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作者: CPAMBA    時間: 2006-8-16 10:24     標題: 會計係真的咁有前途

最近經常聽到人話要做會計,

會計係真的咁有前途~~~~
作者: HJ2127_ATR1    時間: 2006-8-16 17:03

Support Dept 點會有前途！　　
作者: 軍師    時間: 2006-8-16 22:59

現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-17 00:36

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原帖由 軍師 於 2006-8-16 02:59 PM 發表
現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。
供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。

想當年(86)遍地黄金，我又懶，唔肯回流。D老友回流個個都意氣風發。到92年回流巳經冇乜景，果時真係有D自卑，二年之後一個機會咪又俾我揾番份CFO。

我覺得會計呢行都做得過，回報比付出的多。
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-8-17 05:53

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-16 04:36 PM 發表


供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。

想當年(86)遍地黄金，我又懶，唔肯回流。D老友回流個個都意氣風發。到92年回流巳經冇乜景，果時真係有D自卑，二年之後一個機會咪 ...
Congratulation first, your hard work finally paid off
Would u mind share what special skills u offer to make u the position today?
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-17 13:45

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-16 09:53 PM 發表


Congratulation first, your hard work finally paid off
Would u mind share what special skills u offer to make u the position today?
congratulations??? that was twelve years ago wor.

special skills I offer - between you and me (and don't tell my boss), NONE that I can think of.
作者: CHANGMAO    時間: 2006-8-17 14:17

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原帖由 HJ2127_ATR1 於 2006-8-16 05:03 PM 發表
Support Dept 點會有前途！　　
何解???
我公司近年俾會計佬玩晒架!
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-8-17 15:11

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-17 05:45 AM 發表


congratulations??? that was twelve years ago wor.

special skills I offer - between you and me (and don't tell my boss), NONE that I can think of.
may be your sense of humour
作者: HJ2127_ATR1    時間: 2006-8-17 16:53     標題: 回復 #7 CHANGMAO 的帖子

一向老細都係睇賺錢部門架啦！

除非老細就係在會計部做。　
作者: fatyin168    時間: 2006-8-17 17:47

E...., brother HJ2127, how come I can see you here, I just wonder if you are also from the Accounting field, otherwise, you will not have such kind of internal comments.
作者: CHANGMAO    時間: 2006-8-17 18:16

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原帖由 HJ2127_ATR1 於 2006-8-17 04:53 PM 發表
一向老細都係睇賺錢部門架啦！

除非老細就係在會計部做。　
Exactly!
作者: HJ2127_ATR1    時間: 2006-8-18 10:51     標題: 回復 #10 fatyin168 的帖子

哈，哈，又係度見到你，你估得冇錯，我除左要渣九巴，Dup骨外，我係有真正身份既。　
作者: HJ2127_ATR1    時間: 2006-8-18 10:53     標題: 回復 #11 CHANGMAO 的帖子

無計啦，大老細進註會計部，老細大洗得，其他人要慳ｄ啦。　
作者: howard171792    時間: 2006-8-18 17:33     標題: 哈哈...係會計佬玩晒

哈哈...因為我地有特別的技能及知識ma.......e.g.首先我地識幫間公司隱藏d盈利...唔駛交咁多稅...賺1億...可以隱藏3-4千萬...當然啦...如果老細話要盤數做靚d... 因為要股價好d...我地都可以有技巧地增加自己公司盈利 !! 你話勁唔勁... 人唔駛多..一個會計佬就可以做到ga la!!
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-19 11:35

Hi 各位兄弟, 我又係做會計㗎 !  有冇前途, 都好講運氣. 在另一標題, 我已經講過, 不再重複. 但是在這一行打工而又要出頭的話, 你所付出的, 真係要比其他人多很多, 包括時間, 勞力, 腦力, 承擔, 等等, 有時重要忍辱負重.  

不過, 如果與其他文職比較, 尚算穩定. 還可以吧 !


作者: jk123    時間: 2006-8-19 13:06

牛工一份
作者: jk123    時間: 2006-8-19 13:08

經常要update自己
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-19 13:28     標題: 回覆 jk123#17的帖子,

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原帖由 jk123 於 2006-8-19 05:08 AM 發表
經常要update自己
重要 upgrade 㗎 ... ! 考下專業試 la, 係就係辛苦D. 不過投資在自己身上, 點都係值得㗎 !

加油 ...  


作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-19 16:06

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-19 05:28 AM 發表


重要 upgrade 㗎 ... ! 考下專業試 la, 係就係辛苦D. 不過投資在自己身上, 點都係值得㗎 !

加油 ...  


