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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-23 14:09 發表

筆老大，小弟愚見，一個醒的上司要整下屬一定唔會有空位俾佢走，反之，一個醒的下屬郤可玩謝上司，就算佢係老板運用legitimate power 炒我，我一樣可以set 局 unfair dismissal.

芋兄果然是玩office war高手, 深暗鬥爭技巧, 懂得採用Unfair Dismissal呢招, 醒!

呢味嘢阿筆我有實戰經驗可與大家分享。亦讓大家得知天下烏鴉一樣黑, 人鬼One Spring Colour。

我响呢間公司做咗兩年半, 我是唯一Chinaman, 至於外族只有另一差仔, 其他乃當地白鬼。我之quali冠絕全部門, 因我是整個部門唯一擁有該行業英國發出最高級之Diploma 及Chartered Member身份, 這方面連我老細都要眼紅我。

在那兩年半內, 我遲到早退不出五次, sick leave亦只兩天, 獲升級一次, 加人工三次, 屬最勤力、好打得果隻, 原本亦受器重。惟暗湧是人事複雜。老細個親大佬在外失業多時, 一入我哋部門並非低我一級, 而是跟我平起平坐。佢平時行行企企食飯幾味、遲到早退、識得溜乜都齊, 皇馬掛, 算啦! TMD瀉哂啲嘢落我度仲點我做嘢, 又有辱冇榮, 大家唔老黎實屬正常。

2000年中某天, 突接大信封, 公司made me redundant, 話因部門需要進行reorganisation, 而裁員只涉及我一人, 極之不尋常, 無奈亦要受辱執包袱。

惟阿筆雖是異族, 並非露露。好彩英國有完善勞工法及設有勞工法庭Labour Tribunal。加上深受毛毛席優良性格感染, 話乜鬼嘢與天鬥與地鬥其樂無窮咁話。恰我Chinaman? 冇咁易! 一於告佢! 告佢! 跟佢哋打埸波瀾壯闊嘅人鬼埋身肉搏民族戰! 使鬼揾律師咩, 等阿筆我自己親身赤膊上陣喇!

罪狀是芋兄慣用之Unfair dismissal, 冇遵循Last In First Out慣例。

原本我可選擇接受佢極之慷慨嘅£10,000 (見附和解書), 約十多萬港銀 settle個訴訟, 而那筆錢夠我換咗果部用了七年嘅Ford仔, 買部全新嘅嚟玩吓, 惟我志不在那區區十仟鎊, 誓要同佢哋對簿公堂, 想報仇玩番餐死佢哋, 獅子大個口, 還價要賠我£20,000及要讓我返工復位。我跟老妻講, 若果事成, 想以此貳拾仟鎊買過果部約十六仟鎊嘅Volkswagen, 剩番果四仟鎊要嚟回港一遊, 唉…..

欲知後事如何, 請聽下回分解。

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-24 09:03 發表


小弟未曾見過或品嚐過芋兄此飛彿, 請講解一下是何等素材而成好嗎?

從老兄之交際為人, 我有充份理由相信你所行之道路, 縱然偶有崎嶇, 一定還是比其他人易行, 請繼續用你一如既往用與人為善之方法 ...

Your Excellency, Good afternoon.

Parsnip 乃其中一種 root vegetable, 白色，形狀同carrot 一模一樣。如果再去 ASDA 幫你影張。香港M&S 間中有 parsnip chips 賣。

老大，人際關係固然重要，小弟的個案，尚有些更critical 的 success factors.Deliver,齋吹無貨交唔掂。loyal, 就算自己老細弱勢，一樣忠心，鮮明，無做風前柳。拚搏，好學......怕筆老大嫌我口水多，詳情on request.

