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作者: shray    時間: 2007-3-7 22:28     標題: 請教一首英文歌

最近聽商台妹妹的情書聽到這首歌，請問這歌叫甚麼名和是誰人唱的呢，那位知道麻煩請告訴小弟，多謝


[wma]http://music.geocities.jp/hkbbs2000/A000676pp.mp3[/wma]
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-7 23:44

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原帖由 shray 於 2007-3-7 22:28 發表
最近聽商台妹妹的情書聽到這首歌，請問這歌叫甚麼名和是誰人唱的呢
這首歌的名字是Qera Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)，在你的唱盤播出的主唱女歌手是Doris Day (桃麗絲黛)......
作者: shray    時間: 2007-3-8 00:07     標題: 回復 #2 richardbilliham 的帖子

噢！多謝大大告知，終於也知道^^

[ 本帖最後由 shray 於 2007-3-8 00:44 編輯 ]
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-11 03:13

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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-7 23:44 發表
這首歌的名字是Qera Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)，在你的唱盤播出的主唱女歌手是Doris Day (桃麗絲黛)......
歌名正確係 Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera), 呢首係希治閣 1956 年電影 "The Man Who Knew Too Much" 插曲。

香港歌手葛蘭 (Grace Chang) 大約 1958 年 曾經唱過國語版, 叫《將來是個迷》, 葛蘭把聲比 Doris Day 醇厚, 唱功贏 Doris Day 九條街都唔止, D 震音正到無倫, 仲有佢唱 Que Sera, Sera 個"ra"音 嘅時候, 條脷『發』得好正, 可能係因為佢細個喺上海讀法國教會學校, 所以精通法文。所以呢首歌除咗原唱之外, 葛蘭版本絕對唔可以錯過!!!
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-11 06:58

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原帖由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-11 03:13 發表


歌名正確係 Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera),
好心你唔好lan醒咁啦，AMG(All Music Guide)都系Qera, Sera Sera行先架，Qera, Sera Sera就系Whatever Will be, Will be的意思。

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.d ... =11:smazefwkhgfn~T1

重有呀，人地問唱盤裏面唱果位糸邊個唱咋.......
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-11 12:31

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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-11 06:58 發表
好心你唔好lan醒咁啦，AMG(All Music Guide)都系Qera, Sera Sera行先架，Qera, Sera Sera就系Whatever Will be, Will be的意思。

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.d ... EAEE47C1BDC4CAB7420 ...
唔知邊個懶醒呢????? 係 Que, 唔係 "Qera" 呀哥!!!!!

阿啦手上有隻 Billboard Top Movie Hits (1955-1959) 美版 CD, Rhino 出版, 歌名係 Whatever Will be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera), 你估 AMG 一定唔錯得架咩?????

呢隻係 Sony Music 出版 Doris Day 專輯, 睇清楚歌名係乜:


http://www.towerrecords.com/prod ... mp;artist=Doris+Day



[ 本帖最後由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-11 12:34 編輯 ]
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-11 17:50

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原帖由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-11 12:31 發表

係 Que, 唔係 "Qera" 呀哥!!!!!
你可以話我打錯字，我唔會駁你！

但唔該你去wikpedia睇下，佢地用乜野歌名放在頂頭，同埋寫在第三段寫過乜野... Listed with the alternate title, "Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)," 。哦，原來wikpedia成日都攪錯？

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wha ... Que_Sera%2C_Sera%29

計我話呀，如果陳秋霞曾唱過li首歌，佢一定唱得比Doris Day同埋葛蘭好多廿條街喎。重有呀，我都系最近先發現葛蘭li過”新大陸”咋…
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-11 18:59

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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-11 17:50 發表
你可以話我打錯字，我唔會駁你！

但唔該你去wikpedia睇下，佢地用乜野歌名放在頂頭，同埋寫在第三段寫過乜野... Listed with the alternate title, "Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera),"  ...
乜你唔知係人都可以入維基貼文章改文章嘅咩?????

三日前我至入去 update 咗《綠島小夜曲》資料咋?????