我喺citipoly做lecturer既舊同事經常advise佢D學生要學好英文，專業試就易好多。真係好有道理，以前我有D英文好既同事考ACCA三次(頭尾一年)攪𠶧，我地D水皮既就逢二進一都唔止。到放榜個日真係好大壓力。

[ 本帖最後由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-19 08:09 AM 編輯 ]
作者: 軍師    時間: 2006-8-19 18:05

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-19 04:06 PM 發表


我喺citipoly做lecturer既舊同事經常advise佢D學生要學好英文，專業試就易好多。真係好有道理，以前我有D英文好既同事考ACCA三次(頭尾一年)攪𠶧，我地D水皮既就逢二進一都唔止。到放榜個日真係好大壓力。
一年都只係考二次炸喎，佢點係一年內考三次啊？ 我諗你果friend 梗係 exempt 咗 10張paper，如果唔係冇可能一年考晒。
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-19 18:23

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原帖由 軍師 於 2006-8-19 10:05 AM 發表



一年都只係考二次炸喎，佢點係一年內考三次啊？ 我諗你果friend 梗係 exempt 咗 10張paper，如果唔係冇可能一年考晒。
點解唔得？我地分section I, II, III, IV, V.  可以两section 一齊考。今年六月考Section I & II, 十二月考Sec III & IV, 明年六月考 Sec V. 頭尾一年零幾日。

嗰陣最多exempt 4 科 (HKU Bachelor, major in accounting).
作者: 軍師    時間: 2006-8-19 18:59

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-19 06:23 PM 發表


點解唔得？我地分section I, II, III, IV, V.  可以两section 一齊考。今年六月考Section I & II, 十二月考Sec III & IV, 明年六月考 Sec V. 頭尾一年零幾日。

嗰陣最多exempt 4 科 ( ...
如果你咁計法，咁今年六月考之前係唔係完全唔使時間準備先？唔通佢可以人地六月一號考，佢五月三十一日報考？ 點計都超過一年啦。  不過講開又講，我都識得有條友都係用一年時間考鬼咗，佢考之前專誠辭鬼埋份工，exempt 咗 七張 paper，結果俾佢博到。
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-20 01:27     標題: 回覆dejavu2003 #19 &#21的帖子

Hi dejavu 和軍師,

很高興認識你們 !

係呀, 英文無論在考試或者工作上都很重要. 記得我中學的校長, 特別提倡背英文. 所以, 在中一至中五那五年裏, 每週都有一堂背英文, 仲係由該位校長親自教的. 他的理論就是從input到output的過程中, 只要有一部份的資料可以留在memory, 以後不需要input都可以從memory output出來, 你就學到一些英文. 然後再從課文以外各種渠道累積起來, 你的英文就一定有所改進.

再講講很多年前考Chartered Secretaries 英文paper時, 要背卅多篇文去應考. 當時的要求是兩小時提供六段三百至五百字的回答, 有memo, 有report等格式.

現在最佳的渠道應該是各英文報章的社論和雜誌.  

另外軍師所提到的果條友, 可能佢唔係搏禁簡單, 這可能就是所謂determination la ...

幾時開始都唔會遲, 只係好好利用一下空閒的時間, 在這過程中, 或者會找到新的樂趣.

加油 ...

作者: Mountain    時間: 2006-8-20 02:01

do not join accounting. work like a dog!
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-20 14:17

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原帖由 Mountain 於 2006-8-19 06:01 PM 發表
do not join accounting. work like a dog!
Mountain 兄,

所有打工仔甚至打工皇帝, 都係要做ge啦 ! 或者有時人地做ge嘢你睇唔見啫.

現在的環境, 有份工比冇工做好好多. 當然, 有得選擇就更加好. 如果現職是accounting又希望自我提升, 可以讀讀書, 考考試,攞番個degree, 做個chief accountant 或者financial controller, 到時你就爽 la ...

There is no free lunch. Start to invest in yourself, determine your goal and work towards it ...

作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 15:01

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-20 06:17 AM 發表


Mountain 兄,

所有打工仔甚至打工皇帝, 都係要做ge啦 ! 或者有時人地做ge嘢你睇唔見啫.

