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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-11 21:30 發表
today睇左,真係中左,醫生話係尖(由),原本以為一粒,原來有4粒咁多.
做左冷涷,抽埋血check愛之同林病,埋單16xx,仲有袋聖誕gift,就係藥膏同藥丸.
3日後有報告,2星期後覆診.希望無事啦,咁就可以過一個安樂私聖誕.
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Hi, I am new.

What Dr. Ho said to you is right, the recurrence of 尖疣 is slightly better than 扁平形濕疣 and 菜花形濕疣.  The location of your warts is another issue. Dr. Au told me the same thing. Remember, this is just slightly better, keep tracking.

I don't have any recurrence almost 10 weeks. Although it is too early to said anything, but anxiety, stress can't stop warts to recurr.  Trust Dr. Ho, he is the best I seen so far.  

P.S. Thanks Tony and other brothers for sharing valuable information for us.

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原帖由 Tony1 於 2007-12-12 01:11 發表
snghk
多人沒有問題,可以問.醫生安慰正常.

snghk

Tony is right, as you are new for this, ask whatever it is important for your health.  For those general questions, you don't have to consult Dr. Please read from page 1 of this forum 9or the old forum). Brothers shared a lot about diets, exercises, quit smoking... etc.

Don't project others negatives and positives to your situration. Every people have different heatlh conditions and immune system to fight the virus.

Enough Sleeping (since I confessed to my GF, I can sleep now)
I don't smoke at all (Important)
I still eat seafood (Seafood won't casue warts unless you are so sensitive to it)
I do exercise (until the wounds are recovered)

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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-13 13:34 發表
何生說頭2至6星期最易返發,之後就好少機會的.
咁如果返發,係咪都係舊個d位?定係會係第2d位置發出黎呢?

Recurrence means it come back on the same location. I have treated twice, Dr. Ho found one incubated wart at week 5 after the first treatment. For those he treated haven't come back so far.  So don't expect a single treatment will end, as you may have some incubated and grow for the coming months.

One advise, don't check your "little brother" so often as you may spread it around. Once a day is good enough. If you have an obvious spot, go to doctor and treat it. If not, watch and wait until your next visit to doctor.  You will learn more yourself which is a wart and which is'nt by seeing doctor. Again, trust Dr. Ho, he is very smart to identify warts.  I trusted him a lot, some little spot I though it is a wart but eventually it isn't. (another female specialist said it is too small)

Be patient, this is not the end of the world. think positive you are not the only one have warts.

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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-13 13:33 發表
我做左冷凍2日,而家個幾個位都係黑黑地,未甩,請問個d累既位幾耐先甩架?thx
另外,AAV-2
請多d上黎分享情況啦,而家好似好少人上來講野咁

Again, don't touch them a lot unless you apply the medications. It will peel off and from 7 to 14 days (my situation). It depends how large and deep is your wounds.  Just leave it.   

Believe it or not, my warts are NOT caused by sex (Not even from GF or EX-GF). But I found them after the FIRST visit to a NC sexual worker. I was drunk, stupid and regret what I did. The next day I found those warts and then remembered I've scratched my "ithcy spring pocket" 3 months ago (it nearly bleed). It is called "autoinoculation" No one can tell are those warts spread with my finger wart or from other Public area such as toilet seat. (Although it is rare to spread from a finger wart to gential area, but it is possible).  As I don't even went to Salty Massage before.  However, It is not important where and how I get those, as I've learned how to face it.

Thank God My Girl friend has forgiven me and stay with me. Lets say the chance of getting gential warts non-sexually is less than 1%, but having the COMPLETE forgiveness form your partner is even less. We know how to cherish each other than before.

So my friend, lets face this bravely together with other brothers here.

No more sex with sexual worker even when you are recovered. I found that my ONLY sexual experience with a sexual worker is awful. Her orgaism is so faked.

