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原帖由 blackdog 於 2008-4-15 14:57 發表
唉...
雄叔,等我教下你.
驅鬼呢種能力,係耶穌承諾賜俾所有信徒嘅權柄,只要有信心同奉耶穌名號就得,唔使特別有屬靈恩賜.
基督教講屬靈恩賜有九種:

林前十二：7 - 11   “聖靈顯在各人身上，是叫人得益處。這人蒙聖靈賜他智慧的言語，那人也蒙這位聖靈賜他知識的言語，又有一人蒙這位聖靈賜他信心，還有一人蒙這位聖靈賜他醫病的恩賜，又叫一人能行異能，又叫一人能作先知，又叫一人能辨別諸靈，又叫一人能說方言，又叫一人能翻方言。這一切都是這位聖靈所運行、隨己意分給各人的。”

其中冇將驅鬼當係聖靈恩賜,因為只要用信心及奉耶穌名,個個信徒都得.

如果阿雄叔學阿肥豬林咁樣,帶住十個八個教徒去驅鬼,你都可以出番本[雄叔驅鬼實錄],你冇料啫,唔緊要喎,十個當中有三、四個有料都夠照啦,掂硬呀

Not so sure you can draw a conclusion from something that is not written in 林前十二：7 - 11.  To claim that "耶穌承諾賜俾所有信徒嘅權柄,只要有信心同奉耶穌名號就得," you may have to find the related passages in order to qualify your argument.  From your argument, it seems like you are just claiming that with enough faith in God, you can do get rid of demons.  So, there is no other condition needed.  Can it be absolutely right?

If we test the case on Satan, can any believer who has faith in God overcome Satan's power?  I guess the answer is apparently "NO."  But why not?  Do we know whether there is any other demons that are very powerful so that some believers cannot overcome even though he/she has faith?  Can we be sure on all conditions?

My point is that your argument sounds biblical but is just TOO SIMPLE to really deal with an issue that requires more research and information.  If faith is the only factor in dealing with demons, why will it take a long time to get rid of demons?  Shouldn't it be a few seconds job because we have faith in God?

[ 本帖最後由 kimchee 於 2008-4-22 18:25 編輯 ]

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原帖由 saltiwet 於 2008-4-22 21:54 發表



想請問如何定義一個人鬼上身? 如果把一個有病的人當成鬼上身, 是不是迷信呢? 那麼跟喝神茶有什麼分別?

Regarding a plain definition of the term "demon possessed," it may be self explanatory-- someone possessed by demon.  I agree with you that sometimes it is difficult to tell their differences but I think we should treat the person as someone having a medical problem FIRST instead of a 'demon possessed' one.  It is just too dangerous for us to mis-judge a medical case, and the symptom of a 'demon possessed' case will emerge eventually.

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原帖由 西南風 於 2008-4-23 10:42 發表
子不語：怪，力，亂，神。         論語

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Coming to the forum section of " Philosophy & Religion 哲學宗教" and quoting "子不語：怪，力，亂，神" for your position of discussion

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原帖由 花之慶次 於 2008-5-7 22:56 發表



當然, 如果你信佢的話沒有人阻止你, 這是你的人權, 你的自由!!!
之不過姓林既書只能當娛樂, 而不能用專業知識(professional knowledge)來看他的書!!!!

If we are talking about 林以諾, then no one can say for himself concerning what kind of person he is.  However, if we are talking about 姓林既書, then we will have to deal with the matter based on facts and not 林以諾 himself.

Therefore, if we are talking about supernatural power or evil power, then the basic question is that on what bases we are going to discuss.  If we base on scientific evidence, then there will be no discussion because by definition, supernatural power is a subject which is already beyond scientific facts.

In order to avoid discussing an "apple" subject with "orange" criteria, we have to be clear about our subject and discussion criteria.  Without a common ground, it is difficult to discuss to find the truth and easy to get into personal attack.