奉上芋記孤獨餃子，請慢用。

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原帖由 dirtyoldman 於 2012-6-24 11:12 發表

芋兄孝子也，伯母有子若此該無憾了。

Dirtyoldman 兄，相信其他街坊一樣孝順，我只是百厭些

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-24 16:34 發表


芋兄果然是玩office war高手, 深暗鬥爭技巧, 懂得採用Unfair Dismissal呢招, 醒!

呢味嘢阿筆我有實戰經驗可與大家分享。亦讓大家得知天下烏鴉一樣黑, 人鬼One Spring Colour。

...

筆老大，熱切期待下集。真巧，呢度正要調整結構，會redundancy , 已交legal retainer 處理。Did you join any trade union ?

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-24 17:42 發表

Your Excellency, Good afternoon...拚搏，好學......怕筆老大嫌我口水多，詳情on request....

毋須獨嚼, 阿筆在地球另一邊一齊與老兄分享好了, 謝謝!

芋兄即管在此大鳴大放好了, 一如老兄辦公見到《大督》時!

又係果句, 我洗乾凈內、中、外耳恭聽!

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-24 17:49 發表



筆老大，熱切期待下集。真巧，呢度正要調整結構，會redundancy , 已交legal retainer 處理。Did you join any trade union ?

我07年幫佢地炒條sales, 充份感受到流程上多麻煩，trade union 多powerful

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-24 17:49 發表

筆老大，熱切期待下集。真巧，呢度正要調整結構，會redundancy , 已交legal retainer 處理。Did you join any trade union ?

No, I'd never joined any Trade Union in England. I'd done it on my own.

In fact, you don't need that bloody Trade Union at all.  

But one of the criteria you need to meet is working in that organization continuously for at least two years before they made you redundant, otherwise Labour Tribunal would not accept your case.

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-24 18:13 發表


No, I'd never joined any Trade Union in England. I'd done it on my own.

In fact, you don't need that bloody Trade Union at all.  

But one of the criteria you need to meet is ...

I see,
In my case, in every disciplinary interview, the concerned staff was allowed to bring along a member of the Trade Union as his witness. He hadn't done so but you coudn't imagin how tediou it was while preparing piles of documents justifying the dismissal. Worst of all, it spoiled my X'mas holidays.

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-24 18:39 發表

I see, In my case, in every disciplinary interview, the concerned staff was allowed to bring along a member of the Trade Union as his witness. He hadn't done so but you coudn't imagin how tedi ...

Sure mate, under the UK Employment/Labour Law, you’d allow your staff to be accompanied by a member of the relevant Trade Union, or his/her co-worker if no Trade Union is involved, in a Disciplinary Interview if he/she so desired.

However, if your staff has not got anybody accompanied him/her in the interview, to play safe, I’d suggest that you’d ask one of your staff, preferably of supervisory/managerial grade, to go with you in such an interview taking minutes or as a witness.

No, no one would like to conduct such kind of interview before the X’mas unless he’d like to ruin his lovely holidays ahead. I’d imagine how bad your situation was, it couldn’t be a happy meeting at all, and that’s why I really don’t want to be a manager or even a supervisor if I’d have a choice.

I’d like to work on my own with no staff under my supervision if at all possible, but there is no such kind of job in reality, what a pity!

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-24 22:24 發表


Sure mate, under the UK Employment/Labour Law, you’d allow your staff to be accompanied by a member of the relevant Trade Union, or his/her co-worker if no Trade Union is involved, in a Disciplin ...

Smart you, My Lord.

I was accompanied by the Director of Sales and HR Manager throughout the process. The staff's service with the company was terminated in mid December but he indicated that he would appeal to the Labour Tribunal right after X'mas. In preparation for this, I would need to guide the team in London to prepare those tedious paper works while I was spending my X'mas holidays with Madam & Junior Tarocake in Harbin. Actually, what really bothered me was not the justification but the legitimacy of my decision. I held a management position but was not an employee of the company ( quite complicated to expalin ). He would definitely challenge the company if this was brought to his knowledge during then. Anyway, it's over !
Unlike you My Lord, I always find it challenging to undertake disciplinary actions and am particularly interested in managing problem staff.
BTW, you deserve a piece of parsnip

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-25 00:54 發表
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Smart you, My Lord.

