reality is always cruel.

作者: dbjstar 時間: 2006-9-16 16:31

my supervisor said
IT = 24/7
IT = you need to know all knowledge

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-16 17:44

Basically it is the reality.

For IT support, we usually need to support systems in 7x24 basis, particularly if the systems are running 24 hours per day, 7 day per week. Even we are not really working 7x24, we are still in standby mode.

For application system projects, we need to understand the needs from business users and develop or modify a system to support business users. That means simply IT knowledge is not adequate, but Business knowledge is also essential.

作者: bbb888 時間: 2006-9-17 15:00

哎。。。。身有同感

作者: VINCENTT 時間: 2006-9-18 09:35 標題: 回復 #27 有性格的帖子

Agree ! Right, not only IT knowledge but also Business knowledge, that's why there are plenty of Master Degree, Doctorial degree in business for IT guy, and also, plenty of Auditing (e.g. CISA, CISSP), Project management certify course (e.g. PMP) , along with technical certification such as MCSE, CCIA, CCIE and CLP to take our money from our pocket under the decreasing trend of IT industries.

That's is too pathetic !

作者: kelvinkcpang 時間: 2006-9-18 21:32 標題: 我都唔覺得難

我都唔覺得難

作者: hklunoe 時間: 2006-9-24 14:55

完全同意...!

作者: DragonBall 時間: 2006-9-24 16:58

Well, IT = No matter you success 10 project. If 1 failed, you are fired.

作者: kenny01 時間: 2006-9-25 12:19

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原帖由 DragonBall 於 2006-9-24 04:58 PM 發表
Well, IT = No matter you success 10 project. If 1 failed, you are fired.

乜其他行業唔係咁架嘛...唔好乜都賴it好d喎

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-9-25 12:33

I think this phenomenon applies for not just IT, but also other industries since people are prone to remember the bad things no matter how many good things were done before.

作者: forumuser 時間: 2006-10-3 14:08

sunset industry

作者: peninsula 時間: 2006-10-10 20:19

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原帖由 forumuser 於 2006-10-3 02:08 PM 發表
sunset industry

SUNRISE!

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-10-14 15:45

太陽出來了, 好似雪人溶化了!!

作者: alwkw 時間: 2006-10-15 08:58

還有，差不多｛通電｝或有｛有旋轉部份｝的東西都關 IT 事

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原帖由 VINCENTT 於 2006-9-18 09:35 AM 發表
Agree ! Right, not only IT knowledge but also Business knowledge, that's why there are plenty of Master Degree, Doctorial degree in business for IT guy, and also, plenty of Auditing (e.g. CISA, CIS ...

作者: peninsula 時間: 2006-10-16 12:05

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原帖由 有性格 於 2006-10-14 03:45 PM 發表
太陽出來了, 好似雪人溶化了!!

Sunrise if you work for large web-related companies such as Yahoo, EBay, Amazon, Microsoft and Google. Most of their employees are millionnaires!

作者: lzigong 時間: 2006-10-16 16:57 標題: 同道中人

大家都是一样的呀

作者: DingDong 時間: 2006-10-16 20:07

On the technical side it is not difficult to handle;
But the hard thing is to handle some "bad-temper" users who don't appreciate IT works.

Also negotiate with users during application developing is not an easy job.

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-10-16 21:22

Also sunrise since Information Technology becomes essentials of any business and even our lives today.

Working in IT field, we are suffering fierce competitions since there are over million IT guys in the market. There must be someone who can substitute us.

we are also suffering tons of pressure from technological advancement in the market which push us to learn more in order to maintain our competitiveness.

we are also confronting hard and rough times with users and Management who always demand and question but never appreciate.

But throughout this journey of IT, you would be trained up as a tough guy with tons of knowledge and skills in different aspects including technical and business knowledge, interpersonal skills.

Therefore, sunrise if we don't lose our confidence and do continue to improve ourselves.

作者: hkc833 時間: 2006-10-17 01:58

Agreed.

作者: aloharicnsa 時間: 2006-10-19 06:13

You need to look at IT in a different prospective.

IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the world!

If it is that important, why your boss didn’t want to pay for that hardware upgrade? Or upgrade from the low end MS Mail to Exchange? Or any "mission critical" thing that you request before? Boss would say blah, blah, blah, we will do it in next FY la…

When you-know-what-hit-the-fan, it is always IT fault. IT should have done this/that, IT should have thought about that…. When things are going well – no one is going to come by IT department and say “thank you” to us.

IT is bad and a un-appreciate job.

Key to success – what can we do to turn this around and make it a positive thing?

There is a way brother, there is a way – you just need to find one that work for your company.

I have been doing this for over 15 years… been there, done that (currently in Silicon Valley – HQ of all IT).

作者: peninsula 時間: 2006-10-20 21:50

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原帖由 aloharicnsa 於 2006-10-19 06:13 AM 發表
IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the wor ...

