Hi 各位兄弟, 我又係做會計�� !  有冇前途, 都好講運氣. 在另一標題, 我已經講過, 不再重複. 但是在這一行打工而又要出頭的話, 你所付出的, 真係要比其他人多很多, 包括時間, 勞力, 腦力, 承擔, 等等, 有時重要忍辱負重.  

不過, 如果與其他文職比較, 尚算穩定. 還可以吧 !

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原帖由 jk123 於 2006-8-19 05:08 AM 發表
經常要update自己

重要 upgrade �� ... ! 考下專業試 la, 係就係辛苦D. 不過投資在自己身上, 點都係值得�� !

加油 ...  

Hi dejavu 和軍師,

很高興認識你們 !

係呀, 英文無論在考試或者工作上都很重要. 記得我中學的校長, 特別提倡背英文. 所以, 在中一至中五那五年��, 每週都有一堂背英文, 仲係由該位校長親自教的. 他的理論就是從input到output的過程中, 只要有一部份的資料可以留在memory, 以後不需要input都可以從memory output出來, 你就學到一些英文. 然後再從課文以外各種渠道累積起來, 你的英文就一定有所改進.

再講講很多年前考Chartered Secretaries 英文paper時, 要背卅多篇文去應考. 當時的要求是兩小時提供六段三百至五百字的回答, 有memo, 有report等格式.

現在最佳的渠道應該是各英文報章的社論和雜誌.  

另外軍師所提到的果條友, 可能佢唔係搏禁簡單, 這可能就是所謂determination la ...

幾時開始都唔會遲, 只係好好利用一下空閒的時間, 在這過程中, 或者會找到新的樂趣.

加油 ...

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原帖由 Mountain 於 2006-8-19 06:01 PM 發表
do not join accounting. work like a dog!

Mountain 兄,

所有打工仔甚至打工皇帝, 都係要做ge啦 ! 或者有時人地做ge�洇A睇唔見��.

現在的環境, 有份工比冇工做好好多. 當然, 有得選擇就更加好. 如果現職是accounting又希望自我提升, 可以讀讀書, 考考試,�奏f個degree, 做個chief accountant 或者financial controller, 到時你就爽 la ...

There is no free lunch. Start to invest in yourself, determine your goal and work towards it ...

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 07:01 AM 發表


雖然而家D人做audit 朝九晚十，冇哂私人時間，但往好處想，你地而家學緊野喎，而家你可以用三年時間學到五年既野，係咪都有得益呢。

不過我都唔明D firm要攪到D staff 咁。我地個簡單audit佢都收我十幾萬， ...

我都有同感 . 過去幾年舊公司都係用PWC, 佢班友真係好搏, 晚睌八九點都唔願走.  

PWC的partners就正哂 la, 有D咁搏的伙記. 不過有時又可能係D staff 搏表現 .

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原帖由 dejavu2003 於 2006-8-20 07:40 AM 發表


我地俾完十幾皮都冇service,重有兩星期tax deadline 佢老味 D partner 上星期重make 緊comment, 重propose緊audit adjustment, 份F/S重做到錯X哂，我通常唔理份statutory accounts, 以我咁隨便既人都隨手 ...

Dejavu 兄,

有時表面看到的事, 可能後面又有另外一個故事. 我提議你跟上司說說, 然後再採取適當的行動.點都只是公事, 就按公司規矩去辦事,無謂太personal.  

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原帖由 CHANGMAO 於 2006-8-21 11:08 發表


隱藏d盈利有乜用
想慳稅定係貶低公司價值?
其實都冇乜咁大不了

至叻嗰啲會連牌都唔要, 洗定八月十五, 咁幫老細食大茶飯Cap水走佬

長毛兄,

你真有見地. 替客戶慳稅, 全世界的public accounting firms or their affiliates都會做. 但唔係隱藏d盈利, 而係按每個國家的稅務法律, 在操作上適當地安排, 令到該公司的利潤, 稅局都唔能夠按法律去抽稅.

舉例, 有家在香港註冊的公司, 佢的產品是一些防衰老的精華素, 防曬濟等等. 所有交易在網上進行. 而網上操作的hub在星加坡.

香港的公司只有註冊地址, 冇寫字樓,冇職員, 所有該公司在香港的操作, 由一家小型的會計師樓承辦.

該公司在星加坡成立一家子公司全權負責該產品的銷售, 推廣和IT管理的工作並按月向香港母公司收管理費.營業地域真係可以說是全世界.