I was accompanied by the Director of Sales and HR Manager throughout the process. The staff's service with the company was terminated in mid December but he indicated that ...

Resend the pic

筆老大，你真係無見過呢Dparsnip? 我見聖誕前出好多用parsnip 做既菜，初時仲以為係時令菜，原來全年都有

必..必..必..必..傳呼中庸兄，
兄台幾拾秋無見，最近又忙些什麼投資？
我早前答應過兄台回港往機場途中兜去Nine Elm. Embassy Garden 個盤幫你睇睇。先
manage  your  expectation, 我周五回港當日中午有個飯局，班人從 Frankfurt 過來。如果準時到，無問題，按原計劃去幫你視察，假若班人遲到，就無計，要等下次。
再確認一次地址，1Ponton
Road , London
SW8 5BL, 對嗎？

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-25 00:58 發表

筆老大，你真係無見過呢Dparsnip? 我見聖誕前出好多用parsnip 做既菜，初時仲以為係時令菜，原來全年都有

多謝芋兄賜食!

真失禮, 芋兄此飛佛好坦白講小弟完全冇印象, 當然亦未嚐過, 但我應該見過, 只是我視之為炸薯條之類食物而已。  

我得承認我是一個好stubborn嘅人, 對任何新生事物, 尤其是未見過之食物會產生抗拒。當我入到鬼佬餐廳, 我已有我心中之飛佛, 即Fish & Chips, 加上炸薯條光瑩通透, 賣相比老兄此黄噙噙飛佛Parsnip好看, 我冇理由試佢, 係冇? 至於貌似carrot之原素材我响Supermarket一定有見過, 惟以不識不食原則, 故視而不見, 亦從來冇留意或有興趣去試。  

由此事可提醒我, 我絕不敢稱自己為英國通, 因我不知嘅英國嘢肯定比知的更多。英國話細話細, 揸車都揸死你, 剩係Greater London嚟講, 我曾由South London最南之我家Croydon去芋兄心儀North London 之Barnet隣鎮Enfield之Southgate揾friend, 唔塞車來回四粒鐘, 塞車要成五粒鐘。加上帝國雖沒落, 假假哋都還算有些少文化歴史, 以阿筆我只住了那區區十載而未能得知一切, 實屬可以理解。

By the way, 若老兄真個替中庸兄踩此隔山買牛盤, 不妨多影附近樓宇佈局, 我真的亦好想update吓哎吔祖家嘅樓市情況, 以備明年出擊跟兄去London大舉圈貨。

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原帖由 Tarocake 於 2012-6-24 17:54 發表
必..必..必..必..傳呼中庸兄，
兄台幾拾秋無見，最近又忙些什麼投資？
我早前答應過兄台回港往機場途中兜去Nine Elm. Embassy Garden 個盤幫你睇睇。先
manage  your  expectation, 我周五回港當日中午有個飯局， ...

Roger roger, 收到芋兄傳呼，當然第一時間蒲頭，首先非常多謝芋兄咁有心有力，兼且記憶超記群，實在令人拜服 。至於幾拾秋無見，皆因此幾星期正正中了芋兄及筆老大所言之 restructuring, redundancy, re....唔理佢re乜鬼，總之呢次俾人賣出重要幫佢講好說話

關於 Embassy Garden, 如芋兄有時間及順路去睇睇，當然感激不盡， ，日後有機會定必以美食答謝，若時間不就亦千萬不要勉强，因此盤要兩年之後才落成，而美大使館更要待2017年才完成。

