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Thank you for the clues to trace the whereabout of the NKIL No 31.  Do you know where can we get access to these documents: Block Crown Lease and the Field Area Statement?  You know quite a lot about this, you should have worked in the government and in area concerning the sale of land.  Am I right?

Despite this, it is still certain that the castle like building and the Rennie's mills completed more or less  the same time.

1. Judging from the photo, we can find the two buildings existed at the same time.

2. The use of same kind of stones and masonry also suggests the clues.

Thank you for the detailed and expert information on finding the lots from the existing government departments.  

Attached is the sale of land for Rennie's mills in early 1905.  There are some interesting points which require your expert explanation:
1. Why there are different types of lots on the list ? Why these land not started with NKIL as they were in the new kowloon boundary since 1899 ?

2. The place name "Cheung Kwan O" has been in use  rather than "Junk Bay".  People always claimed that "Junk Bay" is the only English name during this time but this proves wrong.

3. There is a detailed measurement of the 4 directions. This is quite different from other land auction notices.

4. Do you think that the money for buying these lands is rather cheap as they are sold in one lot for 75 years and is renewable for another 75 years ?

5. The condition of sale is rather quite detailed and this is also quite a different practice from other land auction notices.

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Hi, Brother Dorothytiffany, quite impressed with the expert knowledge you displayed in explaining the questions I raised.  They help me a lot in understanding and uncovering the misty pictures of the Mau Wu castle-like structure and the story of the Rennie's Mills.  Many misunderstandings of the said premises could be clarified:

1. The year the Rennie's Mills came into existence and operated was at the end of 1906.  Many people claimed that it was in 1905 or even in 1904.
The evidence:
January 1905  --  the 7 lots for Rennie's mills put up for auction (mentioned in earlier posts)
November 1905  -- another farm lease lot no 2 adjacent to lot no 1 was put up for auction



The nature of such auction sale was perhaps as Brother Dorothytiffany said a "premature" one so it had contradicted with the 1899 treaty with the term of 99 years lease of NT to Britain.  The sale of 7 lots including different types of usage also implied that these lands were tailor made for some body who would invest on a big business good for the territory.  It is no wonder Brother Dorothytiffany doubted that the auction has really taken place or not.

The Nathan report 1905 to the Lord had the clues for this tailor-made arrangement.  It was said that the development of a flour mill in Junk Bay would help the prosperity of HK in solving the bad effects brought by the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905). HK was losing the benefits of entrepot trade.   Therefore the upset price for these lands was cheap as pointed by Brother Dorothytiffany's calculation.  



With high aspiration for this new industry in Hong Kong, Nathan always paid attention to its completion.  The 1906 report again revealed the near completion of the flour mills by the end of 1906.  



This was reiternated in the Public Works Department report in 1906 that the farm land lease lot was connected with the Rennie's mills. Its purpose was for rearing pigs to consume the millfeed - endproducts of flouring milling.



2. Rennie's Mills was demolished in 1934 rather than at a later date after the 2nd World War.  It was always  rumoured that the mills was used as a British defence point against the Japanese during WWII.  And the Japanese after occupying it during WWII also used it as  a defence post too.  This is rather ridiculous.  If the structure of the mills was demolished, it would become a flat land and nothing left for any defence purpose!  The following scraps from the HK Gazette prove it:

Buying the Rennie's mills back first in 1925:


Demolishing it in 1934:


Thank you  Brother Dorothytiffany in helping me to uncover the mysteries and clarifying some misunderstandings around the Tiu Keng Leng historical remains.  Also thanks due to Brother Ho and Brother Micheung for arousing my interest in the history of Tiu Keng Leng.  The mystery of NKIL no. 31 should be dealt with and would be my focus of research.  

Bother ¦Ë¶éBB, thanks for your knowledge in both civil engineering and land surveying.  The Mau Wu structure should not be understood as a real castle.  It was in fact just a castle-like structure.  Its purpose has been disucssed in earlier posts.

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Hi, Brother Tiutiu111, thanks for reading  the chat between us.  The forces behind me for digging into the stories of these places are:

1. Attracting more people to understand the correct history of these historical spots seems a  mission for me.  I don't like the misunderstandings around these spots spread everyday.

2. The Mau Wu castle-like structure and the story of Rennie's Mills are interesting to me as they can be touched and seen.  There are still many historical documents concerning Alfred Herbert Rennie that we can explore today.  The story is just 100 years away.  We can feel and touch it!

3. It is a wonderful feeling when  the misty picture of these places and people was unveiled in front of you.  It seems that Alfred Herbert Rennie and his fellow engineers and workers standing in front of you and looking at you,

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Tiutiu111, thanks for your views.

Thanks again for these supplements.

Therefore, there were many English names long existing in the past for the present Tseung Kwan O.  They were:
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2. Cheung Kwan O
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Thanks for the information about Ming Yuen.




Lo Ho, How's your journey to S. Africa ? I have never thought of  establishing business in such a far away place!

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Ways of success we can learn from Lo Ho:
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1. Ho is "man" first, he is smart, good at learning and observation, a born leader, strong ability in management, knew a lot about mechanical and mining industries and well prepared himself in these fields.
2. Friends and the opening of China are the "circumstances" Lo Ho made use of. Friends helped him to accumulate the necessary capitals. He could grab the good opportunity of the opening of China to develop his mechanical and mining equipment business in SA.
3. Knew to retire at the right moment to enjoy what he earned for the past 30 years!

Lo Ho, correct me if I am wrong.

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