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原帖由 peninsula 於 2008-9-22 22:13 發表

My friends liquidated all derivatives and strutured products positions with Goldmans, Morgan Stanley etc. at whatever prices/penalties/costs!h:" />

The Fed has just announced to allow Goldman Sachs & Morgan Stanley to become commercial banks, hence, can take deposits from depositors, as well as providing them with short term loans... these help recapitalising them, couples with the US government buying their toxic debts which now includes any type of debts (mbs,cc, autos etc), it is likely they will be saved from certain bankruptcies or mergers...

With a Fed like these, no bankers will fail...  
Those bankers are actually pulling the strings behind the scene.. the Fed is just a front for them for stealing citizens' wealth stealthily.. Every bailout plans announced so far favors the bankers only, nothing for the citizens... yet most people deludedly think that they are some white knights saving the system when in fact they are crooks and criminals that cause this crisis in the first place...

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080922/bank_change.html

[ 本帖最後由 hardcat 於 2008-9-23 17:38 編輯 ]

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原帖由 b4321 於 2008-9-23 11:21 發表
I am thinking private banks will start to fire bankers, as the bankers will have big problems to sell any ELN, structured notes, or bonds due to the uncertainty of the issurers and markets.

sorry for the confusion, i should have made it clearer.
actually my use of the word "bankers" here has a narrower interpretation to mean specifically those elites or banking entities (supremely wealthy) who are in control of the Fed and the financial system of the US... Not generically to mean any banking executives/officials employed by banks... in the latter case, it is obvious there will be cut on such bankers indeed..

It is those elite bankers (the former) that are in collusion with the Fed/US gov for looting citizens' wealth...  if the proposed "troubled asset buying program" by the Fed get approved as currently forumlated, this will be one of the most violent and blatant financial lootings ever done in history... those bankers will be bailout with potential profits in future (sell toxic debts high, re-buy low thru the asset repurchase program), and of course the citizens will bear the huge losses through many generations... it is likely the middle classes in the US will be wiped out by virtues of collapsing USD, and like i have said before, it is possible there will be riots in the US later, and expect the US gov to act violently for suppressing such uprising/riots... please welcome the upcoming US police state (especially if john mccain is elected)... 

IMO, this crisis is only in the initial stage, there will be more 'shock and awe' to come, what has happened so far is an appetizer... nothing 'fundamental' was solved so far, just a transfer of losses & debts from one collective party to another, the US financial system and the US citizens are still insolvent, actually the US gov is insolvent, too..

and pls see below:

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The FED began with approximately 300 people, or banks, that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - stock is not publicly traded), in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel, of wealth, beyond comparison (Reference 1, 14). The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17), in interest (usury), annually, and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress gave the FED the right to print money, (through the treasury), at no usury to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us, through banks, and charges usury on our currency. The FED also buys government debt, with money printed on a printing press, and charges, U.S. taxpayers, usury. Many Congressmen and Presidents say, this is fraud (Reference 1,2,3,5,17). (Note: References are listed on page 14 of this report.)
Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central Banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:
Rothschild Bank of London Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank of Berlin Lehman Brothers of New York
Lazard Brothers of Paris Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks Goldman, Sachs of New York
of Italy Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
(Reference 14, p.13, & Reference 12, p. 152)
These Bankers are connected to London Banking Houses, which, ultimately, control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America, they planned to control us, by controlling our banking system, with the profit, on the printing of our money, and our ever increasing debt. (Reference 4).
Instead of the Constitutional method of creating our money and putting it into circulation, we now have and entirely unconstitutional system. This has brought our country to the brink of disaster, as we shall see.
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[ 本帖最後由 hardcat 於 2008-9-23 21:44 編輯 ]

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原帖由 With a Fed like these, no bankers will fail...  
Those bankers are actually pulling the strings behind the scene.. the Fed is just a front for them for stealing citizens' wealth stealthily.. Every bailout plans announced so far favors the bankers only, nothing for the citizens... yet most people deludedly think that they are some white knights saving the system when in fact they are crooks and criminals that cause this crisis in the first place...  

Zeitgeist, The Movie, Final Edition CHINESE SUBTITLES

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2123692582509629611&hl=en


This documentary is very enlightenting and revealing about the current US political, financial, banking, military system, it talks about the US bankers starting at 1:14 .. you will know why bankers like morgan, GS will be immune from their deserved bankruptcy

[ 本帖最後由 hardcat 於 2008-10-6 13:38 編輯 ]