由於所有的銷售收入在香港入賬, 銷售的合約在星加坡完成, 所以其中所產生的盈利, 屬於海外營業, 按本港法律, 並不需要向特區政府納稅.

有時見到生意人跟稅局鬥法的案例, 真係拍案叫絕, 好�� ...

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-22 18:49 發表



But do they need to pay tax to Singapore? I mean profits tax

Hi brother Tummy,

You asked a good question. Yes, the subsidiary in Singapore will have to pay tax according to its assessable profits which come from its management-fee income and commission income on sales in its territory (Singapore) ...

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原帖由 Tummy 於 2006-8-23 20:26 發表


Brother Taurus, u a too humble
Ask a question is much more easier than give answer or solution
BTW, tks for your answer

Hi Brother Tummy,

Thank you for your compliment !

I started off working as a clerk in Inland Revenue Department, then as an audit trainee in a chartered accounting firm which was later affiliated with and changed its name as PricewaterhouseCoopers.

After about 3 years of audit training, I started my career in accounting field. Most of my experience which I regarded as valuable came from working with two international companies both of them were listed in New York Stock Exchange and engaged in chemical field. At the same time, my last employer was a state-owned company in Europe.

Therefore, I am pleased to share my experience with all brothers and sisters and exchange ideas / opinion with them. In fact, I may be benefitted during the course of these exchanges.

Please keep up our communication at your convenience.  

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ...

Hi brother wander,

Again, thank you for your compliment and cngratulation to you for having obtained an Advanced Diploma in Accounting from HKU SPACE after 5 years of hard work. I understand how hard it really is to attend evening classes after work.

Your advanced diploma should at least equate you as an undergraduate, if not a graduate. As I understand that audit and accounting field is now short of new comers, you may first try those reputable audit firms first because their labels can really give you credit when you want to join the commercial sector after you have worked for them for a few years.

If you are not lucky with them, you may turn to the second tier of these audit firms. But the starting salary may not be desirable by most of you, about $6,000 per month.

Please let us all know after you have gone through above and best wishes to your search for a desirable position in this field. Welcome aboard, wander ...

Hi brother wander,

It is good to see that you have got a piece of good advice from brother dejavu2003. Stay in touch !

Just treat your career in audit at the entry level as an apprenticeship and be prepared to accept a low salary.

As the so-called second tier of audit firms ranges from those just next to EY and PWC  to the very bottom, so nothing is impossible.

It may even be better for those brothers who are still working in this profession to give you a hint about the present range of salary as an audit trainee in the first year of employment.

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-25 07:53 發表



Thank you for brother Taurus and brother dejavu2003 's advice.

I'll start my job hunting and I hope to update my latest situation to you soon.

BTW, I joined ACCA in April 2004. I heard  ...

Hi brother wander,

Pleasant job hunting and let us know your good news soon ...

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-8-24 20:48 發表



Hello Mr. Taurus,

I'm new here but I'd be grateful if experts like you can give me advice.

I've been a sales co-ordinator in a Japanese company for 5 years. During
these 5 years I've a ...

Hi Brother Wander, your photo looks great. I hope the same is with your future.

Now that you've made your decision, better late than never. I'm sure you won't regret it afterwards.

On the other hand, have you ever thought of quitting everything but just focus on passing your ACCA professional examination first in coming November ?

If you can afford it, it's not a bad idea ... comparing the significance of a professional degree and the salary you might have lost on quitting your job for less than three months ...

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-9-3 06:56 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Initially I had wanted to quit my job after I've found a new one,
but my senior advised me to quit first, coz she could then
have time to recruite someone new and learn  ...

Hi Brother Wander,

It's good to hear from you early in the morning. You've been too kind to your senior and think about her first. I hope this will serve you well with a good reference letter from her.

I wonder if the sale coordinator's job which you've been doing concerns with receipt and execution of customers' orders, placing purchase orders with suppliers, following up shipments and LCs, issuance of invoices and lodgement of shipping documents to banks, etc. ?

We have a Chinese saying that "魚唔過塘唔會大��". Recently, our Financial Secretary emphasised that HK unemployment rate was 4.9% ( I don't remember la ! ). Local economy should be doing quite well.

But to find a job or to recruit an appropriate candidate is a different thing. It really has to depend on a lot of factors, one of which may be luck for the applicant and for the recruiting company as well to result in a successful match !

Brother Wander, it's now the time for you to pull yourself together and move forward ! Do it for yourself and try to think of yourself first from now on ...

