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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-6 12:37 發表
Hi I am considering joining China Gun Club

It won’t cost you too much $ when joining 猜拿根Club to become a member, however their monthly fee plus ammunition fee really killing your wallet, well...... unless you're really rich, good luck pal!

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and would like to know more information about Firearms owning issue in Hong Kong.

香港地要擁有真槍必須先加入一個政府認可射擊會，先決條件要你冇刑事同精神病記錄，再修讀課程同埋經常出席射槍練習，到一段時間後，該會班執委大人認為會員有能力安全操控槍械，先至推薦佢去考牌，假如合格就可以申請私人槍牌同買槍。

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is there Real firearms forum in Hong Kong?

I don't want to post the website here so please check on your PM, that is a local forum for advanced (IPSC) shooters, inside you can find some section talking about real firearms including pistol, shotgun and rifle.

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-6 23:47 發表
Hi "SIG" thanks for the information.

but it is more sort of international forum, , isn't there a local forum at all? I want to exchange more sort of shooting experience in Hong Kong , and to an certain extent make friends with some hobby as well.

Hi buddy, I just saw your other message on this same issue inside the civilian根ner…… forum, frankly spaeking it is hard to find pure *real guns ONLY* forum in HK, some threads that discussing about real firearms usually related to those *war-gamers* forum.

Anyway the link I sent you yesterday also have many local shooters login and discuss, perhaps you should give it a try. FYI, the moderator Vince Pinto of that site is located in HK.

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1.) I don think I will ever touch IPSC Open. <- which CGC offer best venue.
2.) I know I will be very into IPSC Production Division, considering buying a Glock , SIG ,or others depends which fit me better, from rental experience. <- CGC is still best for this.
4.) sport and target shooting with 9mm pistol, .22 rifle , non ipsc style,  <- HKRA is the best for this , I think.
HKRA - life membership around 80K HKD, it is more non -profit originated , but what they offer is sort of boring for me, from my understanding.

I have combined the answers for the above questions, please read from my personal point of view about Pros & Corns of joinning this diffferent gun club.

Besides Life Member you could join HKRA as ordinary member for around HK$3XXXX, and pay annual fee.

As a beginner, certainly you have to shoot in a boring way there, but once you became an advance shooter that is a chance to shoot PPC and go for an exam to be an IPSC shooter. As I know in recent yeras many HKRA members get IPSC qualified AFTER joining that club.

The thing is, their range is not approved by the Arms Licensing Office to be use for IPSC style shooting, so those members can only shoot this kind of action shooting in other range like overseas.....

In CGC you're free to draw pistol from your holster once you get IPSC qualified, and you could test fire more different brand and model of guns before making decision which one to buy, however their selling price is much more than buying from other arms dealers in HK, and friend of mine told me if a CGC member wants to get any firearm from outside, they will charge quite a high *document fee* in order to recommend the member for apply an licence!

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3.) I also love Clay shooting, I also love beautiful engraved shot gun <- HKGC has the best and only venue for this

Clay pigeon is very fun for me, but very expensive as well. I don think I will get into that until 10 years later. I also heard there is two good Clay pigeon  shooting ground in Zhuhai , 厚街國際飛碟射擊俱樂部, and Pinevilleyclub. Anyway, I heard, unless you really know the insider , it is very hard to join HKGC.

I do really enjoy shooting shotgun loaded with OO Buck shot or smaller shot shell, for clay shooting had tried several times sorry, it's not for me! I love combat shotguns but NOT Over & Under double barrel fully engraved one!

So I have no idea about the 厚街國際飛碟射擊俱樂部.

Unless you are the type of person who likes to drive a Porsche or Ferarri to Tai Mo Shan on Sunday, showing off your fancy EXPENSIVE Italian hand-made Over & Under shotgun, being a *talk gun* and BS instead of really shoot there, than I do suggest you join HKGC as a member.

FYI, besides money is the issue, it needs relation to join otherwise you'll be rejected from their committee!

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HKGC, the IPSC range is closed cuz of soil eruption

Ha ha, I was there in 2005, the heavy rain screw up the pistol range. As far as I know it has been re-constructed after 3 years and that might be a chance IPSC shooters can shoot in there again, so let's stay tune.....

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Now, CGC ammo is usually 1HKD more expensive then other GC per round. $4.5 HKD per 9mm .

Hell no, that is bloody HIGH price ammunition! I pay almost half of that for 9mm FMJ round, for HKD 4.5 I could even get some quality hollow point from other dealers.....

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6.)Deact gun, I don need to join a gun club for this, and I plan to buy a deact ZB26 and chinese Mauser ,zhong zhen shi rifle, in the near future. These two guns represent a very important of our history.

HK Government is getting tighter on deactivated guns in the past few years, more and more modification need to be done on the firearm for getting approved, some even said recently it is hard to get approved to obtain a deact 物先根 (e.g. ZB26) or 濕物先根 (e.g. MP5), don't know whether it is true, but mine one (pistol) was being modified before 1997 and don't have any problem at all.