現在的環境, 有份工比冇工做好好多. 當然, 有得選擇就更加好. 如果現職是accounting又希望自我提升, 可以讀讀書 ...
雖然而家D人做audit 朝九晚十，冇哂私人時間，但往好處想，你地而家學緊野喎，而家你可以用三年時間學到五年既野，係咪都有得益呢。

不過我都唔明D firm要攪到D staff 咁。我地個簡單audit佢都收我十幾萬，又無deadline, 派兩個靚落黎要一個禮拜搞掂。我D staff 十一點走佢地都唔肯走，想我地留低大門匙俾佢地，俾我第二日媽义佢。我話錢你地收足，我又唔趕，點觧你要幫我做個 rush job?
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-20 15:17

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 07:01 AM 發表


雖然而家D人做audit 朝九晚十，冇哂私人時間，但往好處想，你地而家學緊野喎，而家你可以用三年時間學到五年既野，係咪都有得益呢。

不過我都唔明D firm要攪到D staff 咁。我地個簡單audit佢都收我十幾萬， ...
我都有同感 . 過去幾年舊公司都係用PWC, 佢班友真係好搏, 晚睌八九點都唔願走.  

PWC的partners就正哂 la, 有D咁搏的伙記. 不過有時又可能係D staff 搏表現 .

作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 15:40

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-20 07:17 AM 發表


我都有同感 . 過去幾年舊公司都係用PWC, 佢班友真係好搏, 晚睌八九點都唔願走.  

PWC的partners就正哂 la, 有D咁搏的伙記. 不過有時又可能係D staff 搏表現 .

我地俾完十幾皮都冇service,重有兩星期tax deadline 佢老味 D partner 上星期重make 緊comment, 重propose緊audit adjustment, 份F/S重做到錯X哂，我通常唔理份statutory accounts, 以我咁隨便既人都隨手揾到錯野，而家都八月啦，咁點解你要D staff 喺五月趕乜先？
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-20 16:48

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 07:40 AM 發表


我地俾完十幾皮都冇service,重有兩星期tax deadline 佢老味 D partner 上星期重make 緊comment, 重propose緊audit adjustment, 份F/S重做到錯X哂，我通常唔理份statutory accounts, 以我咁隨便既人都隨手 ...
Dejavu 兄,

有時表面看到的事, 可能後面又有另外一個故事. 我提議你跟上司說說, 然後再採取適當的行動.點都只是公事, 就按公司規矩去辦事,無謂太personal.  


作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 17:12

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-20 08:48 AM 發表


Dejavu 兄,

有時表面看到的事, 可能後面又有另外一個故事. 我提議你跟上司說說, 然後再採取適當的行動.點都只是公事, 就按公司規矩去辦事,無謂太personal.  


我巳經對美國講咗我一定會換Auditor，除非listing rule有問題(不過佢地巳經話無)，否則一切由我决定。

我唔理佢後面乜野事，我係client,我有expectation, and You have been warned.  You can't give me the same treatment year after year even I said I didn't like it.  你咪以為係 ultimate holding company 欽點我就唔可以轉你先得架。可能佢當我地香港係細client，所以唔care。
作者: njdragon    時間: 2006-8-20 17:23

i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 17:33

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原帖由 njdragon 於 2006-8-20 09:23 AM 發表
i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member
hihi.

Based in Nanjing???
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 17:35

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原帖由 njdragon 於 2006-8-20 09:23 AM 發表
i am an accountant too, haha
currently cpa member
有冇用過佢個 lounge.  好似好靚咁喎。
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-8-20 18:18

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 09:12 AM 發表


我巳經對美國講咗我一定會換Auditor，除非listing rule有問題(不過佢地巳經話無)，否則一切由我决定。

我唔理佢後面乜野事，我係client,我有expectation, and You have been warned.  You can ...
It seems they haven't offered a reasonable services and overcharged your company  
作者: winforum    時間: 2006-8-20 19:31

Dear all,

There are so many firms all around the world. There should be some staff to handle accounting works or bookkeeping. So, it is sure there are many job oppournities in accounting field. Right?
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 20:39

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原帖由 winforum 於 2006-8-20 11:31 AM 發表
Dear all,

There are so many firms all around the world. There should be some staff to handle accounting works or bookkeeping. So, it is sure there are many job oppournities in accounting field.  ...
Using the same logic, the same can be said about Sales, Marketing, Purchasing, Administration, ......
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-20 20:40

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-20 10:18 AM 發表


It seems they haven't offered a reasonable services and overcharged your company  
They might think we have deep pockets.  

