With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for long... I've been silent for a long time... many many users support me banning them but I intend to wait to see if they can give us any good suggestions... instead, they just keep 單打 and 單打... this is not a healthy atmosphere...

I'm sad about this.  if you have any suggestions, just PM me.  I'm glad to resopnd.  but if any one continue to reply and 單打... I will ban him at once.  and my dear friend, Alfred, agree with my decision.

I accept suggestions, especially concrete suggestions, but not 單打.   Crticizing is very easy.  I saw an article complaing superman's clothes... it is easy for you to complain batman's clothes as well.  I can easily write such articles also... wearing red underwear... ugly?!  but what's your point?  What is your suggestion?  My suggestion is: give us concrete suggestions, but not 單打.

I have already given a very big notice that I hope all of you can discuss stuff peacefully.  Over 1 month.

The reason why I ban loksiu is that he speculate/guess someone doing something without concrete evidence.  And the fact is: loksiu say/speculate something without concrete evidence support.  Guessing (yes really guessing) that someone collects money for illegal behaviours.  He just 取笑.   Court did need concrete evidence.  I did need concrete evidence.  Until now, I still don't have this evidence.   I did know the law of any big country.  At least I do understand them.  That is 誹謗.  He is crazy.  If I suddenly laughed at you that I think you have collected money for writing an article in the forum, but without evidence, what do you think. 己所不欲，勿施於人.

I've already mentioned in the topic.  

1.  attack without concrete suggestions.  Ban...

2. negative emotion attack, even with suggestions, I will also ban.

3. My concrete suggestion is: be polite and voice out your opinions.  I'm open minded to listen.  Otherwise, if you shout and shout, even if you shout the right thing, I will shut it down.

哈哈！
好過癮呀！

這樣的決定實在令人失望！

單打，也可以說是討論技巧。不准單打，那是否日後要明刀明槍的指罵﹝例如一些版主在外間借在此寫東西之名作威作福﹞？但這樣又會有人說是人身攻擊。

另，兼聽則明。只是去聽某些會員版主的私下說話﹝我對於不停向大版主送pm的人沒好感，有唔高興公開post出來啦﹞，對討論區沒啥好處。

或許，真的是時候了

噢，等我俾啲concrete suggestions先：

(1) 除隱藏版外，取消或盡量減少唯版主或moderator可進入的區域。這樣可令普通會員知道討論區發生的事宜，或者可以減少誤會爭拗

(2) 禁止會員包括版主及moderator以pm形式向大版主投訴針對其他會員。因為既然認為投訴有理，為甚麼不可以公開講？以及，這樣對被投訴者更公平。

[ 本帖最後由 tungpo 於 2007-8-14 17:09 編輯 ]

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原帖由 趙應春_2007 於 2007-8-14 17:07 發表
小弟絕對贊同大版主大大之做法。子曰：治亂世，用重典；割包皮，拿較剪。大版主大大之包皮一日不割，終會惶惶終日，寢食不安。(此乃比喻，並非單打。)

小弟願為大版主大大手中之利剪，望大版主大大善加利用。: ...

你用既比喻好難聽同埋好差呀.....你都係小出聲為妙.....

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原帖由 xocatII 於 2007-8-14 15:21 發表
With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for lo ...

我是messenger!!!

請問我有單打你什麼呢?

答唔到就再BAN埋我吧!!!

蝙蝠俠, 你咁做有咩用呢, 怨氣仲重, 仲多單打選手, 諗過條橋啦

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原帖由 xocatII 於 2007-8-14 03:21 PM 發表
With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for lo ...

xocatII   你係咪黐九左線呀！！！

BAN  Q 晒我班 Fd  ！！！

咁唔好玩啦！！  不如一於摺九埋佢！！

你自己一個玩撚晒佢啦！！！

To Batman:

your suggestion / reason are too vague!!

i can't really accept what you have done to them!!

and i feel sorry for your action!