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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-13 17:33 發表

多謝師兄分享,不過想問咩係NC?
何醫生話我都係用左套不過都中左,因為個d位用左套都遮唔到.
我都好無奈,不過我都好後知後覺,我想我中左有成大半年先知.
事關呢幾個月我都好少出街

Night Club

If I don't visit Night Club that night, I will never notice I have gential warts. I though those warts can only transmitted sexually.  Doctor checked my GF and she has no visible symptoms.  I have 2 warts on the back of my scrotum, only scratching can reach those area.

Anyway, We have the same type of warts and the location is not that terrible, the only thing we can do now is stop the spreading and keep tracing any new warts. Get rid of it immediately.  

Maintain a good health, diets and minds. Let our immune system to supress the virus.

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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-13 17:51 發表

keep住做啦師兄
但我有個問題,到左老左,50,60歲個陣,身體一定差左,到時
咪發返晒出黎?

When you are 50-60, probably scientist found a way to kill the virus. It is a long way, but I believe the anti-virus era is coming by knowing more DNA genetic engineering. That's why I call myself AAV-2, a hopeful virus can kill HPV. Although it is still in laboratory stage, I think it will go to clinical trail for the next ten years.

TRE Enzyme is hope for AIDS, they are so close to kill HIV
AAV-2 virus is our hope, but now let's keep out faith

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原帖由 snghk 於 2007-12-13 18:17 發表
醫生都說我生的位置不算嚴重,係咪生係x頭,個d先嚴重?
如果個度要做冷凍,我想真係可能會幾痛.
無錯,希望快d出d野可以根治呢d病啦

Other Brothers may suffering in nasty area, so as you know your problem is not that serious and just focus our own. Hope the pain and recurrence will leave whoever has it.

The AAV-2 has proved to kill HPV or Cancer cell in 6 days in a Laboratory Condition.  The way to became a medical treatment is still too far.  i.e How to apply it to the infected cell. The next step would be animal testing. Anyway, I strongly believe there is way to cure HPV.

Gential Herpes is also very close for a way to cure, once we overcome AIDS, HSV would be the same.

Since the HPV vaccine has launched, investors and drugs companies may give less research funding in AAV-2 or other way to fight cancer caused by HPV. But the good news of AAV-2 is also a hope to cure other cancer such as Breast Cancer.  

Anyway don't too reply on my information above, just focus on our current situation.

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原帖由 stanleysex 於 2007-12-13 23:16 發表



其實我覺得好多兄弟而家同我既想法一樣, 好翻就已經好開心, 唔會再想話以後會有cancer或翻發, 最主要好多兄弟都勇敢去面對和重新健康生活, 多了關心愛自己身邊的家人和愛人, 令自己懂得咩叫健康既人同關心人 ...

Most gential warts won't develop to cancer, same as women.  We might have other cancers soon or later. Think positive, it is a chance for us to have a better diet and health to love the one you care.  

I know this is so called "mother is a woman"  But I have to say "No more chicks". I've asked doctors can gential warts transmit HIV? Most of them say no and some recons this is a week point to let the virus transmits. You may know some warts have cracks or micro cuts when the skin is dry. This happens in my finger wart. So I believe it could be an entrance for the HIV Virus to get in. Condom is useless in this way. Other virus can act as ahelper to triggers and recurs of gential warts.  

I am not trying to scare the shit for you, just want everyone to have a better life. Yes, we have warts, but it is treatable no matter it grow which part of your dick. 90% people can suppress it within 2 years.
Find a proper girl friend (you can find one in China and window her for three months) Enjoy the real Safe sex for the rest of your life.  

Stanley, don't give up, I think it just to a bit longer for your body to fight the virus. All the best

In case some of you haven't read this news and hope 賓州大學 can find a way to cure our賓州, again this is a long way to go, so be positive and keep a healthy mind and body.