Doris Day 係 Columbia, 即係家陣 Sony Music 旗下歌手, 唔通連自己間唱片公司都搞錯?????

如果今次我搞錯, 我就切......個頭俾你當櫈坐!!!!!

仲有, 葛蘭自細就學習正統古典聲樂, 出道之後又跟名師學崑劇同梅派京劇, 中國咁多歌手, 基本功冇一個夠佢練得紮實, Chelsia 氣質係絕頂好, 但係唱功同葛蘭比始終差咗一截。

[ 本帖最後由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-11 19:17 編輯 ]
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-12 00:04

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原帖由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-11 18:59 發表
Doris Day 係 Columbia, 即係家陣 Sony Music 旗下歌手, 唔通連自己間唱片公司都 ...
乜自己間唱片公司都唔可以搞錯咩，佢地D資料系最權威咩？連原作歌曲Jay Livingston同埋作詞Ray Evans都唔夠唱片公司咁權威？你有冇去睇過他們的原始sheet music book cover呀？



重有呀，有冇去wikepedia裏面個talk部份，睇下佢地點解將Whatever Will be, Will be的名稱改為Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will be, Will be)的過程呀？ ("Accents", "The name of the article"及"Wikification")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal ... ll_Be%2C_Will_Be%29





冇就唔該唔好立亂將自己個頭切出黎比人坐，就算切左出黎，都未必有人坐架.....
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 00:04

同我拗嚟把托咩?????

走去 HMV 睇下咪知我啱定你錯囉!!!!!
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-12 01:03

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原帖由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-12 00:04 發表
同我拗嚟把托咩?????

走去 HMV 睇下咪知我啱定你錯囉!!!!!
我開頭已經講過，如果你只系話我打錯字，我唔會駁你，但你話隻歌ge正確名字系Whatever Will Be, Will be，我就認為有澄清必要。

E家就話叫人去權威性最低層次的唱片鋪求証，想笑死人咩.....
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 01:56

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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-12 00:04 發表
乜自己間唱片公司都唔可以搞錯咩，佢地D資料系最權威咩？連原作歌曲Jay Livingston同埋作詞Ray Evans都唔夠唱片公司咁權威？你有冇去睇過他們的原始sheet music book cover呀？

http://xs313.xs.to/xs313/0710 ...
「原始sheet music book」?????

咪笑死人啦!!!!!

戴番副老花眼鏡睇清楚 D!!!!

本黃皮書係 Hal.Leonard Corp 向Jay Livingston Inc.買版權出譜, 裏面 D 五線譜同結他譜係 Hal.Leonard Corp 班 staff 編架咋!!! 呢 D Sheet Book 我屋企大把啦!!!!!

我叫你去 HMV 搵隻 Doris Day CD 睇清楚下首歌叫乜名呀, Understand?????
作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-12 02:19

我都費事同D跌左落地拿番炸沙ge人駁落去.....
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 02:39

http://en.allexperts.com/e/w/wh/whatever_will_be_(que_ser%c3%a1,_ser%c3%a1).htm

Whatever Will Be (Que Será, Será)

"Whatever Will Be (Que Será, Será)" (also transposed as "Que Será, Será (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)") is a popular song, with music by Jay Livingston and lyrics by Ray Evans. The song was published in 1956 and featured in the 1956 remake of Alfred Hitchcock's The Man Who Knew Too Much, which starred Doris Day and James Stewart in the lead roles.

Doris Day recorded the song for the film, and her recording became a #1 hit, both in the U.S. and the UK. The recording was released by Columbia Records as catalog number 40704. It first reached the Billboard magazine charts on July 7, 1956. On the Disk Jockey chart, it peaked at #2; on the Best Seller chart, at #3; on the Juke Box chart, at #3; on the composite chart of the top 100 songs, it reached #2. It became Doris Day's theme song and was also used as the theme song of her television shows. The song received the 1956 Academy Award for Best Song.


呢篇同維基講嘅啱啱相反喎!!!!!
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 02:54

http://www.tias.com/1934/PictPage/1922907341.html

呢本至係「原始 sheet music」呀, 小朋友!!!!!