The service really sucks.
作者: CHANGMAO    時間: 2006-8-21 11:08

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原帖由 howard171792 於 2006-8-18 05:33 PM 發表
哈哈...因為我地有特別的技能及知識ma.......e.g.首先我地識幫間公司隱藏d盈利...唔駛交咁多稅...賺1億...可以隱藏3-4千萬...當然啦...如果老細話要盤數做靚d... 因為要股價好d...我地都可以有技巧地增加自己公司 ...
隱藏d盈利有乜用
想慳稅定係貶低公司價值?
其實都冇乜咁大不了

至叻嗰啲會連牌都唔要, 洗定八月十五, 咁幫老細食大茶飯Cap水走佬
作者: CHANGMAO    時間: 2006-8-21 11:08

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 08:39 PM 發表



Using the same logic, the same can be said about Sales, Marketing, Purchasing, Administration, ......
唉........
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-21 21:42

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原帖由 CHANGMAO 於 2006-8-21 03:08 AM 發表


唉........
長毛哥乜咁煩惱呀？
作者: CHANGMAO    時間: 2006-8-22 12:12

唉........ 唉........ 唉........  
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-22 13:17     標題: 回覆CHANGMAO#38的帖子

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原帖由 CHANGMAO 於 2006-8-21 11:08 發表


隱藏d盈利有乜用
想慳稅定係貶低公司價值?
其實都冇乜咁大不了

至叻嗰啲會連牌都唔要, 洗定八月十五, 咁幫老細食大茶飯Cap水走佬
長毛兄,

你真有見地. 替客戶慳稅, 全世界的public accounting firms or their affiliates都會做. 但唔係隱藏d盈利, 而係按每個國家的稅務法律, 在操作上適當地安排, 令到該公司的利潤, 稅局都唔能夠按法律去抽稅.

舉例, 有家在香港註冊的公司, 佢的產品是一些防衰老的精華素, 防曬濟等等. 所有交易在網上進行. 而網上操作的hub在星加坡.

香港的公司只有註冊地址, 冇寫字樓,冇職員, 所有該公司在香港的操作, 由一家小型的會計師樓承辦.

該公司在星加坡成立一家子公司全權負責該產品的銷售, 推廣和IT管理的工作並按月向香港母公司收管理費.營業地域真係可以說是全世界.

由於所有的銷售收入在香港入賬, 銷售的合約在星加坡完成, 所以其中所產生的盈利, 屬於海外營業, 按本港法律, 並不需要向特區政府納稅.

有時見到生意人跟稅局鬥法的案例, 真係拍案叫絕, 好嘢 ...
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-8-22 18:49

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-22 05:17 AM 發表


長毛兄,

你真有見地. 替客戶慳稅, 全世界的public accounting firms or their affiliates都會做. 但唔係隱藏d盈利, 而係按每個國家的稅務法律, 在操作上適當地安排, 令到該公司的利潤, 稅局都唔能夠按法律 ...

But do they need to pay tax to Singapore? I mean profits tax
作者: 1509mni    時間: 2006-8-22 23:49

You won't regret
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-23 06:43

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-22 18:49 發表



But do they need to pay tax to Singapore? I mean profits tax
Hi brother Tummy,

You asked a good question. Yes, the subsidiary in Singapore will have to pay tax according to its assessable profits which come from its management-fee income and commission income on sales in its territory (Singapore) ...
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-8-23 20:26

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-22 10:43 PM 發表


Hi brother Tummy,

You asked a good question. Yes, the subsidiary in Singapore will have to pay tax according to its assessable profits which come from its management-fee income and commissio ...
Brother Taurus, u a too humble
Ask a question is much more easier than give answer or solution
BTW, tks for your answer
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-24 08:57

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-23 20:26 發表


Brother Taurus, u a too humble
Ask a question is much more easier than give answer or solution
BTW, tks for your answer
Hi Brother Tummy,

Thank you for your compliment !

I started off working as a clerk in Inland Revenue Department, then as an audit trainee in a chartered accounting firm which was later affiliated with and changed its name as PricewaterhouseCoopers.

After about 3 years of audit training, I started my career in accounting field. Most of my experience which I regarded as valuable came from working with two international companies both of them were listed in New York Stock Exchange and engaged in chemical field. At the same time, my last employer was a state-owned company in Europe.

Therefore, I am pleased to share my experience with all brothers and sisters and exchange ideas / opinion with them. In fact, I may be benefitted during the course of these exchanges.

Please keep up our communication at your convenience.  
作者: wander    時間: 2006-8-24 20:48

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-24 12:57 AM 發表


Hi Brother Tummy,

Thank you for your compliment !

I started off working as a clerk in Inland Revenue Department, then as an audit trainee in a chartered accounting firm which was later a ...
Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've also got a Advanced Diploma in Accounting from HKU SPACE

My original plan is to find an auditor junior post after I passed the ACCA core papers,
but unforunately, in the June 2006 exam, I had only passed Paper 3.6 (I want to
re-take Paper 3.5 and 3.7 in the coming December).

I'm now 28 years old and I'm worried that if I don't get into the audit / accounting
field a.s.a.p., I'd have no chance later on. So I intend to find audit job now and
take the ACCA exams at the same time.