美國研究人員發現，一種對人無害的普通病毒能夠殺死體內的癌細胞。研究人員說，這也許能成為治療癌症的一種新手段。

這種病毒名為“２型腺病毒伴隨病毒”（ＡＡＶ－２），８０％的人體內都攜帶這種病毒。該病毒不會致病，只有在其他病毒相助下才能夠進行自我複製，與此同時殺死細胞。
　
美國賓夕法尼亞州立醫學院的邁耶斯教授在美國病毒學學會的一次會議上介紹說，研究表明，感染了可導致宮頸癌的人類乳頭瘤病毒（ＨＰＶ）的婦女，如果同時感染ＡＡＶ－２病毒，其宮頸癌發病率明顯降低。

他和同事在研究中首先使一組人體細胞感染ＨＰＶ病毒，然後使這組細胞再感染ＡＡＶ－２病毒，並與只感染ＡＡＶ－２病毒的細胞進行對比分析。結果發現，感染ＨＰＶ病毒的人體細胞在６天後全部死亡，而只感染ＡＡＶ－２病毒的細胞沒有受到影響。

研究人員還對乳腺癌和前列腺癌細胞等重復上述實驗，並得出了同樣的結果。研究人員指出，這些癌症都屬於上皮細胞癌症。上皮細胞包括皮膚細胞和覆蓋器官內外的其他表層細胞。

邁耶斯教授認為，他們的研究結果表明，ＡＡＶ－２病毒能夠識別多種癌細胞並能殺死它們，同時對健康細胞不造成任何損害。將ＡＡＶ－２病毒用作抗癌基因載體將有很大潛力。

研究人員正在積極研究利用ＡＡＶ－２病毒作為載體向人體輸入治病基因。他們說，這種基因療法不會致病，也不會引起免疫系統反應。

〈曲俊雅/新華網〉

Basically, all registered 皮膚專科醫生 from Medical Council of Hong Kong can diagnose STD as they have six years 專科 training covered STD.  

But there are some 專科醫生 not that willing to see STD patient. At least you can see they more focusing on ladies facial and other skin problems.  I went to one doctor (in TST) he doesn't have a proper bed to diagnose. He charged me $780 ($500 + $280 Normal Moisturising Cream). In the mean time, his diagnose is very poor, never touched my "little brother" and watched it for 5 seconds. Don't expected he will check my anus. The worst thing is, he can't give me an answer what the spots I found are or at least whatelse should they be. He just say they are too small and could be anything which scare the shit of me.  I understand sometime the spots I found are too small for any doctors to say anything but I never expected a doctor can give you a cream he doesn't know what it is. I asked him to check them with vinega solution. He rejected and said it will hurt my dick.  

The next day, I went to Dr. Ho, he tested and explained in details to me why the spots I found aren't warts and asked me to relax and observe them. That is a good 皮膚醫生 should make the patient understand their condition. I am not saying he never make any mistake on his judgement, but a good doctor should give a clear answer what it might be.

The doctor in TST just can't diagnosed and confused me who asked to come back 2 weeks by given $280 non-harmful Moisturising Cream for no use)

And Dr. Ho and Dr. Au become my main Doctors and both of them are highly recommended. The diagnose of Dr. Au is also very delicated and also taking extra care of my other skin problems.

Besides, I heard those doctors came from Yau Ma Tei or from the government. I think they are also good doctors to diagnose STD.

梁志仁, 陳來源, 陳耀海, 周家源, 何家強, 陳錦添, 何文瀚, 鄭秀儀(女),麥錦霞(女), 王夢貞(女)

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原帖由 Tony1 於 2007-12-18 01:06 發表
DR.王夢貞不錯的.她上過無記的醫學節目,又有在雜誌解答皮膚科問題.

Dr. Ho said 麥錦霞醫生 worked in Yau Ma Tei for a long period, so I bought my girlfriend to see her. I can tell on her face that she doesn't believe my warts wasn't caused by sex and infected before my first affair. Also I told her that was the ONLY time with a sexual worker and she don't believe it either.  She kept asking my girlfriend to do blood test.  I kept reply to her it is not necessary. Thank God, she found nothing on my girlfriend and her PAP Smear test is normal.  