AGREED. There are many CTOs doing very well - thank you! It is not just about hardware and maintenance. There is a whole lot more to IT including how to use technology to re-engineer the company etc.!

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-10-21 13:15

IT had become an essential part of any business – just think that if the email server is down for 5 minutes, it would be the end of the world!

==> Agree!

, but not just email, but also internet access

IT is bad and a un-appreciate job.

==>IT is a job good for training of our EQ

作者: blueshark 時間: 2006-10-22 09:10

發覺大家好多怨氣，其實IT行業都有樂趣有苦趣的。

1。IT行業接觸最多最新科技，變化最多最快，絕對不會感覺到沒有變化，但痛苦的是變化太快。
2。IT行業經常用腦，保持頭腦靈活，除了人精，排第二位聰明的應該是IT人，但用腦用到盡
3。IT行業其實是個服務性質的行業，工具改變效率，改變規則，但工具還是工具，工具不應該是産業的指導者，IT就是這樣一個狀况。認識到這點后，客戶的很多想法都可以理解。
4。一分錢一分貨，IT尤其如此，灰色地帶各個行業都有，不要踩太多就好，客戶自食其果多得是，何必計較？出不起錢的客戶，最多是朋友，但絕對不是好客戶。
5。7×24絕對是傷害，年輕還好，年紀一大，好痛苦。

作者: rcha7 時間: 2006-11-1 19:38

I just wonder if this only happens to IT.
I've been working in IT industry for nearly 15 yrs, and wish to do something else.
And the problem is, i am still searching .... simply can't find anything better (regardless the future)

Anyone one got success story to completely transform from IT guy to something else ?

作者: rcha7 時間: 2006-11-1 21:45

I just wonder if this only happens to IT.
I've been working in IT industry for nearly 15 yrs, and wish to do something else.
And the problem is, i am still searching .... simply can't find anything better (regardless the future)

Anyone one got success story to completely transform from IT guy to something else ?

作者: 有性格 時間: 2006-11-2 20:07

Not really aware, but of coz I do not dare to say not possible.
If working in software development, then the possible path can be from system analyst to business analyst and then other positions, since business knowledge can be earned during user requirement collection process.
If working in hardware and network side, then it may not be easy to change to other businesses.
Another possible path can be to establish our own business in order to get rid of IT.

作者: laken 時間: 2006-11-6 01:02 標題: Sunrise Sunset

I think IT in Telecom is really sunset.

作者: 859588 時間: 2006-11-19 15:39

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作者: kenny01 時間: 2006-11-20 18:25

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原帖由 rcha7 於 2006-11-1 09:45 PM 發表
I just wonder if this only happens to IT.
I've been working in IT industry for nearly 15 yrs, and wish to do something else.
And the problem is, i am still searching .... simply can't find anythi ...

咁你有冇會計師牌???
律師牌呢???

作者: rcha7 時間: 2006-11-21 01:42

I thought about that... but sorry no.
The sad part of IT job is that it occupies 110% of your time, customer call u on 24x7 basis and also u need to do quite a number professional exam every year just to maintain your certifications (no matter it's CCIE/MCSE/SCE...)

I've got a MBA and MSc though, but again they mean nothing at all to potential employer. They are more interests about your roles in your existing company, your yearly target and your yearly budget/P&L. (BTW, the one who benefit from MBA may be the MBA School who get paid a serious amount of $ and 2nd perhaps it looks better on my CV) It definitely doesn't help me at all in searching for new job outside IT.

作者: rcha7 時間: 2006-11-21 01:44

I thought about that... but sorry no.
The sad part of IT job is that it occupies 110% of your time, customer call u on 24x7 basis and also u need to do quite a number professional exam every year just to maintain your certifications (no matter it's CCIE/MCSE/SCE...)

I've got a MBA and MSc though, but again they mean nothing at all to potential employer. They are more interests about your roles in your existing company, your yearly target and your yearly budget/P&L. (BTW, the one who benefit from MBA may be the MBA School who get paid a serious amount of $ and 2nd perhaps it looks better on my CV) It definitely doesn't help me at all in searching for new job outside IT.

作者: peninsula 時間: 2006-11-21 09:10

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原帖由 rcha7 於 2006-11-21 01:44 AM 發表
I thought about that... but sorry no.
The sad part of IT job is that it occupies 110% of your time, customer call u on 24x7 basis and also u need to do quite a number professional exam every year ...

You are not in the right company!

作者: coolcool2 時間: 2006-12-1 17:59 標題: 回復 #56 peninsula 的帖子

My pervious company has two paths, IT staff will need to decide at mid-management level, one is to promote to Architect (mainly technical design and development), the other is to promote to Technical Manager (project management, SQM more on management) both have same grade but different career path.