問你死得眼閉未?????



Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera) Sheet Music.
Original sheet music from The Man Who Knew Too Much. Published by Artists Music Inc. Words and music by Jay Livingston and Ray Evans. Copyright 1955. Condition is very good with no faults.
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 03:01

同老子拗音樂=買棺材唔知定

作者: richardbilliham    時間: 2007-3-12 03:43

我就冇D人咁口臭，叫人去買乜乜....

我只識理性去求證事情。

From Wikepedia:

QUOTE
The name of the article
The full song title exists in two official forms, neither with accent marks: no é, no á. The title of the song as composed and written by Livingston & Evans is in much wider use than the alternate title under which it won the 1956 Academy Award for Best Song:

Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)   [google hits: ~ 43,000]
→ examples: the sheet music, many album covers, at least one book cover.
Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)   [google hits: ~ 28,000]
→ examples: in the Oscars database and The Envelope.com Awards database.
Searches for portions of the title (with and without specifying song) lead to the same conclusion:

"Que Sera, Sera"   ~ 931,000      "Whatever Will Be, Will Be"   ~ 187,000   
"Que Sera, Sera" song     ~ 388,000      "Whatever Will Be, Will Be" song     ~ 116,000   

Perhaps the most obvious and useful article name is simply Que Sera, Sera

UNQUOTE

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=430331

QUOTE
Clarification of Answer by bobbie7-ga on 07 Jan 2006 10:10 PST
Additional information:

"Here's the latest background information on another of the 2005 HALL OF
FAME inductees: Doris Day's WHATEVER WILL BE, WILL BE (QUE SERA, SERA).


The song was written by Ray Evans and Jay Livingston, having been
inspired by a phrase in the Ava Gardner film, THE BAREFOOT CONTESSA,
where the character played by Rossano Brazzi had the family motto "Che
Sera, Sera."   Evans and Livingston switched the Italian "Che" to
"Que," changing the language from Italian to Spanish (because Spanish
was more widely spoken in the US).


WHATEVER WILL BE, WILL BE (QUE SERA, SERA) was written for Alfred
Hitchcock's remake of his own British thriller from 1934, THE MAN WHO
KNEW TOO MUCH.  Doris Day and James Stewart starred.  Hitchcock
didn't normally use music in his films, but Paramount Pictures (the
film's producers) felt that Doris Day's fans would be expecting to
hear her sing.


"Que sera, sera" means "What will be, will be."  Normally, QUE
SERA, SERA would have been the song's official title, but as the
Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences only considered
English-titled songs for Oscars, the songwriters were asked to release
it under it's English translation."

UNQUOTE
作者: alia    時間: 2007-3-12 03:48

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原帖由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-12 03:01 發表
同老子拗音樂=買棺材唔知定

你咁講又太過份...

識得多唔等於一定要向其他人炫耀...
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 04:37

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原帖由 alia 於 2007-3-12 03:48 發表


你咁講又太過份...

識得多唔等於一定要向其他人炫耀...
兄台, 唔該睇清楚, 係條友先撩者賤在先咋:
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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-11 06:58 發表
好心你唔好lan醒咁啦，AMG(All Music Guide)都系Qera, Sera Sera行先架，Qera, Sera Sera就系Whatever Will be, Will be的意思。

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.d ... EAEE47C1BDC4CAB7420 ...
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 04:55

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原帖由 richardbilliham 於 2007-3-12 03:43 發表
我就冇D人咁口臭，叫人去買乜乜....

我只識理性去求證事情。

From Wikepedia:

QUOTE
The name of the article
The full song title exists in two official forms, neither with accent marks: no é, ...
超!!! 你個口又有幾香呀?????


搬一大堆數字出嚟有鬼用咩, 人多認同就一定啱呀??? 張  original sheet music 係 1955 年版, 即係上 Billboard No.1 之前就已經印晒出街, 亦即係話 Billboard 根本冇搞錯歌名, 只係因為首歌歌詞係先唱 Que Sera, Sera 然後至唱 Whatever Will Be, Will Be, 所以班友就「想當然」認為歌名都應該係 Que Sera, Sera 行頭, Understand???