大版主如此一ban，結果引黎幾個藏頭露尾既分身出黎推水，唔知呢Ｄ又算唔算係『單打』呢？

concrete suggestions係：冇！

不如諗下計點樣消除呢度既怨氣先啦！

[ 本帖最後由 祖雲達斯 於 2007-8-15 00:33 編輯 ]

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原帖由 xocatII 於 2007-8-14 15:21 發表
With regard to about 10 users being banned, as they attack xocat in a lot of ways without giving concrete suggestions.  And this has been for over 6 months... Robin and I keep our eyes on it for lo ...

我作為小版主，就有話直說，講下我既睇法。
你地係XOCATII既權威領袖，有野要做，有話直說就得；唔需要講話有多user支持你，更加唔需要突然整條新規定出黎去ban人，你咁做會有損權威。
你地覺得有人攻擊XOCAT，理應挺身而出，去揾個問題出黎，而唔係keep silent for a long time！等到你地唔忍得，就加條新例出黎ban晒D”單打”你地既會員，咁做只會有更多會員對你既做法側目，更加解决唔到問題；悠悠眾口，你點ban得晒？至尊豪庭都發展到第九代啦。
對你地既管理手法”單單打打”係一件好正常既事；幫得你地手既版主/會員有野講，你地就愛理不理；D會員口痕叫你開個新區，你地又有效率冇考慮咁去回應(可以考究番”創業版”的成立)，攪到”創業版”變成免費廣告版；對分版小版主既任免，就更加係講彩數。淨係呢睇在一D幫得你地手既版主/會員眼中，又點會冇怨言？怨言積到咁上下，你地又愛理不理，咁就suggestion變”單打”。
更何況係呢班”單打”你地既會員，亦並唔係一開始就”單打”你地，佢地亦曾經卜心卜命去做小版主，幫你剷走D無聊垃圾帖，維持版面秩序，有部份仲要攪到連屋企人都比D野蠻會員問候；聽下睇下佢地有乜野講，比D正面既回應，佢地就係你地既好幫手，而家個個變晒頂心衫，你地又有冇諗過自已有份一手做成？
試諗下，炮艇工兵作為modeator，佢做既係為左平衡大版主們同會員們係”17歲私鐘打真軍”上既睇法，你連佢都ban埋，點服衆?
建議：
大版主們一個星期抽三日，每日兩個鐘，主動D去睇下回應下”版主專區”、”意見箱”同埋”版主/新版加設區”，有野跟進就跟進，冇野跟進咪吹下水；要有PM先考慮應唔應，同做紙版警察有乜分別?無為而治係好，但係唔係成日都行得通。

PS：羅賓、dear friend講既唔一定啱得晒；有時迷妖、小丑都有D意見聽得下！


我上面講既係版務意見，意見應該存在係意見箱，唔應該淨係靠PM交流。

同文將以PM形式，送呈大版主。

講得好!!

小弟支持anakin你呀!!!!!

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原帖由 anakin 於 2007-8-15 00:47 發表


我作為小版主，就有話直說，講下我既睇法。
你地係XOCATII既權威領袖，有野要做，有話直說就得；唔需要講話有多user支持你，更加唔需要突然整條新規定出黎去ban人，你咁做會有損權威。
你地覺得有人攻擊XOC ...

有質素的回應

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原帖由 祖雲達斯 於 2007-8-15 00:56 發表

有質素的回應

同意!

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原帖由 anakin 於 2007-8-15 00:47 發表


我作為小版主，就有話直說，講下我既睇法。
你地係XOCATII既權威領袖，有野要做，有話直說就得；唔需要講話有多user支持你，更加唔需要突然整條新規定出黎去ban人，你咁做會有損權威。
你地覺得有人攻擊XOC ...

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原帖由 anakin 於 2007-8-15 00:47 發表


我作為小版主，就有話直說，講下我既睇法。
你地係XOCATII既權威領袖，有野要做，有話直說就得；唔需要講話有多user支持你，更加唔需要突然整條新規定出黎去ban人，你咁做會有損權威。
你地覺得有人攻擊XOC ...

講得好
直接批評(唔係單打)
言之有物(有証有據)
有用建議 (有建設性)
我很贊同