What do you think of my situation and my plan?

Thank you and looking forward to your advice.

I'd also like to have the advice from everybody else in this forum. Thank you!
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-24 22:21

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ...
Hi brother wander,

Again, thank you for your compliment and cngratulation to you for having obtained an Advanced Diploma in Accounting from HKU SPACE after 5 years of hard work. I understand how hard it really is to attend evening classes after work.

Your advanced diploma should at least equate you as an undergraduate, if not a graduate. As I understand that audit and accounting field is now short of new comers, you may first try those reputable audit firms first because their labels can really give you credit when you want to join the commercial sector after you have worked for them for a few years.

If you are not lucky with them, you may turn to the second tier of these audit firms. But the starting salary may not be desirable by most of you, about $6,000 per month.

Please let us all know after you have gone through above and best wishes to your search for a desirable position in this field. Welcome aboard, wander ...
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-25 01:21

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 12:48 PM 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ...
I have been out of the touch with the system - Paper 3.X, does that mean you are closing in on qualifying??  If so, I think despite at the age of 28, you might still have a chance to join the Chartered Accountants firm.  I might make an inquiry at EY to see what their position is.  Just curious, why would anyone take ACCA instead of the ICPA these days?  They have been treated like dirts by ICPA lately.

You did write impeccable English, succintly and well organized.  I hope you speak just as good.  It would work to your advantage as I believe few of their new intakes could write anywhere near as good.

Don't know about the salary level, but the $6,000 brother Taurus mentioned above kinda surprised me.   I thought the big-4 now pays well over $10,000 and the 2nd tier shouldn't be that far behind.  But my advice is, as long as you can survive at the low wage, you should invest in your future by joining the audit firm.  It will pay off soon.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-25 07:11     標題: Response to wander's post #48

Hi brother wander,

It is good to see that you have got a piece of good advice from brother dejavu2003. Stay in touch !

Just treat your career in audit at the entry level as an apprenticeship and be prepared to accept a low salary.

As the so-called second tier of audit firms ranges from those just next to EY and PWC  to the very bottom, so nothing is impossible.

It may even be better for those brothers who are still working in this profession to give you a hint about the present range of salary as an audit trainee in the first year of employment.
作者: wander    時間: 2006-8-25 07:53

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-8-24 11:11 PM 發表
Hi brother wander,

It is good to see that you have got a piece of good advice from brother dejavu2003. Stay in touch !

Just treat your career in audit at the entry level as an apprenticeship  ...
Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard that ACCA's exams were equivalent to HKICPA's
exams, so I thought it'd be good to join this globally-renowned organization. The recent
treatment from HKICPA is really depressing, though. I guess all HKICPA wants is to protect
its interest in HK (for people who joined ACCA after August 2004, the mutual recognition
between ACCA and HKICAP has been limited).

Regarding brother dejavu2003's question, Paper 3.5 ~ 3.7 are the core paper of ACCA.
After I pass these papers and gain 3 years practical experience, I may become an ACCA
member.

Thank you again for your help.

Morer advice from others would be appreciated too!
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-8-26 02:43

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 11:53 PM 發表



Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard  ...
You started in April 2004 and now you are on the verge of qualifying.  You must be very smart and/or dedicated.  It might reinforce the view that people with good command of English have a higher chance of breezing through the professional exam.  It took me bloody 6 years.  

Going back to your concern, I can't believe an ACCA can't find a job as an audit trainee despite the age "handicap".  I have yet to find out the firm's position but i will do that promptly.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-8-26 08:30

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-25 07:53 發表



Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard  ...
Hi brother wander,

Pleasant job hunting and let us know your good news soon ...
作者: wyhwjh520    時間: 2006-8-30 08:22

支持~~~~
作者: fatking_hk    時間: 2006-9-1 12:34

供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。
作者: wander    時間: 2006-9-1 19:53     標題: started job hunting

I have sent application letters to Grant Thornton and BDO this week.
Maybe I'll sent letters to other 2nd-tiers.

Instead of sending massive amount of letters, I only choose a few
2nd-tiers coz I want to stick to the fews about whom I am more familiar
with (by studying their web sites).

Even if there's no reply for 2 months, i.e. till the end of October, I won't
be too hasty coz I'll spend the whole November preparing the ACCA exams
in December. This sounds adventurous, but I have little financial burden so
I think I can bear the risk.

Thank you again for everybody's support.
作者: CPAMBA    時間: 2006-9-1 22:03

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原帖由 fatking_hk 於 2006-9-1 12:34 PM 發表
供應量上上落落，會自然調節既，最重要係equip 自己，等待機會來臨。
好同意師兄所講~~~
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-2 22:59

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ...
Hi Brother Wander, your photo looks great. I hope the same is with your future.