如果嫌幅相細睇唔清楚我就放大俾你睇:
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 05:29

再嚟張清晰版:





仲有呢張:

作者: 珠公主    時間: 2007-3-12 07:14

好多謝大家咁有心, 分享自己嘅音樂知識,
但請大家盡量保持克制, 否則我唯有lock thread!

多謝合作!!

[ 本帖最後由 珠公主 於 2007-3-12 07:18 編輯 ]
作者: 白貓兒    時間: 2007-3-12 08:52

LouisLee, 你好似係Roman Catholic 可, 乜你講野口氣咁既?

無興趣你們的爭識
不過我認為對於分享一個piece 不同artists的/performance/interpretation
每個worthy one 都有其merit,
我見到話下下都話「邊個邊個拋離邊個幾條街」, 實在感到   

「同老子拗.....」
我們所敬慕的音樂巨人往往好有修養, 涉獵文學、藝術、哲學, 不少都好謙遜甚至不失童真,
若祟拜他們的的樂迷將對追求他們的音樂變成一種自我膨脹,大家有甚麽感想?

[ 本帖最後由 白貓兒 於 2007-3-12 09:09 編輯 ]
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 11:32

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原帖由 白貓兒 於 2007-3-12 08:52 發表
LouisLee, 你好似係Roman Catholic 可, 乜你講野口氣咁既?

無興趣你們的爭識
不過我認為對於分享一個piece 不同artists的/performance/interpretation
每個worthy one 都有其merit,
我見到話下下都話「邊個 ...
Catholic 冇脾氣架??? 要做「架兩」唔該睇清楚上文下理!!!

條友打錯歌名, 指正佢佢就發爛渣, 仲要串我「lan 醒」, 咁又點計數先?????






[ 本帖最後由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-12 11:35 編輯 ]
作者: 白貓兒    時間: 2007-3-12 11:36

再諗下:

「同老子拗.....」
我們所敬慕的音樂巨人往往好有修養, 涉獵文學、藝術、哲學, 不少都好謙遜甚至不失童真,
若祟拜他們的的樂迷將對追求他們的音樂變成一種自我膨脹,大家有甚麽感想?
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 11:46

引用:
原帖由 白貓兒 於 2007-3-12 11:36 發表
再諗下:

「同老子拗.....」
我們所敬慕的音樂巨人往往好有修養, 涉獵文學、藝術、哲學, 不少都好謙遜甚至不失童真,
若祟拜他們的的樂迷將對追求他們的音樂變成一種自我膨脹,大家有甚麽感想?
唔使諗, 今次爭拗, 由佢一句「lan 醒」開始, 我份人一向都係你敬我一尺, 我敬你一丈, 但係如果有人對我出言不遜, 我就一定唔會對佢客氣!!!!!

討論到此為止!!!!!

最後定案, 正確歌名係:

Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)





[ 本帖最後由 LouisLee 於 2007-3-12 11:55 編輯 ]
作者: shray    時間: 2007-3-12 11:56

真係唔好意思，我發個帖查詢歌曲引起兩位生拗撬，實在過意唔去，送上兩位提過的歌給大家，希望大家和和氣氣，切勿因這帖傷感情

莫蘭 - 將來是個迷
[wma]http://music.geocities.jp/hkbbs2000/14967.wma[/wma]

Doris Day
[wma]http://music.geocities.jp/hkbbs2000/song456.mp3[/wma]
作者: LouisLee    時間: 2007-3-12 12:01

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原帖由 shray 於 2007-3-12 11:56 發表
真係唔好意思，我發個帖查詢歌曲引起兩位生拗撬，實在過意唔去，送上兩位提過的歌給大家，希望大家和和氣氣，切勿因這帖傷感情

莫蘭 - 將來是個迷
http://music.geocities.jp/hkbbs2000/14967.wma

Doris D ...
非常多謝樓主分享!!!
作者: 珠公主    時間: 2007-3-12 20:16

麻煩到此為止!! ..........



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