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I have to inform you that your beloved commies in PRC also practice min wage policy...
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Some reports about the effect of minimum wage ordinance :
In UK and USA, the findings have been
1/  There has " no measurable adverse effect on employment or inflation."
2/  No obvious incentive fo ...
in that case, is there equal "positive" effect on employment or inflation?  i see this as merely a play on words, propaganda if you will.  pay raise for minimum wagers will only promote the deterioration of incentive to work harder, and not the other way around.  as someone else have mentioned, minimum wage should be related to the amount of social benefits and welfare of the community we live in(aka HK), however, HK workers and business owners' ethics are vastly different than North America or even the UK, and we cannot use the same standards as they do.  It's difficult to determine what should or should not be done in Hong Kong to improve living standards for minimum wagers, but some people here blindly expecting minimum wages to raise because other countries do is merely selfish thinking, and no different than the bosses they work for.  If someone spends as much time whining here as they do working, perhaps they won't be a part of the minimum wager's group.  It's too bad there are so many biased viewpoints from the likes of Ho Ting, who can't accept any other's viewpoints but his own.

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in that case, is there equal "positive" effect on employment or inflation?  i see this as merely a play on words, propaganda if you will.  pay raise for minimum wagers will only promote the deteri ...
That is not mutually exclusive, increases in wages does not necessarily means lowering the profit.
The report findings included that there are more revenue generated in the premises by the more loyal and happy workers.
A more positive approach is one seeking for reduction in rent and other costs to offset the increase in wages.
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I have to inform you that your beloved commies in PRC also practice min wage policy...
So now people are better off!

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in that case, is there equal "positive" effect on employment or inflation?  i see this as merely a play on words, propaganda if you will.  pay raise for minimum wagers will only promote the deteri ...
Yes, happy and more productive.

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It means wages system are forced to reform.


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Yes, happy and more productive.
But loyalty and happiness are not easy to measure.
It seems they are luxury to many owners of SME

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But loyalty and happiness are not easy to measure.
It seems they are luxury to many owners of SME
Yes, very subjective indeed.

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in that case, is there equal "positive" effect on employment or inflation?  i see this as merely a play on words, propaganda if you will.  pay raise for minimum wagers will only promote the deteri ...
Mox, I am sure you're well aware of the fact that almost all nations across the globe place economy as their top priorities.  

Economic used to be simpler, how we compete for limited resources, supply, demand, markets. It's an competition game.  The thing with this game is that the winner will do pretty well, but the weak, unwanted, will get eliminated.  They have a system for this game; it's called "Free Market". Do you still carry a cassette walker around? Well, it's pretty close to be eliminated.  Likewise for the cassette industry, and the work force that specialize in it.

We are never borne equal; some are always faster, smarter, work harder, mouth with a silver spoon.  Again, they will do well.  But for the folks at the other end, this competition game, this system of free market, how this economy works just doesn't add up.  It's beyond right or wrong, it's about the nations' stability and viability.  Governments have the power to redistribute wealth, to balance out the equation of this game.  And there will be trade off, consequences.  Thus, how are we going to do this?

Mandatory minimum wages is neither entirely good nor bad.  It's a mean, a tool, a measure.  And there is time we would need to use this tool.  We all build our nations based on competition, and we will be distorting the system to a different model as the government step in.  That's why, hopefully, someone who knows what he/she is talking about could answer for Hong Kong.

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That's not to do with wage policies.

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Mandatory minimum wages is neither entirely good nor bad.  It's a mean,a tool, a measure.  And there is time we would need to use thistool.  We all build our nations based on competition, and we will bedistorting the system to a different model as the government stepin.  That's why, hopefully, someone who knows what he/she is talkingabout could answer for Hong Kong.
i disagree.  mandatory minimum wages in HK i don't believe will be a good thing.  it might work elsewhere, but unless with other steps involved, including social benefits and more income tax.  so many others on this post only see higher income = better productivity leading to better general economy.  sorry, but that's not so simple, and especially not in Hong Kong where everything is as you say, competitive.  minimum wage will only force companies to cut down employees with less future on a guess.  it will make other employees less efficient because there is less incentive to work harder, because mandatory minimum wage is only for the bottom of the barrel.  it will also force many older and handicapped people into early retirement because companies will refuse to hire them because hiring someone younger will be the same price.  we're talking older as in 45 being replaced by a 25 yr old.  not even getting to the 60+.  unless the social groundwork is rebuilt to fit more western civilization work ethics, including social education, there is no way this will work for the better in Hong Kong.  if this passes, it will cause chaos in the overall workforce in Hong Kong.  i don't believe it will never work in Hong Kong, just that now is too early because there's no foundation for this.  so unless the ulterior motive is to drive away all the mainlander immigrants and force older people to live off social welfare, there is no justification to the overall economics of Hong Kong to establish a mandatory minimum wage.

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That's not to do with wage policies.
But it is not the right time to set the min wage policies.
It is the time how to tackle the downturn economy for both employer and employee.

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