I had shoot the ZB26 and Mauser M96 in mainland China, no special feeling about these two cause it is not my dream gun, moreover lots of the old 7.92X57mm WWII rounds for ZB26 misfired, it must be dead primer problem.

BTW, what is zhong zhen shi rifle you mentioned?

Anyway, I gotta go, already disclosed too much which I guess upset somebody, perhaps they'll send some hitman trying to terminate me.....

Cheers buddy!

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原帖由 saltiwet 於 2008-3-8 08:31 發表
見到你 signature 把 glock, 就想請問:  在二手槍店見到 glock 17 t , 同 glock 17 有什麼分別呢. t 是不是 stands for training 呢, 個店員都唔清楚, 只知道那批是警察9mm ...

Humm....... I have SIG and Glock pistol.

Though my nickname is "SIG", I did mention in the Sig and Glock talk forum, if I can have ONLY one gun in my entire life, it will be a 9mm Glock 17.

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在二手槍店見到 glock 17 t , 同 glock 17 有什麼分別呢. t 是不是 stands for training 呢, 個店員都唔清楚, 只知道那批是警察9mm舊槍 好多都好殘.

If the one you saw is in blue colour recevier, then it is a Glock17T.

You're right, G17T is designed for training purpose (force on force), it has two versions, both are based on pure "blow back" operattio, so there is no locking system on these pistols. Difference between the two is the caliber it use, one is for shooting 9mm FX (rubber/colour marking) ammo, and the other one is for 7.8X21mm air cartridge (Airmunnition).

Both model is restricted to sell to LEO (Law Enforcement Only), howcome the old surplus gun store in NZ able to sell those used one to the public??

BTW, see the Glock 17T(FX) pictute.

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原帖由 saltiwet 於 2008-3-8 20:58 發表
原來不是 firearm, 只可以射墨水彈. 子彈貴過真9mm子彈好多.

Right, FX round is much more than life ammo, and it is restricted to sell to LEO.

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-9 21:20 發表
some more ugly news

新聞耳目 : 警隊神槍手國際賽搞頂包

神 槍 手 名 銜 多 多 ， 除 了 本 身 是 新 鴻 基 地 產 高 層 ， 還 擔 當 輔 警 助 理 指 揮 ...

Read about this last year, btw, 楊 祖 賜 Edgar Young had been kicked out from the HKRA committee, and they even DQ his Range Officer qualified......

Hi nikilau,

It is your decision to join which shooting club, I had gave my personal comment about pros & corns before so no further information I could provide at this moment.

Certainly I am glad you had heard about the case about Phoenix and now China...... anyway what ever club you want to join, wish you enjoy this sport and wish you all the best!

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the regulation has gone to an extreme that it is killing the sport.

Oh, do you think ALO care about this, what I feel is seems less people playing such hobby and the ALO/HKLE has less trouble......

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Zhong zhen rifle is 中正步槍

I see I see, I have seen one deact rifle with Chinese marking before.

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I have seen someone who spent 20000 HKD on a airsoft IPSC custom gun, I feel a bit em...............

No comment at all but I had heard some of those guys said, for such investment they can keep the gun at home instead of inside the armoury like life firearms. Whatever, it is still a airsoft pistol that shoots BB pellets ONLY!

Well, I spent a bit more and I got my fully custom built 1911 .45ACP pistol~~

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-9 21:46 發表

for 22 rifle range, you best choice would be Hong Kong Rifle association. take a look at their web site and learn more about them.

Friend of mine (RA member) has a 22LR rifle, I'm not interesting to shoot it at all, for me a .223 Remington center fire rifle like SIG 551 or Steyr AUG is much more attractive.

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-10 23:55 發表


SIG 哥

每個人都會有唔熟識o既事物，請閣下千祈唔好講《哥》呢個字，咪大家研究研究囉！

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-10 23:55 發表
BTW, I come across with Macau IPSC club yesterday night, membership is only 500MOP/HKD and 200 monthly, very interesting . any brother here know anything about Macau Gun club?

In order to join any shooting club in Macau, one must match some of the following conditions:

1) No criminal record.
2) Able to pay the member and monthly fee.
3) He or she has to be a Macau resident!

BTW, some other issue about the Macau shooting stuff, please check your PM.

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原帖由 BenChek 於 2008-3-11 11:18 發表
I own one of this

and a Swing as well, at my overseas house.

I believe there is not a chance to fire my Swing in HK so just want to join a .22 rifle club and ship my Anschutz 2013 back here.

Nice Anschutz target rifle, expensive stuff!

Could you please tell me more about the captioned Swing rifle, is it a .308 caliber bolt action center fire from the attached link?

http://www.topcorp1.com/swing/swing.html

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-11 00:01 發表
越聼香港槍界D story, 就越火滾 , they are playing politics and not sport,

重有，聼說 你用8000HKD 同CGC 買支Glock 17 , 吾想玩時， 是不可轉售的， 要$0賣比CGC。。。。。

Ha ha ha~~ you're correct, people love to play politics, with NO exception even in the photographic circle......