Now that you've made your decision, better late than never. I'm sure you won't regret it afterwards.

On the other hand, have you ever thought of quitting everything but just focus on passing your ACCA professional examination first in coming November ?

If you can afford it, it's not a bad idea ... comparing the significance of a professional degree and the salary you might have lost on quitting your job for less than three months ...
作者: wander    時間: 2006-9-3 06:56

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-2 02:59 PM 發表


Hi Brother Wander, your photo looks great. I hope the same is with your future.

Now that you've made your decision, better late than never. I'm sure you won't regret it afterwards.

On th ...
Hi Brother Taurus,

Initially I had wanted to quit my job after I've found a new one,
but my senior advised me to quit first, coz she could then
have time to recruite someone new and learn how to follow
the task I left behind. She didn't want me to quit all at a sudden
and left her panic. I thought she had a point, so I handed over
my resignation letter at the end of August.

BTW, I think that the labour market is really doing fine (not talking
my job-hunting) because most applicants to my company are asking
for higher salaries than mine, and there is a guy who cancelled the
appointment with us because he is now busying with his freelance
jobs.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-3 09:59

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-9-3 06:56 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Initially I had wanted to quit my job after I've found a new one,
but my senior advised me to quit first, coz she could then
have time to recruite someone new and learn  ...
Hi Brother Wander,

It's good to hear from you early in the morning. You've been too kind to your senior and think about her first. I hope this will serve you well with a good reference letter from her.

I wonder if the sale coordinator's job which you've been doing concerns with receipt and execution of customers' orders, placing purchase orders with suppliers, following up shipments and LCs, issuance of invoices and lodgement of shipping documents to banks, etc. ?

We have a Chinese saying that "魚唔過塘唔會大�H". Recently, our Financial Secretary emphasised that HK unemployment rate was 4.9% ( I don't remember la ! ). Local economy should be doing quite well.

But to find a job or to recruit an appropriate candidate is a different thing. It really has to depend on a lot of factors, one of which may be luck for the applicant and for the recruiting company as well to result in a successful match !

Brother Wander, it's now the time for you to pull yourself together and move forward ! Do it for yourself and try to think of yourself first from now on ...
作者: wander    時間: 2006-9-3 13:28

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-3 01:59 AM 發表


Hi Brother Wander,

It's good to hear from you early in the morning. You've been too kind to your senior and think about her first. I hope this will serve you well with a good reference lette ...
Hi Brother Taurus,

Basically you have correctly estimated my scope of duty.

But, in addition, I also serve as the interpretor between my Japanese / Korean
colleagues (who speak Japanese) and the Chinese / English-speaking clients.
I also translate contracts, specification and analysis reports from Japanese to
English / Chinese, and vice versa.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-3 14:14

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-9-3 13:28 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Basically you have correctly estimated my scope of duty.

But, in addition, I also serve as the interpretor between my Japanese / Korean
colleagues (who speak Japanese) ...
Hi Brother Wander,

I'm afraid that you have to stay long hours in the office and then have many parties afterwards.

It's good for you to make your decision to have a change in your life, your career ...

Work towards having your identity and a professional qualification. It's very important nowaday !

Don't worry, move forward towards your goal, brother ...
作者: mani    時間: 2006-9-4 03:04

it depends whether u have a professional qualification or not
作者: miura    時間: 2006-9-4 22:24

what is the salary for "partner"?
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-4 23:22

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原帖由 miura 於 2006-9-4 22:24 發表
what is the salary for "partner"?
I would like to know too !
作者: hjhjhj2004    時間: 2006-9-6 17:21

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原帖由 軍師 於 2006-8-16 02:59 PM 發表
現在那些人一窩蜂的跑去唸會計，遲幾年會計行業從業員的供應量一定會大增，工資一定會下降，當中能出類拔萃做到 CFO 的人又會有幾多呢？前途？這一行一定不會餓死人，不過以為唸會計一定會前程似錦未免太天真了。
Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years!
作者: fatyin168    時間: 2006-9-6 17:52     標題: 回復 #67 hjhjhj2004 的帖子

So far I find it not bad. Of course, it dues on the opportunities you met all over your working life. And also how much effort you've contributed in this area.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-7 10:29

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原帖由 CPAMBA 於 2006-8-15 06:24 PM 發表
最近經常聽到人話要做會計,

會計係真的咁有前途~~~~
Of course, did you not read that 80% of HK accountants got pay rise of between 6% to 20% this year.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-7 22:29

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-6 17:21 發表

Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years!
Don't be so pessimistic, Brother Hjhjhj2004 !  