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原帖由 wander 於 2006-9-3 13:28 發表

Hi Brother Taurus,

Basically you have correctly estimated my scope of duty.

But, in addition, I also serve as the interpretor between my Japanese / Korean
colleagues (who speak Japanese) ...

Hi Brother Wander,

I'm afraid that you have to stay long hours in the office and then have many parties afterwards.

It's good for you to make your decision to have a change in your life, your career ...

Work towards having your identity and a professional qualification. It's very important nowaday !

Don't worry, move forward towards your goal, brother ...

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原帖由 miura 於 2006-9-4 22:24 發表
what is the salary for "partner"?

I would like to know too !

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-6 17:21 發表

Don't study accounting! I fall into this trap for 20years!

Don't be so pessimistic, Brother Hjhjhj2004 !  

If you think positively, you have already had 20 years of stable job. Most of us work day in day out for our living. This is the fact of life.  

Since you have been in this profession for 20 years, you know the rules. Either you study for a degree in the profession or you find something interesting in life to enjoy.

Life is not all for making money and hard-work ! There are so many things in life for you to appreciate and enjoy. Spend more time with your loved ones, your family !

Best of luck !  

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-8 21:45 發表

Working, working, working... no time for family, no respect, nothing..

Dear Brother Hjhjhj2004,

At present, I am working on an audit assignment of a restaurant next to West Rail Station. The accountant there works from 9 am to 6 pm but has to stay late frequently for a 6-day week. She looks after preparation of daily cash and journal vouchers, attends to issues relating to human resouces including insurance claims,  income tax & MPF, arranges payment of wages to more than 100 employees and more than 80 recurrent suppliers every month, not mentioning the requirement of issuing checks and the general ledger is kept by typing in Chinese. On average, the monthly gross revenue amounts to $2 million. She earns about $10k a month.

Brother, please try to pay your attention away from the misery of your work and attend to other aspects of life that you find interesting, say, books and music.

If you indeed have problem in your work, I highly recommend to you to discuss with your superior because they will care especially in your condition of having worked for a long period of time with your company. It will be a headache to them to find somebody to fill your vacancy should you decide to leave.

Please speak to your close friend of all your anxiety and your problems in order to loose all the tension you now have at work.

Take care, brother !

Hi Brother Wander,

Congratulation !!!!!!!!  

Hope you like the job and the chance of being able to look into accounting systems of quite a number of companies across different industries.

Wish you the very best and please share with us any interesting issues in future ...

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-19 11:47 發表

This was just an example. Many are getting well paid and not too much O/T (like myself). You need to select the company carefully. If you are in audit or small local commercial firms etc., of cou ...

Yes, that's an example to show to Brother Hjhjhj2004 that there are many employees in the accounting profession receiving their rewards not commensurate with their efforts and output, having an office like a storeroom with minimum space just enough for them to get in and out.

They would like to have more choices if they can but .....

Life is too harsh and earnig a living is even harder. So, try to put aside all the pressure and misery at your work after office hours, learn to relax and find out other aspects in life that you may have interest and appreciate. All the very best to everybody .....

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-20 11:27 發表

Sure but many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!

Sure, Moderator,

There are always persons at the top and at the bottom of each industrial sector. There are different roles in the society to be taken by different classes of citizens.

We have seen from time to time brothers of this forum complaining their jobs in this field. Are we trying to communicate patiently with them, giving them encouragement and support or rather teasing them with your saying " I'm getting well paid and not too much O/T or many people I know have easy lifes working in finance/accounting field!"

What you have said is fact but does it help all those brothers ....

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原帖由 peninsula 於 2006-9-20 16:50 發表

My POINT is this applies to all jobs and profession, not just Finance/Accounting. Also, don't be too negative.

Hi Brother Peninsula,

You better go thru' past posts again and see who's negative ........

Many thanks to Brothers Dejavu2003 and Tummy for your impartiality, vision of righteousnes and willingness to speak up.  I salute to you !  

In fact, this is not what I expect to encounter a situation like this in this forum where we are supposed to share our experience with each other issues relating to our profession  and sometimes our grievances, too.

But life is full of surprises ! You are my surprises now ! A lot of thanks, again, brothers ...  

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原帖由 hjhjhj2004 於 2006-9-26 16:52 發表

When I have time, I will tell you my/our difficult working life here. As a victim, I want you all to get rid of it.

We look forward to hearing your story ! But in the meantime, please maintain a good balance between your working and family lives. Take care ...