Some reports about the effect of minimum wage ordinance :
In UK and USA, the findings have been
1/  There has " no measurable adverse effect on employment or inflation."
2/  No obvious incentive for young people to leave full time education and start working.

http://www.lowpay.gov.uk/lowpay/report/pdf/2006_Min_Wage.pdf

http://www.risep-fiu.org/reports/Florida_Minimum_Wage_Report.pdf

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原帖由 Rainybreeze 於 2008-10-13 01:05 發表


From a fundamental scientifical stand point, if the above reports' conclusions are to be applied to Hong Kong, the reports' premises and pre-conditions should be in agreement with Hong Kong's cond ...

In the UK, from the report, they have been increasing the min wage on a yearly rate higher than the average national income increase, that means the lowest income groups are increasing their income.

In the Florida case, there have been a yearly chat and showing that employment rate has increase with respect to nation (USA) wide figures.

I like to point out that the same argument about "job lost", "inflation" has been cited in these countries but that did not happened in reality.

Of course, you are right that the economic model, the culture, the spending (or saving) behaviour all have an impact and social science is not an "exact" science, we have to do what we believe is right and adjust if there is any shortcoming surfaced.

[ 本帖最後由 Rubber 於 2008-10-13 11:29 編輯 ]

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原帖由 kcpw0n 於 2008-10-13 16:54 發表
有d人知d唔知d就大大聲要求學外國最低工資,
人家最低工資是和社福失業金掛勾保障嘅,
未攪好社福失業保障就強行最低工資,
咁將會是中年和低文化水平想就業一個惡夢,
工棍以最低工資借口為商家來一次大清洗行 ...

I have to inform you that your beloved commies in PRC also practice min wage policy...

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原帖由 moxfactor 於 2008-10-13 18:18 發表


in that case, is there equal "positive" effect on employment or inflation?  i see this as merely a play on words, propaganda if you will.  pay raise for minimum wagers will only promote the deteri ...

That is not mutually exclusive, increases in wages does not necessarily means lowering the profit.
The report findings included that there are more revenue generated in the premises by the more loyal and happy workers.
A more positive approach is one seeking for reduction in rent and other costs to offset the increase in wages.

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原帖由 毛球 於 2008-10-18 02:15 發表

泰林清盤13店全結業
(明報)10月17日 星期五 23:25

繼連鎖集團U-Right上周被清盤後，有62年歷史的泰林無線電行在金融海嘯下今日全線結業，影響260名員工 ...

I seriously doubt if anyone employed by Tai Lum was being paid the minimum wage.
Min wage is a two blade sword, if there are less employment or less establishment, rent will eventually trickles downwards ( painful process ) to a point where new business can start again.
If competitiveness is build solely by suppressing one side ( wages of the less fortunate )  and not the broader side ( land use, rent ), sooner or later, something bad will happen.
Intervene is sometimes a necessary evil.

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原帖由 毛球 於 2008-10-20 19:12 發表

泰林同最低工資當然冇關係, 佢只係經濟不景氣加管理不善的頭一批犧牲者.

香港一向最成功同寶貴既係經濟自由, 租金及薪酬水平主要由市場調節, 市場定律是靠供求平衡, 經濟不景租金及薪酬自然下調, 百業興旺租金及 ...

The high land price is a form of " pre-paid " TAX, in which every citizen have to paid it back eventually ( in rent which in turn as higher cost in dinner / goods ) to the land tycoons and govt.  No body can escape from this TAX.  I think HK Govt should try to lower the land cost.

There are always a significant amount of under-educated people in Hong Kong.
The govt should plan a way to absorb this work force and turn them into valuable assets.
Manufacturing is the way out to utilized this resources and create jobs.
It is very sad to see from 1997 onwards, the HKSAR govt did nothing to help small manufacturers in HONG KONG.

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原帖由 飛毛腿 於 2008-10-21 13:28 發表


好心你啦, 又老調重彈
2000年老懵董同當時房屋局長黃昇華已經不遺餘力賤賣土地
地價樓價大瀉
週街吉舖拉閘冇人租
當時全港市民生活有幾幸福呀 ?
一星期以內隔日必有人跳樓, 燒炭
賤地價, 賤樓價就幸福 ?  ...

You never understands.
The cost of rent is always the fixed cost.
The cost pay for the land will finally be absorbed by ALL citizens.
So in a sense it is a TAX collected by land tycoons for the GOVT from the citizen (pre-paid).
It is a mis-concept that Hong Kong TAX rate is low in this sense.

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原帖由 飛毛腿 於 2008-10-21 17:29 發表


舉例話九龍站上蓋擎天半島
有人買入一單位自住也好, 出租也好
我真唔知個地價關你乜事 ? 又關天水圍阿乜太何事 ?
點樣會無厘頭轉嫁落你地身上  ?  h:" />

南丫島, 長洲地平租平啦
裡面士多雜貨舖賣一斤米幾 ...

Of course I don't care about residential building.
I am focusing on land use that can create jobs.

In the TVB series about 1 year or half an year ago, documenting livelihood of elders in Hong Kong.
One episode is about people living in Kwun Tong.
There are shops in Kwun Tong that can manage to sell bread / buns at around $1 each, just because their rent is low.