If you think positively, you have already had 20 years of stable job. Most of us work day in day out for our living. This is the fact of life.  

Since you have been in this profession for 20 years, you know the rules. Either you study for a degree in the profession or you find something interesting in life to enjoy.

Life is not all for making money and hard-work ! There are so many things in life for you to appreciate and enjoy. Spend more time with your loved ones, your family !

Best of luck !  
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-8 09:08

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-6 01:21 AM 發表


Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years!
What are yoiu doing now?
作者: fatyin168    時間: 2006-9-8 10:40     標題: 回復 #70 taurus 的帖子

Totally agreed. Life is easy when you stay your heart with your lovely family.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-8 14:52

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原帖由 miura 於 2006-9-4 06:24 AM 發表
what is the salary for "partner"?
For large firms, junior partners get over $2m. Minimum is @1.2m for smaller firms. Of course, can go up a lot if you are senior partners.
作者: hjhjhj2004    時間: 2006-9-8 21:45

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-8 01:08 AM 發表

What are yoiu doing now?
Working, working, working... no time for family, no respect, nothing..
作者: hjhjhj2004    時間: 2006-9-8 21:47

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-7 02:29 PM 發表


Don't be so pessimistic, Brother Hjhjhj2004 !  

If you think positively, you have already had 20 years of stable job. Most of us work day in day out for our living. This is the fact of ...
Don't believe the so-called Pesident. Believe me. Find a useful career. There are thousonds of ways to earn your living!
作者: Rocket8    時間: 2006-9-9 06:35

agree, it is a very demanding field now..
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-10 11:21

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-8 21:45 發表

Working, working, working... no time for family, no respect, nothing..
Dear Brother Hjhjhj2004,

At present, I am working on an audit assignment of a restaurant next to West Rail Station. The accountant there works from 9 am to 6 pm but has to stay late frequently for a 6-day week. She looks after preparation of daily cash and journal vouchers, attends to issues relating to human resouces including insurance claims,  income tax & MPF, arranges payment of wages to more than 100 employees and more than 80 recurrent suppliers every month, not mentioning the requirement of issuing checks and the general ledger is kept by typing in Chinese. On average, the monthly gross revenue amounts to $2 million. She earns about $10k a month.

Brother, please try to pay your attention away from the misery of your work and attend to other aspects of life that you find interesting, say, books and music.

If you indeed have problem in your work, I highly recommend to you to discuss with your superior because they will care especially in your condition of having worked for a long period of time with your company. It will be a headache to them to find somebody to fill your vacancy should you decide to leave.

Please speak to your close friend of all your anxiety and your problems in order to loose all the tension you now have at work.

Take care, brother !
作者: wander    時間: 2006-9-18 14:41

Hello everyone,

I have got a post of audit trainee at a small local firm and I'll start working on 22nd September.

I hope that I can share more about the job with you later.
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-9-18 16:15

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-9-18 06:41 AM 發表
Hello everyone,

I have got a post of audit trainee at a small local firm and I'll start working on 22nd September.

I hope that I can share more about the job with you later.
Congratulations.   Welcome to the profession.

I am sure you will do very well.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-18 23:24     標題: Re : Wander's post #78

Hi Brother Wander,

Congratulation !!!!!!!!  

Hope you like the job and the chance of being able to look into accounting systems of quite a number of companies across different industries.

Wish you the very best and please share with us any interesting issues in future ...
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-19 11:47

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-9 07:21 PM 發表


Dear Brother Hjhjhj2004,

At present, I am working on an audit assignment of a restaurant next to West Rail Station. The accountant there works from 9 am to 6 pm but has to stay late frequent ...
This was just an example. Many are getting well paid and not too much O/T (like myself). You need to select the company carefully. If you are in audit or small local commercial firms etc., of course, pay will be low and very long working hours.  
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-19 20:26

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-19 11:47 發表

This was just an example. Many are getting well paid and not too much O/T (like myself). You need to select the company carefully. If you are in audit or small local commercial firms etc., of cou ...
Yes, that's an example to show to Brother Hjhjhj2004 that there are many employees in the accounting profession receiving their rewards not commensurate with their efforts and output, having an office like a storeroom with minimum space just enough for them to get in and out.

They would like to have more choices if they can but .....

Life is too harsh and earnig a living is even harder. So, try to put aside all the pressure and misery at your work after office hours, learn to relax and find out other aspects in life that you may have interest and appreciate. All the very best to everybody .....
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-20 11:27

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-19 04:26 AM 發表


Yes, that's an example to show to Brother Hjhjhj2004 that there are many employees in the accounting profession receiving their rewards not commensurate with their efforts and output, having an ...
Sure but many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-20 12:23

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-20 11:27 發表

Sure but many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!
Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

We have seen from time to time brothers of this forum complaining their jobs in this field. Are we trying to communicate patiently with them, giving them encouragement and support or rather teasing them with your saying " I'm getting well paid and not too much O/T or many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!"