Certainly theose EXPENSIVE gun you bought from CGC will be UNABLE to re-sell back to the club, it is still ABLE to transfer/re-sell to other arms licence holder even they are not in the same shooting club.

Some of my friends got it, no problem at all.

BTW, paying HK$8K for an affordable price Glock17 in CGC , well........ for such price one can easily buy a SIG P226 with few spare mags already from other dealers in HK!

Good luck buddy!

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原帖由 saltiwet 於 2008-3-15 11:26 發表



你講得冇錯, 槍舖條契弟呃q我, 果d藍色ge glock 係 made in japan, 整到殘殘地抄真 glock 17t. 佢老闆話, 除了 model 之外就不會在槍店買得到17t. 新 glock 17 要訂貨, 太約港幣六,七千元.

請問條契弟標價幾多賣支 Glock17 玩具槍呀？估唔到賣奇異果嘅人都咁衰格，BB豆玩具當真槍賣！

Glock17 你個便太貴，返黎香港買好過∼∼

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原帖由 BenChek 於 2008-3-13 12:24 發表
It fires 7.62X51 ammo.
Using some really good ammo like Norman Maxima you can achieve a muzzle velocity at Mach 3.

I can confidently shoot a figure-11 (man size) target over one mile with a reasonsable grouping.
But I dont believe there is any fullbore shooting range in HK to fire my Swing..... SIGH  

多謝 BenChek 兄賜教，小弟較少用 Norma 子弹，多數買 Winchester, PMC or Remington 。

97以前我地槍會可以租英軍羅湖或者大嶺靶埸打rifle，最遠只係 300M，回歸後就唔使旨意！

其實到現在，重有一個民間槍會個場可以打 full bore rifle，就係香港義勇軍運動射擊協會(Royal HK Regiment Shooting Association, formed and run by those retired HK Regiment members)，佢地個靶場位於邊境附近，叫做桌山靶場 (Table Hill Shooting Range)。

不過呢個槍會成班委員又係玩政治嘅 Talk Gun (not top gun!)人士，山頭主義行先，唔係自己友想加入都幾難！

再者，雖然個場可以射擊 full bore rifle，但最遠只能夠打 50Meter，係呀，BenChek 兄你冇睇錯，maximum shooting distant 距離係 50M，是關班大帝都係打手槍多！

你想像一下，full bore rifle 射擊個 50M target 感覺就十足要閣下去尖沙嘴厚福街裡面駕駛部法拉里或保時捷跑車一樣！

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-13 18:43 發表
原來SIG 也是影友， 正!!!
我最近玩正片負沖，set channel 出黑白， 好高contrast , 又吾貴

小弟家貧，只係用 35mm菲林SLR機。

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Thank you for your interest  in IPSCMACAU, here is the answer of you questions:   

1.) We can accept HK resident as member, but we cannot endorse him as a qualify shooter, for he/she is not Macau resident.  

Fair enough!

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2.)    All the firearm must keep in Police Station, purchase a firearm must have Macau ID.

As what I've expect......

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3.)     Most of Macau shooters is using .40/10mm, it cost Mop$3.8 for 1 round.

跟某 d 歐洲國家一樣，民間唔准使用擁有軍用口徑子彈 (e.g. Italy, where 9X19mm is illegal and they have to shoot 9X21mm)，所以澳門方面 .40/.45/.38 Super 較流行，1999 回歸後近年就唔同左，9X19mm is getting popular recently。

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5.)    you can buy from any  firearm dealer, if you don,t know the dealer, we can provide to you for free.

He he, Pxxx in Hung Hum......

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6.)     Of course you can resale your belonging.

That is indeed a reasonal answer as compare to C.......

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7.)     There,s only one Police shooting range in Coloane, we can use it in saturday(full day).

Never mind, that's a nice place to shoot, just remember to bring your own mosquito spray/defense patch!

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原帖由 nikilau 於 2008-3-14 02:46 發表
Where do those HKRA member practice and polish their IPSC skill when they don have an IPSC range?

因為場地限制，HKRA IPSC qualified 會員只能夠係靶場度練拔槍、換彈匣、立射轉跪射等嘅基本動作，想要跑動中射擊當然冇可能，估計佢地多數係屋企或者 BB gun IPSC 場練習卦？

其實，同奧運個類須要作極為精確(precise)射擊技術有所分別，IPSC 運動只要求射手可以於最短時間內準確(accuracte)擊中目標，除非你係職業選手，有各手槍、子彈或者射擊用品廠商 sponsor 嘅職業射手，否則對一個業餘 shooter 黎講，能夠掌握到各種基本技術，同埋可以應付臨場出現之各類狀況 (e.g. jam槍)，克服到心理壓力，就會得到唔錯成績。

以上係小弟經驗之談，多年來見過好多多我機會練槍嘅人因為落場時俾太大壓力自己，結果出事，將獎杯獎牌等讓左俾小弟。

我曾經回答呢個 forum 一位經常跑馬拉松嘅兄弟，IPSC shooting 係一種 mental game，physical practice 係重要但更重要係臨場心理狀態，呢點所有打職業賽嘅外國頂尖高手都認同。

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