After that, I recon she is just a good doctor who wants to protect my girlfriend because men always tell lies.  No women include a female doctor will trust a man with warts and saying this is the only time. (but this is my situation)  Even it is more unbelievable that my warts were caused before the incident. Only Dr Ho trusted what I said.

That was my bad experience with a female doctor, Bring your other half to see Dr. Mak if necessary, she has a lot of experience in Yau Ma Tei and  studied a lot even has a diploma in Harvard University.

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原帖由 stanleysex 於 2007-12-19 00:55 發表

咁即係你女朋友有無做body check? 如果有幾錢同有無事?

Thanks Stanley

Dr. Mak checked to see if my GF has any visible wart and found nothing so far. Her PAP test is also normal.  (We have protected sex all the time)

She doesn't need any blood test because I only " go played " ONCE 11 weeks ago. We don't have any sex afterwards.  

I can't remember exactly how much Dr. Mak charged for test, but I remember Dr. Ho is much cheaper.

She is ok so far, never have an argument with me about the affair, tougher than me to face if she has HPV.  She understands I was too drunk.

I have a blood test on the 60 days, it all comes negative and will do another one with Dr. Ho next week.

Dr. Au told me the blood test must through a Doctor. There are rules that Medical Diagnostic Company shouldn't accept a client without Doctor's referal Letter.  So Dr. Au said the one I did from a X-ray Laboratory is not reliable even they said they are government approved.

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原帖由 Tony1 於 2007-12-18 22:48 發表
AAV-2
當然沒有人信.女醫生都是女人.男醫生很多都穿有色眼鏡.DR HO.這樣幾好.我之前看過一些醫生.他們非常不喜歡我們.

Tony, just want to say thank you for your long time sharing with brothers (especially to the new one)

How are you now?

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原帖由 小肥t 於 2007-12-20 16:32 發表
近期三星期又有一粒，又要探dr ho

小肥t: Your warts almost treated 6 months, should be the last episode.

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原帖由 小肥t 於 2007-12-21 02:39 發表

多位醫生意見是對男人而言冇分別
總之生在生殖器都是煩

小肥t is right

snghk: Don't stick with the type of wart, that is no meaning at all, maintain a good immune system to fight the virus is far more important.  Different people have different health condition to supress or even kill the virus.  Just Don't Compare

The fact is 90% people can suppress the virus within 2 years, it doesn't mean that it is curable, just our immune system has trained and memorised how to fight the virus.

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原帖由 小肥t 於 2007-12-20 23:26 發表
又問下大家
其實醫生疣冇得斷尾是因為d病毒潛伏冇得清
定還是沒有方法知道仲有冇潛伏?
因為我今日去左關懷xx做test
佢死到話﹕你冇得斷尾架，不過你樂觀d lo
!@#$%^$#&

No one can answer this question, you can read the argument from hpvfaq.com. There isn't a way for man to test or diagnose the exsistance of HPV(wart grow on the upper level on the skin). Some people infected with no symptoms at all.

What doctors told me the treatment we did can EITHER completely kill the Virus OR get rid of wart but the virus incubated inside the nerves.  Doctors don't know which could happen to us. I have two warts on my fingers, one treated 12 years ago and never come back (I guess the treatment has killed the virus completely) and the other big wart has been treated twice and still recurs.

Another doctor told me there is man 中風 for 10 years (no sex during the time) and preliminary (First time) found warts has grown when his body getting worst. 冇得斷尾 is the fact, accept it and we all need to accept this, 樂觀d can reduce the wart to come back, why not do so.  We can suppress the virus when we are young, healthy and 樂觀.  People are suffering, dying with cancer each day, so we are just having a skin decrease need sometime to control it.  Not having sex for a year or two is not the end of the world.

This is what I believe, when I become a 60 years old man, probably I can't have sex anymore OR there is a way to kill the virus.  

P.S. 糖尿病 can lower our immune system and make wart recur, I am a fat guy too, so let's do more excise and eat good food.