What you have said is fact but does it help all those brothers ....
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-20 16:50

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-19 08:23 PM 發表


Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

W ...
My POINT is this applies to all jobs and profession, not just Finance/Accounting. Also, don't be too negative.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-20 18:33

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-20 16:50 發表

My POINT is this applies to all jobs and profession, not just Finance/Accounting. Also, don't be too negative.
Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-9-20 20:19

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-20 04:23 AM 發表


Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

W ...
very well said.  This is a professional forum to share ideas and people should be expected to uphold a high standard consistent with their profession.   This is no place for anyone to brag about how well off they are - as most accountants should be relatively well off, including myself and you.   What one considers himself well paid, 1) is of no interest to nobody, 2) is only his own personal perception, and other people might chuckle to death over it.  Believe me, I came across someone in the timway forum who, without saying a word how well off/paid he is, actually owns a five star hotel.   That is what I called well paid.  Fellow accountants/former colleagues I mingle with, are either well off enough to retire comfortably in thier 40's or early 50's, or if they are working, are making some $3 million p.a.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-21 09:06

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-20 02:33 AM 發表


Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........
Hey - I have always been POSITIVE on Finance/Accounting field! Just some people cannot work in audit firms.
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-21 09:07

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-9-20 04:19 AM 發表


very well said.  This is a professional forum to share ideas and people should be expected to uphold a high standard consistent with their profession.   This is no place for anyone to brag abou ...
Not bragging - just FACTS!  
作者: dejavu2003    時間: 2006-9-22 00:26

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-21 01:07 AM 發表

Not bragging - just FACTS!  
of course in your little silo, you genuinely think you are well paid, for what others might chuckle to death.
作者: Tummy    時間: 2006-9-22 08:27

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原帖由 taurus 於 2006-9-20 10:33 AM 發表


Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........
I think U always show positive personality according to your opinions, I reckon people come from all walk of life,  they see thing in different points of view, some people might think the glass is half full, some might think is half empty.

Brother, u are right that to give the people more encouragement better than just teasing them. if possible could you share your (extensive) experience to show us how to finish accounting work in more efficiency and effective manner( may be too ideal )

[ 本帖最後由 Tummy 於 2006-9-22 12:32 AM 編輯 ]
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-22 09:02

Many thanks to Brothers Dejavu2003 and Tummy for your impartiality, vision of righteousnes and willingness to speak up.  I salute to you !  

In fact, this is not what I expect to encounter a situation like this in this forum where we are supposed to share our experience with each other issues relating to our profession  and sometimes our grievances, too.

But life is full of surprises ! You are my surprises now ! A lot of thanks, again, brothers ...  
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-22 09:46

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-9-21 04:27 PM 發表


I think U always show positive personality according to your opinions, I reckon people come from all walk of life,  they see thing in different points of view, some people might think the glass ...
Hi - I don't want to start confrontational-type dialogue.

Anyway, accounting profession is in great demands. You just need to read all the news from yesterday to know that there are acute shortage and salries have gone up a lot.

In all walks of life and profession, there are bound to be others more successful than others despite having same qualifications/background. So my advise is to keep moving until you find the right job. But having an accounting qualification will guarantee you a good, well-paid job even if not what people consider as "cool"!
作者: couto86hk    時間: 2006-9-22 19:23

我覺得做會計都好似幾好
至少收入穩定啊
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-23 10:11

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原帖由 couto86hk 於 2006-9-22 03:23 AM 發表
我覺得做會計都好似幾好
至少收入穩定啊
You are absolutely right! Pay (on average) is quite good too.
作者: pangpang913    時間: 2006-9-24 18:20

long working hours
shity salary
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-25 10:04

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原帖由 pangpang913 於 2006-9-24 02:20 AM 發表
long working hours
shity salary
Shity salary - who said????
作者: hjhjhj2004    時間: 2006-9-26 16:52

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原帖由 pangpang913 於 2006-9-24 10:20 AM 發表
long working hours
shity salary
When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it.
作者: taurus    時間: 2006-9-26 17:50

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-26 16:52 發表

When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it.
We look forward to hearing your story ! But in the meantime, please maintain a good balance between your working and family lives. Take care ...
作者: peninsula    時間: 2006-9-26 17:58

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-26 12:52 AM 發表

When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it.
Get rid of what? Don't work??



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