地址方面，我只知道是在 Nine Elms, 最近之station 為 Vauxhall, 你提到之1 Ponton road 又不能確定 (照計應該係)，睇 bing map 又幾接近 :

http://hk.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=Nine%20Elms%20Lane%2C%20London%20SW8%205&q=Nine%20Elms%20Lane%2C%20London%20SW8%205&form=LMLTSN&cp=51.48429190131633~-0.13239225529501075&lvl=16&sty=r&encType=1

另從google - embassy garden 得有數link

http://www.embassygardens.hk/EmbassyGardens

http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-TW&source=hp&q=embassy+gardens+london&gbv=2&oq=embassy+&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_l=hp.3.1.0l10.2000.5187.0.8109.13.11.2.0.0.0.141.860.9j2.11.0...0.0.yDwk1Ft9RlM

芋兄日理萬機，乃萬金之體，切記切記不可勉强，因London你人生路不熟，且London 已今非昔比，請勿以身犯險，漆黑徧辟小路莫進，小弟只想証實此區及location ok 而已，先謝過！

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-25 01:59 發表


多謝芋兄賜食!

真失禮, 芋兄此飛佛好坦白講小弟完全冇印象, 當然亦未嚐過, 但我應該見過, 只是我視之為炸薯條之類食物而已。  

我得承認我是一個好stubborn嘅人, 對任何新生事物, 尤其是未 ...

筆老大出到聲，小弟馬上奉上最近收到之London 樓盤 update, 以便老大們以備明年出擊跟兄去London大舉圈貨

最近在香港文華都有幾個展覽，都幾多莘莘學子嘅老豆老母去, 一個盤叫 Blueprint, 約在 south bank the City and Canary Wharf 中間，另一個資料如下：

Ballymore is proud of introducing this new build waterside project to you.



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Prices for Suite from £145,000, 1 bed £185,000, 2 bed £245,000, 3 bed £310,000

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Pool, spa, gym, concierge, bar, restaurant, retail

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Walking distance to Hayes and Harlington train station

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Bond Street station (20 mins by Crossrail); Heathrow Airport (6 mins); Paddington Station (17
minutes by train)*

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Strong rental demand - 5 million business air-travellers live locally, 5,000 people employed at Heathrow Airport

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Crossrail station on doorstep

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On site management and rentals

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999 year lease

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Completion estimated October / November 2012



價錢以今日水準來看似合理，不過當我諗起方兄，筆老大說那些年 3 bedrooms 只是 90,000 磅，我就

大家好,昨天從雪梨回來,老骨頭快散了,
直飛9小時,去程睡不著,看了五部電影,吃兩餐
回程也看了三部電影,小睡一回.
以後長途真的不要找我,可是老婆又偏偏喜歡去遠,,,遠的.

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原帖由 chungyong 於 2012-6-25 14:11 發表


筆老大出到聲，小弟馬上奉上最近收到之London 樓盤 update, 以便老大們以備明年出擊跟兄去London大舉圈貨

最近在香港文華都有幾個展覽，...

非常感激中庸兄在公事極度繁忙中乃抽空過料俾小弟發達, 日後見面時, 芋兄、方兄、老哥你及一眾叔伯兄弟姊妹, 第一餐就讓我做東道好了!

老兄說《價錢以今日水準來看似合理》此話可圈可點, 亦可解讀成《價錢以明日水準來看似不合理》, 故務請小心, 横惦從表面看也不是甚麼好區, 否則何須千里迢迢來到地球這一邊做Road Show拉客? 不過睇吓亦無妨,見多識廣嘛!

澳洲面積是台灣215倍,人口2200萬,比台少100萬,
鈇路雪梨到伯斯,東西長4000公里,南北3000公里,
這幾天天氣真好,10-15度,天氣晴朗.
6/19晚上集合,領隊威哥,52歲老油條了,一團43人,還真是
大團,小費賺死他了,他一開始就說,澳洲入境可帶煙250支
兩人可帶三條,台灣買一條16.8澳幣,他在澳洲和我們收購
35元澳幣,賺一倍多.我買了三條,兩條被他收購,一條自己抽.
到雪梨出關已是6/20早上11點,先去吃中飯,

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原帖由 chungyong 於 2012-6-25 13:57 發表


至於幾拾秋無見，皆因此幾星期正正中了芋兄及筆老大所言之 restructuring, redundancy, re....唔理佢re乜鬼，總之呢次俾人賣出重要幫佢講好說話, ...