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原帖由 Tony1 於 2007-12-21 09:34 發表
小肥t
社會始終會這樣.關懷XX,油記等.有些DR安慰你.比心理醫生更令你安心.

小肥t
Try 香港XX病基金會 or Choice, the people are more professional (my experience) to answer my questions.  

Doctor 安慰你 is based on their experience and they do it very 理性.

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原帖由 suicide 於 2008-1-9 14:32 發表
PrintPro,  are you taking suppressive therapy now?  Last time I remember you said you only take pill when recurrence occurence because afraid of used to it.

PrintPro & Suicide

There are 3 to 4 new drugs has entered clinical trials for Herpes. I strongly believe there is a way to cure HSV.  Once the scientist overcomes HIV, Herpes would be the same. Just don't give up.

All the best!

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原帖由 小肥t 於 2008-1-8 18:59 發表
今日去到醫生度blood test都有d 猶豫同驚
但最後都做左
因為唔想俾呢種形住形住既感覺影響工作同生活.........

小肥t

My health check results are all negative, hope you are the same.  So the only thing bother me is warts, they haven't recur after treated.  Stress free is important, so be happy and don't let this ruling your life.

Best Wishes

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原帖由 Tony1 於 2008-1-15 23:10 發表
stanleysex AND BROTHER.
社工=關懷愛滋=社會人士=部份醫生=有色眼鏡.
去玩的人=男人=女人=球星=名星=富豪=社工.
沒有得醫,沒有錯,但不是事實全部.某中環名醫在報紙上說過,這些病可以控制,與使病永遠埋藏在身體 ...

Just share my experience, I 've been to Aids Foundation to test AIDS ONLY, I know they are not the right person to ask warts.  So I just ask them if a person have warts are they easier to get aids.  Different social worker have different answers. Then I more realized they are not the right people to answer questions out of their protocol booklet.

" 沒有得醫,沒有錯,但不是事實全部.某中環名醫在報紙上說過,這些病可以控制,與使病永遠埋藏在身體 "

I strongly agree what Tony said, I personally won't twist Doctor's interpretation or think a better answer to comfort myself. I understand that I must 理性地 to face what could possibly happen in the future.

A. 90% of people can suppress HPV within 2 years and it is a very scientifical data. Dr. Ho use three months to reach the safety line and Dr. Au say 1 year. I take both advises, and won't challenge or compare their opinions. If I don't trust them, why I have to ask them.  I always expecting an professional answer not an irrational answer I like to hear.  

B. Don't want to say it out, but it could happen. I never heard a doctor said they will never come back in definite. They say it not because they want to protect themselves. That is based on their experience and not counting how many people has replied on the forum. Time and a healthy life can stop the recurrence. We all know some brothers are wart free for more than tens years. So keep it up, it is never a long term problem.   
  
I always think different people have varies health condition to suppress or even kill the virus completely. Different people grow on different types or locations which may influence the recovery progress. Doctor told me some people smoked cigarettes for years and has damaged their immune system badly, while they quiz smoking and need some time to improve their health to fight the virus.  

What I am saying here is that I am a very very positive person to treat warts, but I also need a rational mind to live with it. Please accept my slightly different opinion about "Cure" and "Suppression" Hope WE all are warts free in the future.

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原帖由 小肥t 於 2008-1-25 11:59 發表
本人dr ho dr lau都睇過
各有各好
做法都是果幾樣，但講斷症經驗，dr lau好似早好多已經是專科
dr lau可能俾我感覺太講錢，但佢又不是亂叫你做化驗，只是好均真。但佢俾你感覺是好有經驗。
dr ho俾你感覺是支 ...

Thanks for the sharing

I've seen 4 specialists, still recon Dr. Ho is the best.

I chose him be my primary doctor not because his consultation fee is cheaper. I think his diagnose is much delicated.  Although he didn't gave me the full check each time but he explained very clear (sometime give me references) to me why those spots aren't warts. Not every doctor work this way and only reply they aren't.