The point is putting a technical person into management role may very often lost a good developer/designer and gain a bad manager.

[ 本帖最後由 coolcool2 於 2006-12-1 10:05 AM 編輯 ]

作者: aloharicnsa 時間: 2006-12-7 05:49

I know some guy who is super technical but not a manager.

Upper manager should have seen that and make him/her as a technical lead, but the department manager.

作者: vikkichau 時間: 2006-12-27 21:53

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作者: gamors 時間: 2007-3-31 07:28

The worst thing in IT is how to deal with people who don't understand a thing about computer.
I, as a web programmer, always have to modify the code in the customers' favour. They think moving one item to another place is a piece of cake, but in reality it involves a lot of things...

作者: jameswang 時間: 2007-4-11 12:18

真是难啊，我也是，都不想干啦

作者: wahahaa 時間: 2007-4-19 02:27

夕陽行業.............

作者: peninsula 時間: 2007-4-19 21:06

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原帖由 wahahaa 於 2007-4-19 02:27 發表
夕陽行業.............

SUNRISE!

作者: tiger_niu 時間: 2007-4-27 17:09

以前是朝阳行业,现在是夕阳西下,一年不如一年

作者: pilot_x 時間: 2007-4-30 01:55

If you always have the mind that this industry is going to end, and blame on all the bad thing, why not just change a job in other industry? If you don't have any interest and passion on your current work, you will feel and think for all the bad thing about it. Try think on the positive side and treat it as a challenge everyday. See how many you can overcome it.....

作者: comti 時間: 2007-5-13 19:40

難啊！做it邊度都一樣難！

作者: chinese_stud 時間: 2007-5-23 20:30

I totally agree. I worked in the IT industry for more than 20 years, and I have fixed LCD watches, installed Blue Tooth headphones, fixed dead PCs, troubleshooted company's phone system, fixed PCL for Assembly Lines, etc.

The pay was alright, but it is getting worse nowadays.

作者: davidoff150 時間: 2007-6-4 00:46

Yes, I totally agree with you.
Especially in some small company operated by family, the management level usually care only about cost down, asking for illegal method to reduce daily operation cost. However, when getting into trouble, MIS people will probably be forced to take the responsibility.

作者: koon 時間: 2007-6-6 04:00

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原帖由 chinese_stud 於 2007-5-23 20:30 發表
I totally agree. I worked in the IT industry for more than 20 years, and I have fixed LCD watches, installed Blue Tooth headphones, fixed dead PCs, troubleshooted company's phone system, fixed PCL ...

依家系IT行好似做打雜........

作者: tommyboy210 時間: 2007-6-7 17:08

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原帖由 koon 於 2007-6-6 04:00 發表

依家系IT行好似做打雜........

係呀....仲要換埋燈膽呀!!

總之關於電既野都關it事.....

作者: isroy 時間: 2007-6-16 02:57

最慘係要提供 "人力資源",
第二個部門做唔掂 d 野就搵 it 做

作者: monkey_ham 時間: 2007-6-19 17:28

我一般自称自己为挨踢民工
大陆细公司，工厂，
ＩＴ基本上是地板到天花，桌下到桌上，办公室到机房，
最好有电工执照

作者: jakekeke 時間: 2007-6-26 00:39

剛畢業...只能說唉...........

作者: vhao335 時間: 2007-7-15 16:06 標題: Ya

Totally agree your point...correct, it's the fate of IT member

作者: gelato 時間: 2007-10-27 00:13 標題: 回復 #6 kenny01 的帖子

完全感同身受! 完全感同身受啦 !

作者: brian917 時間: 2007-11-9 20:47

也是这个行业的，很迷茫亚！

作者: 影尾曉 時間: 2007-12-27 20:41

完完全全命中紅心呀,
不過我已經算是幸運的一個,
在IT業找到了出路

作者: 牛奶蛇 時間: 2007-12-31 15:10

小弟在美國從事 IT業十幾年, 十幾年來我不停提示公司上下同仁我不是 electrician, 不是plumber, 不是 carpenter, 更不是 janitor. 我 time sheet 上登記的工作雖然did not generate revenue directly, 我的productivity should also be counted.

今曰我己不做IT人, 找回一些做人尊嚴, 心身暢快.

作者: samson_s 時間: 2008-5-9 22:57

夕陽工業????????????

作者: ky666666 時間: 2008-5-23 20:19

可是在我們公司做IT就超爽的
只要負責某部份系統就好
我又可以準時上下班
晚上去讀書
一個月也有5萬

作者: aloharicnsa 時間: 2008-7-25 04:12

Unfortunately this would only happen in "big" company - with different department, doing specific "stuff".

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原帖由 ky666666 於 2008-5-23 20:19 發表
可是在我們公司做IT就超爽的
只要負責某部份系統就好
我又可以準時上下班
晚上去讀書
一個月也有5萬

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