噢, 我知中庸兄想講之re…乃:

refuck(阿)sir OR refuck(mana)ger, isn’ t it?

6/20, 中餐一樓是VB賭場,二樓餐廳叫風味閣,
6菜一湯,港式風味,還不錯.
  中餐後去邦黛海灘Bondi Beach,天藍沙白,雖氣溫
只有15度,還是有很多人在沖浪,還有一些BAKINI小女生,
不過人不多,沒有看到養眼的,領隊叫我們一定要脫鞋走
到沙灘上,感受一下那冰涼細軟白沙,回來穿鞋只要輕輕一拍,
白沙絕不會沾腳.沙灘隔一條馬路,有許多咖啡廳,也是偷得
浮生半日閒的好所在.

Bondi Beach後,來到南岬公園,沿著景觀步道,
欣賞雪梨灣壯闊海景,領隊說.坐頭鯨上星期已經回游
到雪梨,已有一些賞鯨船了,我們遠看,在船附近有白色
水花,那就是鯨魚了,每20分鐘要上來呼吸一次.
  這區是高級住宅區,在小山丘上有各式別墅,很像New Zealand.
之後來到市中心,海德公園Hyde Park,是雪梨的綠化搖籃,
雖然沒有英國海德公園的肥皂箱文化,但高聳樹木所形成的
綠色隧道和典雅的嘖泉,是情侶約會的好地方,
旁邊是聖瑪利大教堂,可是今天沒開放,只能在外面拍照,
我們去新南威爾斯藝術中心,欣賞名畫,雕刻,各種藝術品.
晚餐是韓國烤肉火鍋,也不錯.

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原帖由 mtpen 於 2012-6-25 09:59 發表


多謝芋兄賜食!

真失禮, 芋兄此飛佛好坦白講小弟完全冇印象, 當然亦未嚐過, 但我應該見過, 只是我視之為炸薯條之類食物而已。  

我得承認我是一個好stubborn嘅人, 對任何新生事物, 尤其是未 ...

筆主任，我都係有一次ASDA 送2舊俾我試，跟住上引。老大請放心，這幾年好多property agent
d 頭 見我芋頭芋腦，十足十 Lu Lu ,不斷向我推介樓盤，只要老大差唔多時間要買，請告知，我只要一放風，包保將你變成蜜糖，agent 每日都圍住你

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原帖由 chungyong 於 2012-6-25 13:57 發表


Roger roger, 收到芋兄傳呼，當然第一時間蒲頭，首先非常多謝芋兄咁有心有力，兼且記憶超記群，實在令人拜服 。至於幾拾秋無見，皆因此幾星期正正中了芋兄及筆老大所言之 restructuring, redundancy, ...

中庸兄好，my pleasure, 小弟舉手之勞，不足掛牙齒。請放心，個地址應該係佢地 marketing suite 所在，我會叫條sales
帶過去。再唔掂，我個司機應該識找。你先忙你d. Re 乜，呢件事交俾我。

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原帖由 chungyong 於 2012-6-25 14:11 發表


筆老大出到聲，小弟馬上奉上最近收到之London 樓盤 update, 以便老大們以備明年出擊跟兄去London大舉圈貨

最近在香港文華都有幾個展覽，都幾多莘莘學子嘅老豆老母去, 一個盤叫 Blueprint, 約在 south  ...

中庸兄，請留意，我見下面介紹好似近Heathrow,唔似. South bank. 同 Canary wharf 中間