Yes, Dr. Ho indeed gives me a very supportive feeling. But he is also quite responsible what he says at the same time.  His comment is very convincing and positive.  So I need a second opinion (Dr. Au) to balance and pick up what he missed. For instance, Dr Au is much delicated to follow-up my finger wart's wound.  Anyway, I trusted them both.  

From what you say, I believe Dr. Lau is also a good one. Once he is a good doctor and taking extra care for the patient, 均真 is not a bad thing at all.

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原帖由 whg 於 2008-1-25 14:26 發表


我會小心留意身體狀況喇 如果問題嚴重左, 都會去睇醫生.
查過一些資料, 知道呢隻病又係好似感冒咁, 要靠自身免疫力去殺死d病毒, 所以睇醫生都唔係萬能.
不過當然, 醫生有專業會知識可以幫你減輕病情.

...

My last opinion to you, we can't justify what is 嚴重 or not.  Doctors have seen so many cases each day and provide their professional advices to the patient. Both my doctors suggested me not to use 3M. This is because different people have different conditions to get rid of warts. I trusted the doctors as they said I don't need 3M as my type and locations are simply not serious. Using 3M will surely make my dick worst, it may burn the other part of my penis and spread the virus. I CAN'T judge it myself, but doctor can. However, some people do need 3M to help their recovery. We simply can't judge ourselves unless you are a doctor. We shouldn't share any comments about your condition.   

靠自身免疫力去殺死d病毒 is after a proper treatment from doctors.
睇醫生都唔係萬能, but they can give you the best way to recover.
Warts is nothing like 感冒, once you don't grab the best time for treatment, it may spread to worst area like penis tip.

About my incubated wart i mention, I don't realise it is a wart at all. Only a professional can spotted and treated when it was still a small growing one.
Otherwise it may take weeks to become a visable one.

Hope you should take our advises. Go to see a doctor. If you still keep the faith that you can heal warts with your own, think some brothers like me would never answer or reply to you. You are a DANGEROUS person to share as you only trust what the internet / forum.

I don't want to take any responsibility even in the forum. This forum doesn't work this way I believe. Every brothers must responsible what they say.  

Good Luck, hope 自身免疫力 can kill HIV, Cancer, CJD, Avian Flu............. one day

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原帖由 whg 於 2008-1-25 16:25 發表

Thank you for your reply so much.
I mostly agree with your opinions.
Anyway, I had already choose 3M and using it almost 3 weeks. Seems comming better now...
That is why I think to continuous.

Fine, then use it privately. Some CD-ROM read your case and may have a same thoughts with you. "Why should I have to see a doctor?" and just buy a box of 3M. It works on you doesn't mean it works for anyone.  Surely, I can't stop what people think and what they do. Every one should responsible what they say here.

If we sick, go to see a doctor, if the doctor isn't good change another one, it simple as that.

Nothing offensive to you, we are here to share our experience from what doctors told us, who is a good, encourage each other, but not given medical advises. We are not doctors.  

Wishing you ok

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原帖由 whg 於 2008-1-25 17:01 發表

Sorry for sharing my mind here. Agree that my thinking and my method may be wrong.
Anyway, hope every one recover from the warts soon

Just want you to recover sooner and get the best treatment.  Nothing more important than your health.

Best Wishes

Clinical Trial - alpha-2b Cream

Helix is in phase two trials (started last year 2007) for an interferon cream (same function as 3M I guess) used on vaginal or penis tissue that is expected to eradicate the visisble wart and non-visible virus.

http://www.helixbiopharma.com

Hope this replacement cream, which is a new, PAINLESS and convenient approach to the treatment of genital warts.  Again, this is what the medicine company say, they don't know if there is any side effect yet. But I really hope this cream will developed one day instead of using the horrible 3M (although I've never use 3M before).

P.S. Vaginal's Infection (female) is more trouble than men, and female can't use 3M often because of it's side effect. so they targeted women to test this cream.